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About ayahuasca
    #19325560 - 12/25/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you just puke at the beginning? Do you sometimes not puke?

Where do you usually take ayahuasca?

How much mimosa do you usually use? how much harmine (95% hcl) would you recommend in conjunction with the mimosa?

What did your ayahuasca experience show you?

How often do you take ayahuasca? Some people here like to blast off daily so.....

Is the tolerance for ayahuasca the same as when smoking dmt? very short basically?

I'm going to order mimosa hostilis, some cappi, and harmine and store it away for the later on in life as well. I almost bought 200$ worth of coke compulsively the other day, but the guy wasnt home. Took LSD later that night and reflected a lot on myself and decided that was dumb and instead want to put some of that money into ayahuasca to help me with my compulsion and to experience a profound affect.

I am not looking for answers to the universe in an exterior sense , i'm looking for more about myself. What did you find?


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Everything]
    #19325725 - 12/25/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've taken it in ceremonial settings and almost always purge once per dose. The purge really kicks in the trip. As far as what you learn, that can vary... But it is often a lesson in "letting go". I don't think ayahuasca builds a huge tolerance but prepare to never fully come back if that's your intention

Anyways sorry I can't say much more on it as its fairly subjective... But I personally would never recommend it outside of ceremony. The ceremony is half the healing process and also a safe place to dive deep without doing anything dumb. I'm not a fan of moderate and low doses of aya because the body load is terrible. High doses are incredible difficult as well, but at least rewarding. But can also be dangerous for the inexperienced


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19326348 - 12/25/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not trying to take it recreationally. By ceremonial do you mean with a shaman? I'm going to be in my house, setup the area im going to be in carefully. You really think i'll do something dumb? I don't think I will. If i trip balls i just end up lying down and going into my head, thats what happens every time.

I also don't plan to do it a lot, maybe not more than once its just a lot of people smoke DMT daily so i was wondering if people do ayahuasca frequently, like maybe on a monthly basis?

What should i expect, i've done a good amount of DMT and have broken through, and i have taken syrian rue with muhrooms, and taken quarter ounce trips. is aya in that ball park?


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Everything]
    #19326994 - 12/25/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can only speak from my experiences which I did with a shaman. I consider myself fairly level headed while tripping, but ayahuasca completely broke me. The first time I didn't understand what was going on and became extremely irrational, suicidal, etc. the second time I had a better grip but still felt like the potential was there. Idk man it's a weird drug. It's hard to think "I'll just go inside my head" because it feels like my brains have spilled out on to the floor. There is no "my head" left. I am everything in that state. And while it's a beautiful concept at those levels it can imply some really fucked up stuff if that goes south.

As far as a comparison to DMT, I have done a good bit of DMT and broken through multiple times and my aya experiences make DMT look like a tea party. Just incomparably more intense. You can easily do it monthly tolerance wise. My shaman does it twice a week. Some do it more.

Anyways I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, I'm just saying that personally I would never take it outside ceremony. It is an absolutely powerful and useful substance, but unlike LSD or mushrooms I feel it needs higher guidance. Then again I've taken it mostly in extremely strong doses. I'm sure you could take a more r
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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19327902 - 12/26/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

According to this book 'Inner Paths to Outer Space' there's shamans in the Amazon that do it daily sometimes.


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19328524 - 12/26/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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According to this book 'Inner Paths to Outer Space' there's shamans in the Amazon that do it daily sometimes.




Yes that's true, but you're pretty much anchored to that lifestyle if you go down that path. I don't think it's suitable for most people as there isn't much turning back at that point

I believe there was this one in particular who took it regularly (I was told daily) for ten years. His name is Pablo amaringo and apparently his visions became permanent and he started painting them. Really beautiful artwork by the way. I'm not sure as to the validity of the details. There wasn't much info online. But one of my "guru" type friends had some books of his and told me this


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19328544 - 12/26/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Old shaman trick
Keep your tolerance up so when you take drugs with others, doesn't effect you
They do that with many drugs, mushrooms, etc.

