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Ellis Dee
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FrogWarrior said: Do you think you could make things alright for everyone. Would you make things alright for everyone. Two questions, 1 answer.
What makes you think you're not god? What makes you think that everything's not alright for everyone?
-------------------- "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
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On the topic of the OP...
I believe that I am god. I create reality by perceiving it. Without my perception of the physical world there is no physical world.
I might not be able to spawn observed objects individually (ie I can't generate the poppy tea which I desire into my hands as I lay in bed now), but I can use physical objects which I control (my hands, feet, legs, my car once I put my keys in it, etc) to gain control over the items necessary to create the tea. Or I can exercise an amount which will allow endorphins to release and bind to my opiate receptors, creating the same feeling in my perception.
I also choose how to recognize the objects in my perception. This is evident in any debate between two people. People make statements which they view as truth, and they provide data and "facts" that support their truths, and continue to do so despite their statements conflicting with other just as verifiable statements.
I am doing this right now as I make the statement that I am god, citing my self-created perception as the source which verifies itself. Oh how I love paradoxes as well as the word "paradox"
So I say that I could make everything right for everyone. I could walk down to the highway bridge under which my city's homeless population stays and think, "Wow, these people are so blessed because being alive is wonderful. What a wonderful life that these people and all people have." I could, but I don't.
And I wouldn't. I think these homeless people for the most part hate their current states, and many would and will steal, kill, sell narcotics to children, etc to escape that state in some way.
What I'm trying to say essentially is: Though I am god, I can't physically (in my current world view) make life "alright" for everyone. However, I can change my view of how life being alright would look to match everyone's current status I wouldn't make it physically alright for everyone if I was omnipotent either. As I'm attempting to do it with the physical or mental ability I have right now, why would I if I were the almighty god whom I assume you are speaking of?
Keep in your thoughts that I'm saying you are god as well, though you are nothing to me but a screen name with a theoretical face influencing its words, as I am to you.
-------------------- dead man walking
Edited by HalfLight (12/26/13 12:56 AM)
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viktor
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For me the difficulty is that I have no way to judge that a person's current suffering isn't precisely what they need in the long term for reasons I can't understand (not being them).
If I was God (in the sense that I believe the OP meant it) I wouldn't do anything other than to behave correctly. In fact I would probably hypnotise myself into thinking I wasn't God because that would be much more interesting.
If I was omnipotent and could manifest any kind of beautiful scenery, beer, drugs, hot chicks etc. I would be bored into a stupor within the hour.
I might well assume, then, that other people have chosen what they have chosen and the best thing would be to not fuck with it unless I really truly knew it was the right thing to do.
-------------------- "They consider me insane but I know that I am a hero living under the eyes of the gods."
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Re: If you were God [Re: viktor]
#19333671 - 12/27/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I say fuck them
what did those assholes ever do for me?
never liked those guys….
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FrogWarrior
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Re: If you were God [Re: viktor]
#19334649 - 12/27/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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viktor said: For me the difficulty is that I have no way to judge that a person's current suffering isn't precisely what they need in the long term for reasons I can't understand (not being them).
If I was God (in the sense that I believe the OP meant it) I wouldn't do anything other than to behave correctly. In fact I would probably hypnotise myself into thinking I wasn't God because that would be much more interesting.
If I was omnipotent and could manifest any kind of beautiful scenery, beer, drugs, hot chicks etc. I would be bored into a stupor within the hour.
I might well assume, then, that other people have chosen what they have chosen and the best thing would be to not fuck with it unless I really truly knew it was the right thing to do.
