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Programmers when high, thought process.
    #19325482 - 12/25/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I started playing with computers very young and learned many basic programming languages by my early teens (HTML, Java, QBASIC, VB6, Delphi, PHP, C#). Then recently in my mid-twenties I've started getting into mushrooms and MJ. Since then I've been thinking more deeply on cognition and the thought process itself. In myself I have noticed that my programming experience has in some ways "optimized" the way I think as in I feel my brain sometimes takes on problems like an if..else..then statement or select..case statement. Those are just examples and it's not like I see code flying by like some Matrix/Hackers type thing. But it's a general feeling of similarity with how it feels to program, as if the logic of programming gets applied to my daily thought process.

I'm really high so maybe this makes no sense, but if ya get what I'm getting at or have had similar thoughts then I'd love to hear about it.


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: TrippinTraveler]
    #19325506 - 12/25/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Started reading more into this. Google has some interesting information about it here: http://www.google.com/edu/computational-thinking/what-is-ct.html.

I guess this idea has been explored much more than I thought. But I don't know how much discussion there has been about the effects of psychedelics on computation thinking. That's when I started noticing I thought that way is once I did mushrooms.


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"The pain, so unexpected and undeserved had for some reason cleared away the cobwebs. I realized I didn't hate the cabinet door, I hated my life... My house, my family, my backyard, my power mower. Nothing would ever change; nothing new could ever be expected. It had to end, and it did. Now in the dark world where I dwell, ugly things, and surprising things, and sometimes little wondrous things, spill out in me constantly, and I can count on nothing." - Bob Arctor (A Scanner Darkly)

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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: TrippinTraveler]
    #19325508 - 12/25/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It makes perfect sense. Your brain is using that as a basis to simplify thoughts. It's just an extremely complex biological computer but I'm sure you know that. This is an interesting topic though. I would love to hear more. I'm not a programmer personally though.


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: TrippinTraveler]
    #19325529 - 12/25/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Micro dosing the mushrooms helped me with my programming skills, so I do believe you.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17281167#17281167

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Well I think micro dosing should not be underestimated. A micro dose used for the right purpose can be very noticeable. Never before was I interested in using any kind of drugs beside of the alcohol and Tobacco. Somehow I stumbled across Dr. Fadiman’s work on effects of micro dosing psychedelics. I have no connections so the one and only rational way to obtain such a substance was finding my own mushrooms.

Two days ago I tried my first ever psychedelic micro dose, it was 0.189g (one very big dried lib cap). Now days I work very late at my office, so I ingested this through lemon tek at 21:15 in my office. My intention was to see how it will affect my working ability and creativity. I did not expect any kind of visuals.

At about 21:45 I could notice that when I closed my eyes and leaned back in my office chair it felt soooo good. I was really relaxed, and I got mild closed eye visuals that I would describe as very mild northern lights like effect. The colors were shifting in waves from brown to sandy yellow, to orange and very bright yellow. This effect did not last too long, maybe 60 or 90 minutes.

The most interesting part began between midnight and one in the morning. I got such a motivation to finish writing a code for one of my projects. Anybody who is familiar with programming would agree that sometimes even if you have a clear idea what to do it can be tricky to put it down into the code. I ended up coding and actually finishing the program between 1:00-5:00 in the morning. It was really long time ago (if ever) I was writing such a clean code from scratch. Everything felt so natural and even if I was up since 10:00 previous day, I was full of energy.

So, in my experience micro dosing mushrooms in purpose to improve working ability was a success. Next time I will try 0.5g.




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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: Blind fool]
    #19325801 - 12/25/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have a programming habit, and I have those exact thoughts whilst tripping. Really, all we are is a huge series of if else statements written and re-written by our sensory experiences. If we feel pain, it discourages us from doing that same thing over again, but we can feel much worse pain for something else giving us a pain value or int pain :smile:

So our basic thought process could really be broken down to a

if (pain >= situation)
{
avoid
}

etc etc

Our emotions could really just be further examples of variables in our thought process. If something makes us happy, it gives us a reason to attain said thing.


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: Starskii]
    #19325813 - 12/25/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ya your feeling me. I've often pictured functions and algorithms and such for my emotions and abilities. Like there is a operating system of my mind.


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: TrippinTraveler]
    #19325989 - 12/25/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cannabis allows me to sleep way better and think more clearly over time, when I'm in a period of time when I'm smoking it.