Anyway

8-15 gm of root bark
50 gm or so of b caapi

You will not do it often... Promise... Don't worry about tolerance
I have not ever puked but many folks do...

It's like mescaline or mushrooms... In many ways.... Expect 11-14 hrs... Effects based in dose

Erowid and DMT-Nexus are good sources of info

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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: HarryL]
    #19328715 - 12/26/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Old shaman trick
Keep your tolerance up so when you take drugs with others, doesn't effect you





Only problem with that, DMT doesn't cause tolerance.

And Jackson, I believe that's one of the shamans the book was talking about.


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: HarryL]
    #19329765 - 12/26/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

HarryL said:
Old shaman trick
Keep your tolerance up so when you take drugs with others, doesn't effect you
They do that with many drugs, mushrooms, etc.

Anyway

8-15 gm of root bark
50 gm or so of b caapi

You will not do it often... Promise... Don't worry about tolerance
I have not ever puked but many folks do...

It's like mescaline or mushrooms... In many ways.... Expect 11-14 hrs... Effects based in dose

Erowid and DMT-Nexus are good sources of info

Peace




Yeah in the case of ayahuasca I don't think chemical tolerance is an issue. But I do think they are so mentally acclimated to the effects that it doesn't impair them as much. I know my shaman occassionally takes 3 weeks off and then reengages in ceremony


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19329899 - 12/26/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Took it in Amsterdam and in The Hague with the Santo Daime church. Was great for exploration, mind expansion, art, forgiveness and self'forgiveness, leaving shit behind. Highly recommended. I still come here to take it a few times a year, in fact I´m here now, I´m writing this from a ship floating in a harbor in Amsterdam :lol:

Last weekend some friends and I spent two days brewing, we boiled the stuff in 50+ liters of water, and over all those hours, evaporated and reduced it all to 1 liter. It hits like a million interdimensional space trains.

You don´t always vomit, for me it was about half the time or less. Depends how strong the brew is and how much you drink at once. You want to split it, taking a small portion (like say a shot glass) at a time, not big cups  all at once. More likely to keep it down that way. Have a bucket ready however, somewhere in range, and unobstructed path to a toilet, just in case :biggrin:


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Spacerific]
    #19331451 - 12/27/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome you guys, I just got some pure DMT, so i could do pharmausca. Still going to order the plants for the opportunity of a more traditional experience.


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Everything]
    #19331617 - 12/27/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Whichever path you choose, I hope you have an insightful journey. Aya is something I plan to work up to. Sounds incredible.


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Everything]
    #19334531 - 12/27/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you just puke at the beginning? Do you sometimes not puke? Real ayahuasca has made me puke every time. Anahuasca with rue and mhrb has never made me sick. I actually like the latter combination better. I found caapi to be pretty weird. It's definitely got a characteristic to it that is lacking with rue. Could be THH or something but it's quite odd, trippy, disorienting, etc., even on its own.

Where do you usually take ayahuasca? At home or at my friends lake house with short forays outside.

How much mimosa do you usually use? how much harmine (95% hcl) would you recommend in conjunction with the mimosa? I've had good results with as little as 6 grams of of rootbark but I prefer at least 12 grams if it's normal strength bark. I've had some bark that was way stronger than all other batches. Sometimes you just have to find out though the vendor I bought from mentioned that it was a great deal stronger after I bought it. I've never used pure harmala alks. 4 grams of rue tea seems to do the trick. I always roast half the seeds beforehand. I've read that it removes some of the nasties and might convert some harmine into harmaline.

What did your ayahuasca experience show you? Lots of pretty colors and patterns, Alex Grey looking stuff and a lot of weird faces, animals, etc. But what you were really asking about ... I was able to take a look at my life from the eyes of others and able to see the areas in which I was lacking and find clear ways to improve. I also imagined what the future would be like - space travel and stuff like that.

