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gman7104

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Whats so good about LC's?
#19324152 - 12/25/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive never tried one but I don't understand whats so convenient about an LC. The process seems more complex than a simple g2g and more likely to contaminate. Plus you can't even tell if its contaminated or not until you knock up the jars.
Seems like its way easier to just knock em up with spores and then lysol my bathroom and quickly do the transfers.
I see how LCs can be beneficial especially when you have little spores, but why are they a basic staple in mycology?
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PussyFart
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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: gman7104]
#19324159 - 12/25/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because noobs are attracted to them.
It makes me a sad panda.
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Re: Whats so good about LC's? *DELETED* [Re: gman7104]
#19324165 - 12/25/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr



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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: gman7104]
#19324170 - 12/25/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There not a basic staple, build a sab instead of cleaning your bathroom those are for shitting in lol. And lc's are not that great from spores and should be started with agar. Cubes are just not the right species for lc's, I use them for pans and other exotics that don't take well to shakes and there great for edibles but aggresive hardy species like cubes gtg is boss
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Immortal Jellyfish said: LCs can be used to knock up spawn bags, thus skipping the entire process of grain spawning to manure...ect.
This makes no sense.
After you use the LC to inoculate your spawn you would still have to actually spawn it....regardless of the inoculation method.
Making an LC to knock up grain jars when you could have just used spores is a waste of time....all you are doing is adding time and risk of failur....just knock up the grain jars with spores and be done with it.
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Immortal Jellyfish said: LCs are very, very fast at colonizing substrate
Are you counting the time it took for the LC to colonize, along with the test jars?
Seems to me like just inoculating the grains with spores would save time and effort.
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blackwidow187
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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: gman7104]
#19324180 - 12/25/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know the bathroom is probably the worst place you could pick to do work with cultivation? So many germs and stuff...
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cronicr



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Immortal Jellyfish said: LCs are sketchy...but...
Look at Blue Helix's grows...very impressive.
LCs can be used to knock up spawn bags, thus skipping the entire process of grain spawning to manure...ect.
LCs are very, very fast at colonizing substrate
Blue helix hasn't been around in years and did that when lc's were in there prime but he started for the very reasons I listed above
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Re: Whats so good about LC's? *DELETED* [Re: PussyFart]
#19324200 - 12/25/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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PussyFart
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Going from agar to LC only to knock up grain jars is silly IMO.
You could have just used agar wedges to knock up multiple grain jars.
I can have 100 quart jars fully colonized and ready via agar wedge and G2G by the time your LC has colonized and been tested.
Just sayin.....I will never touch a needle again....agar and G2G FTW!
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cronicr



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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: PussyFart]
#19324226 - 12/25/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not knocking you or anything like I said helix did lcs because pans benifit from them and his mthods aer solid, its just for cubes.....Quote:
Notahacker420 said: Going from agar to LC only to knock up grain jars is silly IMO.
You could have just used agar wedges to knock up multiple grain jars.
I can have 100 quart jars fully colonized and ready via agar wedge and G2G by the time your LC has colonized and been tested.
Just sayin.....I will never touch a needle again....agar and G2G FTW!
I can't argue hackers points
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gman7104

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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: cronicr]
#19324230 - 12/25/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: There not a basic staple, build a sab instead of cleaning your bathroom those are for shitting in lol. And lc's are not that great from spores and should be started with agar. Cubes are just not the right species for lc's, I use them for pans and other exotics that don't take well to shakes and there great for edibles but aggresive hardy species like cubes gtg is boss
Thanks, that answered my question perfectly.
I may try that method to grow pans, ive never had success with them yet.
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Immortal Jellyfish



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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: cronicr]
#19324237 - 12/25/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I agree with hacker too. I was just voicing my opinion. No big deal
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cronicr



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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: gman7104]
#19324238 - 12/25/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yep 360 innoculations kick ass for pans
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gman7104

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blackwidow187 said: You know the bathroom is probably the worst place you could pick to do work with cultivation? So many germs and stuff...
I don't really think a bathroom is as dirty as people think. First of all mine is cleaned regularly but a doorknob has more bacteria than a toilet seat.
It dosen't really matter because I lysol every surface and then the air, and I leave the door closed until the lysol settles before I begin my work.
I only use my bathroom because it's very small and has few things in it for bacteria and mold to stick to. It hasn't failed me yet, ive prepared many trays this way and not one contaminated.
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cronicr



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Immortal Jellyfish said: Yeah, I agree with hacker too. I was just voicing my opinion. No big deal
And I was just saying he hasn't been around the cult board to bless us in years but the guys grows are fucking epic, op just build a sab they don't have dirty doorknobs an sterility isn't an issue with them still air will be your best friend in the long run if your serious about agar and lc
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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: gman7104]
#19324265 - 12/25/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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gman7104 said: Ive never tried one but I don't understand whats so convenient about an LC. The process seems more complex than a simple g2g and more likely to contaminate. Plus you can't even tell if its contaminated or not until you knock up the jars.
Seems like its way easier to just knock em up with spores and then lysol my bathroom and quickly do the transfers.
I see how LCs can be beneficial especially when you have little spores, but why are they a basic staple in mycology?
You can produce large quantities of liquid inoculate in a relatively short time. A single pint jar of inoculate can inoculate 400 grain jars and then some. It doesn't require a pressure cooker and if you have decent sterile technique it's relatively reliable and cheap requiring only a single syringe to make. Not arguing for it, just saying this is what made it seem so attractive to me when I started.
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gman7104

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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: cronicr]
#19324269 - 12/25/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Going from agar to LC only to knock up grain jars is silly IMO.
You could have just used agar wedges to knock up multiple grain jars.
I can have 100 quart jars fully colonized and ready via agar wedge and G2G by the time your LC has colonized and been tested.
Just sayin.....I will never touch a needle again....agar and G2G FTW!
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cronicr said:
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Immortal Jellyfish said: Yeah, I agree with hacker too. I was just voicing my opinion. No big deal
And I was just saying he hasn't been around the cult board to bless us in years but the guys grows are fucking epic, op just build a sab they don't have dirty doorknobs an sterility isn't an issue with them still air will be your best friend in the long run if your serious about agar and lc
Yeah I just don't have a lot of money to spend. I spent my wad on the supplies for my next grow. However I did get some free micro centrifuge tubes in my order that I may put to use for cloning.
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cronicr



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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: gman7104]
#19324277 - 12/25/13 03:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A cardboard box and saran wrap works fine, anything to get the air still
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gman7104

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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: gman7104]
#19324292 - 12/25/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh I kind of skimmed your comment I thought you said flow hood lol.
I could use a glove box, i didn't even think of that. I never really cared for glove boxes because I always had success just spraying my bathroom. Agar is a different ballgame though.
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Re: Whats so good about LC's? [Re: PussyFart]
#19324300 - 12/25/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Immortal Jellyfish said: LCs can be used to knock up spawn bags, thus skipping the entire process of grain spawning to manure...ect.
This makes no sense.
After you use the LC to inoculate your spawn you would still have to actually spawn it....regardless of the inoculation method.
Making an LC to knock up grain jars when you could have just used spores is a waste of time....all you are doing is adding time and risk of failur....just knock up the grain jars with spores and be done with it.
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Immortal Jellyfish said: LCs are very, very fast at colonizing substrate
Are you counting the time it took for the LC to colonize, along with the test jars?
Seems to me like just inoculating the grains with spores would save time and effort.
So hacker you think people should just use their spores to start with and NOT an LC? What is this blasphemy!
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