Yeah, thats what gets me wondering if I would actually end peoples suffering at all if I knew whats what in the grand scheme of things. I've seen what my own suffering has done in the long run. Suffering shrinks my ego and expands my awareness/wisdom. I hate to see people suffer so I always want to end it when I see it, so I have some cognitive dissonance going on. When I see someone who is suffering on an absurdly hardcore scale, like someone with moderate (severe and you go into violent seizures, mild is pretty maddening, moderate must be horrifying) akathisia and I'll be thinking "PLEASE GOD HELP THIS PERSON". I'd help them if I could. This existence thing is hardcore, thats for sure. I suppose thats the beauty of it. I went into an ayahuasca ceremony one day with the intention of curing the mild akathisia that I had, and it showed me what its like when it keeps increasing in intensity. It was pretty insane, my whole body contorted and I felt like I was about to explode. Then just as abruptly, a wave of the most profound relaxation possible hit me, abruptly going from that about to explode state to that relaxed state was epic.
This reality thing is so crazy and mind boggling, maybe everything is perfect, its just that we can't see it from this perspective, and if we could see it then it wouldn't work. A salvia trip I had once hinted at this, and you gain some clues from observing the transition between non lucid and lucid dreams. The lack of awareness (or should I say different kind of awareness) in non lucid dreams make possible some interesting things that wouldn't work with your ordinary logic. For example, I learned to fly in lucid dreams one day because I was in a non lucid dream being propelled through the air by a toaster which I'd modified into a flying device. It all seemed perfectly reasonable at the time, then I suddenly became lucid and realised how absurd the whole situation was. But I was still flying. From then on I knew I could fly, so it got rid of any doubts I had. Anyone here who lucid dreams regularly will know that even a shred of doubt will prevent you from doing things in lucid dreams. Its interesting how we can override these self imposed limitations by being non lucid.
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Everyone and everything is God. So your problem is invalid. God is everything and the way everything is does not have a local controller. So its exactly how it needs to be.
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Asante
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You are God. All of us are You. Everything is allright BUT the ride is so wild that we forget all this.
-------------------- Omnicyclion.org higher knowledge starts here
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Icyus
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Re: If you were God [Re: Asante]
#19371391 - 01/05/14 04:45 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Yes and no.
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
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Re: If you were God [Re: Icyus]
#19371413 - 01/05/14 05:02 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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we are not god, that is why we cant mean the least of another to be fine in constant terms .. we cant but mean ourselves states of being positive constant
we are not god, that is why we don't care about dying, and we deal with mortality as a normal thing to happen on us
if we are all superiority that exist, then there is no god nor gods at all
so the sense of powers on things including us is evil so power is always to evil identities
the fact that we need a god that would protect us from evil freedom powers, is the proof that god do not exist and it is a fanciful will of inferiors means like the means to delegate powers on our ways of life to governments that would sell us the ability to provide positive existence stability
Edited by absols (01/05/14 05:05 AM)
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Re: If you were God [Re: Asante] 1
#19372291 - 01/05/14 10:50 AM (10 years, 26 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: You are God. All of us are You. Everything is allright BUT the ride is so wild that we forget all this.
Keep telling yourself this.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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FrogWarrior
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Re: If you were God [Re: Asante]
#19402144 - 01/11/14 02:37 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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Everyone has a different idea of God. I was pretty high when I made this thread, but I think what I meant is if you suddenly had the capabilities to change anything. Could you and would you sort everyone one. Both tricky questions because whats good for one person is bad for another. And then theres the possibility that theres a purpose to this life thing and that making everything good for everyone would defeat that purpose. Either way, if I suddenly had these capabilities, I'd sort everyone out (no more need for food, water, oxygen, nociceptive feedback etc.) and induce a wave of psychedelic glory upon humanity. It would be epic.
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Icyus
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People are capable of spreading a psycadellic wawe upon hummanity... many are already doing so..
i will not explain how, however.. quite dangerous knowledge to the ignorant..
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
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FrogWarrior
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Re: If you were God [Re: Icyus]
#19403430 - 01/11/14 11:42 AM (10 years, 20 days ago) |
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You mean tainting the water supplies with psychedelics?
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You are god.
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https://soundcloud.com/dankm dank music
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FrogWarrior
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I never got around to uploading that page I wrote while I was in the twilight zone. Here it is:

at the time it seemed like I'd depicted the mysteries of the universe and I left that behind for others to know them after I'd disappeared haha.
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