How often do you take ayahuasca? Some people here like to blast off daily so..... Once or twice a year. The last time I took some was Dec. 21, 2012. It's about time again. I did smike some DiMiTri yesterday though.

Is the tolerance for ayahuasca the same as when smoking dmt? very short basically? Tolerance? Not sure what you're asking here. I would never do it regularly enough to get a tolerance if that's what you're asking.


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: lurkmode]
    #19334711 - 12/27/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks dude, that was really helpful!


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Everything]
    #19334822 - 12/27/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've never had the urge to puke. I do aya in different places, at home, in nature (on an isolated beach in my case since there are no forests near me) or the best is with a group of people like the Santo Daime church. I don't use mimosa, I use chacruna. I hear the type of plant you use influences the experience, but I've only tried chacruna so far so I can't compare. I've been using caapi too, I wanna try with rue instead next time. I don't know what plants they use at the SD church but it tasted like chacruna and caapi to me. My experiences have shown me different things, kind of like the insights LSD provide but with ayahuasca its like theres a guiding force that makes you go where you need to go because it always ends with a strong sense of accomplishment.

I wanna start doing aya once a month but so far I've only done it 5 times over the course of a year. I think its a real good idea buying aya material instead of coke, I think you'll be real glad you did. Ayahuasca makes me do some hardcore introspection and deal with my inner demons, so if thats your goal, aya will give it to you.

EDIT: I don't think you'll do anything dumb if you're on your own. Besides accidentally pissing on the toilet seat at the SD church, I've never done anything stupid on aya, I've done it on my own once so far and it was fine. Be sure to start with a small dose, you can always drink more if its not enough but be advised the second cup can really turn up the heat. The first cup of aya I ever drank, I barely felt it, felt like a mild mushroom trip so I drank a second cup not expecting much and the effects took me by surprise. Rather than a gradual come up, I find that with aya theres a rapid (seconds) come up about an hour after drinking and thats when the effects are most intense. An hour after coming up, the effects start tapering off.

BTW if you're ordering plants, I recommend getting some rape'. Its a mapacho (wild tobacco) snuff used by various tribes in the Amazon, the best is the one made by the Yawanawa, don't get the stuff made by the Matses (they call it nu-nu). They both contain mapacho, but a different alkaline admixture plant and the second plant has a huge impact on the effects. Get someone to blow it into your nose at the end of the aya ceremony, its epic. You don't actually need someone to blow it into your nose, its just easier to get a lot of it dispersed in your nasal cavity if its blown in there. I wanna get one of those u-shaped tubes.


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: FrogWarrior]
    #19335574 - 12/28/13 04:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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EDIT: I don't think you'll do anything dumb if you're on your own.



I'd like to advise some care about this, last weekend I took some home brewed aya, I thought it wouldn't be anything impressive. Came up nice and slow, subtle, I was glad I was even getting anything. Then I felt like going to the bathroom and once I was in there, it hit me like a ton of bricks. Maybe the low light just pulled me into vision mode. I felt like my head was disintegrating above my forehead, splitting into hexagons, rays of light rippling out from me, it was basically like I had some hyperspace engine reactor straight in the middle of my skull.





This induced a sort of dizzy sensation, physically I slowed down to a crawl and couldn't handle both the overwhelming vision and the standing / taking a dump part. I felt like lying down horizontally, but I would have ended up on the cold bathroom floor for who knows how long (pants already down :lol:). At the same time I started getting the urge to vomit, and I figured I could have easily choked on my own vomit, had I been laying on my back, my awareness completely spaced out in some other dimension.

Turns out I came out of it just fine after a while, didn't bump any heads, nor vomit nor do anything weird at all, but there are several ways in which these things can go south if not careful. All the precautions of being severely drunk/stoned should still apply.

