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power without abuse?
    #19322729 - 12/24/13 07:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

just my personal opinion that randomly came to me today
how?
in heavy traffic guy next to me was waiting at the stop light( green light for him) for traffic to move forward so he didnt block the intersection.
some guy in a new bmw 7 or 8 series decided to just take a right turn while the other dude was being nice and not blocking the traffic.

bmw guy didnt seem to care.


so that got me thinking is there really power without abuse?

books been written about it.

but i wanted to know is there right or wrong?


power
faster car wins
faster/stronger/smarter athlete wins...
stronger will wins
etc

power is always there to "have if your way"
either good or bad without power you cant have it your way (to put it simply)

powerfull people usually dont complain

the only complains i see is the people that are powerless to do something so they start whining and bitching and instigating to get their way by means of using someone more powerfull then they are...


kinda like kids

your kid kicked my kids ass because hes stronger
my kid goes and gets his big brother and they kick your kids ass...
then your kid still is a better swimmer so he wins the tournament etc...
but according to our society the better swimmer should let the other guy win for reason i dont understand

what im trying to understand. why is it bad to use whatever power you got to your own advantage?
i know the supposed beliefs say that we live in a society and should not take advantage of eachother. but when it comes down to it.
only poor and powerless people belive in it...

have you met a sucessfull person that never ever in his life took advantage or other person?


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19323901 - 12/25/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A more to the point question is... why does it matter which is right or wrong, good or bad, etcetera?

Rather, why shouldn't one be more concerned with another question: namely, what can I safely get away with?


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: deCypher]
    #19323944 - 12/25/13 12:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well when i watch discovery channel
The natural thing to do for animals is to use everything they got to their advantage
Theres always thr big boss monkey that puts a smackdown on every other monkey and keeps them in check.

Theres always the leader that takes what he wants and the other ones share and act as a group


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19323947 - 12/25/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I guess depends on the point of view.

Whether youre in charge or not.


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19324019 - 12/25/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: power without abuse? [Re: deCypher]
    #19324094 - 12/25/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
A more to the point question is... why does it matter which is right or wrong, good or bad, etcetera?

Rather, why shouldn't one be more concerned with another question: namely, what can I safely get away with?




I have never heard anyone put that in such a way; 'what can i safely get away with'. I really like that alot. :shrug:


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: Withinity]
    #19324185 - 12/25/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well the laws are put in place by people who are in position of power...so i guess it is fair enough lol

still.
the boss is in CONTROL
the leader is IN CHARGE
not same thing


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19324195 - 12/25/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ive just been watching alot of those scifi movies and shows
they all depict humans as capable of rational behavior and non controlling towards other civilizations

when the fact is we colonize the fuk out of this planet
we control everything that we get our hands on
if we dont control it we spend billions of dollars and insane amount of resources to gain control of something...


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: fuzzysig] * 1
    #19324295 - 12/25/13 03:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you "colonize the fuck out of the planet"?

Do you control everything that you  get your hands on?

Do you spend billions of dollars?

Who are you talking about? Why do you include yourself?

That doesn't sound like people I've met in my life.


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19325611 - 12/25/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

We use the products dont we all? So yes we do all the above
This is a discussion not an argument gtfo if you want to argue about everything...


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: fuzzysig] * 1
    #19325760 - 12/25/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What is my argument?

My argument is you are using vague generalizations to categorize the actions of all people into simplistic notions that do not reflect reality.

I don't concede that "we all" "use the products", because I don't think we are all one thing, and I don't know what products you are referring to, Who is forcing you to use  what products you don't want to? Exercise your own will,nobody will do it for you.

You could make this a discussion, by answering my questions and helping me understand what it is you are trying to accomplish. The word argument is not a bad word, nor is it a negative or a painful thing, it a method of describing the world we live in. Perhaps you could make clear concise posts, and people wouldn't need to ask for clarity.

If more people took time to debate their case, we would have better consumers and more accountability for how we use our products and resources. Pehaps you should not fear scrutiny, you should join in.


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19325789 - 12/25/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

People, greedy, to me are quite stupid. They will not know such a bliss as I...


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: Icyus]
    #19325791 - 12/25/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You are not people?


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19325802 - 12/25/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

*greedy people, with egoes and espechiaooy the superegoes..*


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: Icyus]
    #19325944 - 12/25/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Im using generalization to keep it simple so i dont have to type a fuckin legal paper to inckude every possible option just so you can be satisfied.  so if you dont consider yourself a part of this then please skip this discussion.

Ure not here to discuss ure here to troll
Obviously others understood what im talking about

Please find another post to troll and let others post their ideas and opinions
You obviously didnt understand what is being discussed so i dont need to answer your questions because you are trying to get this thread off track so you can sucessfully troll this discussion into another useless arfunemt defending sides ...


Edited by fuzzysig (12/25/13 03:28 PM)


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19325971 - 12/25/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Perhaps you could ask a moderator to move this post to a different forum if you don't like people questioning ideas they find questionable.

You are suggesting that your words are not subject to debating in a debate forum, and then you accuse me of trolling. Please take some time to read the forum rules.

This is a valuable quotation that you are neglecting.

"This debate-oriented forum is for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning. Topics may include epistemology, ethics, metaphysics/ontology, the psychology of mind and the sociological study of cultural and individual behavior. Personal attacks will not be tolerated, though critical analysis of the ideas presented is encouraged. If you wish to express your ideas in a less critical environment, consider visiting our Spirituality & Mysticism forum."



...........At least there you are not required  to clarify or validate your claims, just encouraged.


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: Roger Wilco] * 2
    #19325994 - 12/25/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You are trying to control this thread!!!!

You are trying to shut any questioning of your ideas, or your thread leadership.

You are attempting to wield ownership of an internet thread!

POWER! ABUSE!

haha  jokes aside ,seriously though, debate or "gtfo".


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: Roger Wilco]
    #19326161 - 12/25/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

U are trolling this thread bro  thats all....
Ur questions are made to steer this thread in completely different direction
What you call a debate is not its just instigating an argument instead of friendly discussion


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Re: power without abuse? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19326212 - 12/25/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Team Orange or Yellow?



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Re: power without abuse? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19326526 - 12/25/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

fuzzysig said:
Im using generalization to keep it simple so i dont have to type a fuckin legal paper to inckude every possible option just so you can be satisfied.  so if you dont consider yourself a part of this then please skip this discussion.

Ure not here to discuss ure here to troll
Obviously others understood what im talking about

Please find another post to troll and let others post their ideas and opinions
You obviously didnt understand what is being discussed so i dont need to answer your questions because you are trying to get this thread off track so you can sucessfully troll this discussion into another useless arfunemt defending sides ...




I totally disagree.  IMO he's new but a great poster here.


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