Then again when I avoid sugar and most fats, that seems to increase my mental clarity just as well


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19328211 - 12/26/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i got my first computer when i was 9ish. heavy allround use since then, but mostly mid-90's recording software, video editing and waveforms stuff.
i did code for my websites in the past. i do not see codes. the if and 'select' thing occurs to me too in some way.

what i saw on 5,3g psilocybe cambodian half a year ago.... (2 beers and lemon haze additionally)  for good 2-3 minutes with closed eyes:


it felt like coming from the forehead or so. every emotion, action, movement, thought in my mind was displayed, labeled and...executed? with a very high (alien-like) quality. very thin and flexible rings.  The upper ring kept rotating to my movements like a compass.

Imagine the lower needle always turning around left and right, oscillating to the dynamics and wishes of the mind. mostly in the green area, often in the middle. then the lower needle knocks on the upper ring which means "action!" for specific labels of the upper ring. (multiple) actions were lined together by mind and sent somewhere up there. like those old arcanoid space bullets flying forward very quick. and yes, the blackness and shapes around are there too haha.

i don't drive cars, i don't look at speedometers.
fucking hard to describe :stoned: did anyone encounter something like this? ought to be a new thread somewhere but yeah...


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: Spacepod]
    #19330566 - 12/26/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm currently majoring in Computer Science, about to graduate actually.

I can honestly say that blazing, whether it be bud or concentrates, completely renders my programming skills useless.

Obviously Adderall improves my performance greatly (only taken on occasion).

Haven't tried shrooms while programming, but I'm interested in trying a low dose (0.5g-1g) and seeing how that will effect me.


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: biscoHead]
    #19330626 - 12/26/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm majoring in computer science and I notice that when I trip I take a highly analytic approach to the entire atmosphere. So much so that I tend to get overwhelmed by it (usually with euphoria).

My engineering friends do it to. That's about it.


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: biscoHead]
    #19331446 - 12/27/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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biscoHead said:
I can honestly say that blazing, whether it be bud or concentrates, completely renders my programming skills useless.





+1

My ability to design and develop and software is non-existent while stoned. It's like cannabis disables that part of my brain while stimulating another part.


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: Dawks]
    #19331521 - 12/27/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

One negative thing weed does to me is makes short term memory of events, to shat. Other than that, my mind is cleared up


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: biscoHead]
    #19331594 - 12/27/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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biscoHead said:
I'm currently majoring in Computer Science, about to graduate actually.

I can honestly say that blazing, whether it be bud or concentrates, completely renders my programming skills useless.

Obviously Adderall improves my performance greatly (only taken on occasion).

Haven't tried shrooms while programming, but I'm interested in trying a low dose (0.5g-1g) and seeing how that will effect me.




I definitively recommend you to try it! Low dose of shrooms did wonders for my coding skills, see my post higher up.:wink:

EDIT: The dose should be low enough that you at maximum get slight visuals.


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: Blind fool]
    #19331756 - 12/27/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

for me, a programmer since 1980, (computer vision, animation, communication, telemetry, media, mobile etc.)
it helps if I have reached a block, it changes the  landscape, and I find new ways of approach,
but it does not help to be stoned when coding on a day to day basis. too confining.

as for computational thinking, My take on that is that while we are capable of emulating computers and performing logic by example, our natural thought process is all about association (what happened with what, and what happened next or before that) and it is this associative process that lets us learn the way to do things (including logic) and helps us expect what comes next.

Even pattern recognition and abstraction is largely associative, with some biological helpers:
Edge detection in cortex,
Interval and rhythm services in the cerebellum,
Persistence of fading signals via serotonin production,
Attention to matters of interest by frontal cortex signal tracking from mid and hind brain.
Decision factoring by aggregate association (consensus).
And then comes all the things we have learned, language, rules, socialization, etiquette, logic, sexual intrigue etc. all as associative sequences that become automatic after repetition.


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Re: Programmers when high, thought process. [Re: biscoHead]
    #19334740 - 12/27/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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biscoHead said:
I can honestly say that blazing, whether it be bud or concentrates, completely renders my programming skills useless.





I've got to say that when it comes to bud this is completely true although I can't say about when tripping. I'd imagine it would be the same or worse while tripping. But I guess that all depends on your mindset(for trippin at least). If you can code while stoned then you're doing better than me at least...


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