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BTW if you're ordering plants, I recommend getting some rape'. Its a mapacho (wild tobacco) snuff used by various tribes in the Amazon, the best is the one made by the Yawanawa, don't get the stuff made by the Matses (they call it nu-nu). They both contain mapacho, but a different alkaline admixture plant and the second plant has a huge impact on the effects. Get someone to blow it into your nose at the end of the aya ceremony, its epic. You don't actually need someone to blow it into your nose, its just easier to get a lot of it dispersed in your nasal cavity if its blown in there. I wanna get one of those u-shaped tubes.



I second this. I've had it done once after an aya ceremony, it really feels like a "reset" for your whole face, eyes and brain. Spent 10+ minutes just staring into this huge green plant :biggrin:

The guy had a nice insufflation device, it was a tube with a button. Put the mapacho at the end of the tube, press button hard, this would compress the air and shoot it all the way up into your very soul. Looked like part of a trumpet, just a tube and a button that compressed air under it. Very effective :thumbup:


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Spacerific]
    #19336012 - 12/28/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

@frogwarrior. It's not guaranteed you'll do anything stupid, but if you're going for a deep experience on any drug it is always a possibility and better safe than sorry. And I know a lot of people like to take ayahuasca fairly deep. If you're doing so a trip sitter/ceremony is pretty much a necessity. Joe Molly has told tales of smashing up his house, and I've heard it from others. I became extremely irrational and suicidal on my first trip. If you do a sufficient dose and can't let go it is very very hard to stay grounded. Even when revisiting it and knowing what I was in for it took a lot of energy to keep myself contained


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19337113 - 12/28/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thats insane, got a trip report available from your first aya trip Jackson?

I really won't smash up my house, promise guys. about 4 maybe 5 years ago i took 7 grams of shrooms at my house, the same place ill be ingesting ayahuasca.

The trip was probably one of the closest experiences to ayahuasca i can relate to, i had to lie down on my couch and just let the incredible mind fucking universe destroying experience happen.


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Everything]
    #19337364 - 12/28/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would second the advice of not taking it alone. Not only because of the sheer intensity, which you may have experienced with other substances. Rather because you can go through moments where you feel soooo bad physically that you're convinced you might physically die. In those moments, I've sometimes felt immensely grateful that I wasn't alone. I don't know how I would've made it through (although I fully realize I wouldn't have died).

I've been drinking aya in ceremonial settings for 10 years now, and the few times I tried it on my own, maybe because of those difficult experiences, I never went very deep. Being in a secure space with people who know how to handle situations really makes for profound and life-changing experiences, at least in my book.

As for what it does for you, that's entirely personal. For me, those ten years helped me come to terms with my personal and family history, changed my outlook on life, reality, the universe etc. like no other substance had before, and just overall gave me peace of mind, joy and enthusiasm. But it's been extremely hard work, sometimes to the point where I wondered why I was doing this to myself over and again. I learned about suffering and courage in the process too :smile:

And don't worry about tolerance, I would even say there's some reverse tolerance, in the short and in the long term. When you do it a few days in a row (6 has been the most for me), you need less and less every day. And people who make it a lifestyle also need less than first-timers.

However you do it, be respectful and be make sure your intention is clear and pure, and let her change you for the better.


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Re: About ayahuasca [Re: Aldous]
    #19337521 - 12/28/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I Purge about 2/3 of the time though I've gone overboard with the syrian rue/cappi. I just recently bought a digital scale so I couldn't tell you the ratios I use. I usually just do two handfuls of each <.<.

  I've had some very profound experiences. though the craziest things seem to happen when i'm brewing or right after I come down. One time I heard a big cat outside my kitchen window like a jaguar as I was stirring the pot. and another right as I has landed I hear a loud shriek like a pterodactyl or something...I've also accidentally shocked other members of the ayahuasca ceremony, don't know how but I'll suddenly shake and they'll feel a jolt.


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