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OfflineIcyus
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Tycoda] * 1
    #19325762 - 12/25/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It must be done gradually. There will also be a burden to overcome, and one might argue which is the worse pick, but it renders peace and bliss, not just in pleasure. In the end you might chose to end you life and connection to these people, though I am awaiting such a fate for now.. helping a bit doesnt hurt..


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Tycoda]
    #19325795 - 12/25/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1741-7015-11-63.pdf

Quote:

Abstract

Background:
Recently, some US cohorts have shown a moderate association between red and processed meat
consumption and mortality supporting the results of previous studies among vegetarians. The aim of this study
was to examine the association of red meat, processed meat, and poultry consumption with the risk of early death
in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC).

Methods:
Included in the analysis were 448,568 men and women without prevalent cancer, stroke, or myocardial
infarction, and with complete information on diet, smoking, physical activity and body mass index, who were
between 35 and 69 years old at baseline. Cox proportional hazards regression was used to examine the association
of meat consumption with all-cause and cause-specific mortality
.
Results:
As of June 2009, 26,344 deaths were observed. After multivariate adjustment, a high consumption of red
meat was related to higher all-cause mortality (hazard ratio (HR) = 1.14, 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.01 to 1.28,
160+ versus 10 to 19.9 g/day), and the association was stronger for processed meat (HR = 1.44, 95% CI 1.24 to
1.66, 160+ versus 10 to 19.9 g/day). After correction for measurement error, higher all-cause mortality remained
significant only for processed meat (HR = 1.18, 95% CI 1.11 to 1.25, per 50 g/d). We estimated that 3.3% (95% CI
1.5% to 5.0%) of deaths could be prevented if all participants had a processed meat consumption of less than
20 g/day. Significant associations with processed meat intake were observed for cardiovascular diseases, cancer,
and

other causes of death

. The consumption of poultry was not related to all-cause mortality.
( Whats with the cause specific mortality? )

Conclusions:
The results of our analysis support a moderate positive association between processed meat
consumption and mortality, in particular due to cardiovascular diseases, but also to cancer.

Keywords:
diet, meat, mortality, cohort, Europe, cardiovascular, cancer





There are more studies out there. look for them, post them


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Impulze]
    #19326633 - 12/25/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with gorlax..

Tycoda's opinion resoante with me too...


As I whole, ithink, its about balance /once again/..

I do not support everyday meat /any/ consumption,but all in all it depends on your life style...I need meat cuz I am phisicaoly very active..ten hrs on foot at least...everyday... I do not eat pork,prefer lamb and beef, cooked by me......

I find fish as really valuable /imo/ as a food but the recent events as fukushima daiichi disaster  makes me avid the ocean sea food..
All in all imo its too individual /beliefs and lifestyle/...

Just do not overindulge and exercise...


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: shpngld]
    #19358877 - 01/02/14 02:38 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

So i have been gaining noticable muscle. I feel very strong yet supple. Prolly the yoga

Anyways, i have decided to go for meat in balance. Maybe 1-2 times a week and only unprovessed good quality meats. Which meats would be the healthiest? Pork and beef r kind of nasty (no offense to others). Im guessing red meats in general dont sit well with me. Even when i ate a lot of meat for about 3-4 years, pork and beef always made me feel unhealthy in large amounts.

Salmon, chicken, and turkey seem to be the way to go. If i cud afford it, i would do moose or venison. Any other siggestions. I also have doubled up on eggs and quinoa. A little meat here and there once again could go a long way


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
    #19358903 - 01/02/14 02:42 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

careful about eating salmon because of mercury poisoning. Chicken and turkey are a good way to go, and so is eating liver if you can stomach it. i eat liver very often because it is cheap, healthy, and easy to prepare - and if i get it sliced thin then it is pretty tasty imo, too.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Tycoda]
    #19358917 - 01/02/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

I need my red meat for my protien I need my strength man.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #19358937 - 01/02/14 02:51 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

My best advice, for healths sake would be to eat what you kill.. go hunting, go fishing, and eat plants and mushrooms.. you will be healthy..


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Icyus]
    #19358955 - 01/02/14 02:54 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

My advice... eat paleo. It's delicious, healthy and you can or don't have to eat meat.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: eternalworm]
    #19358973 - 01/02/14 02:58 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

I dint get exactly wat paleo is? I thought i was just natural meats and veggies


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
    #19359027 - 01/02/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

IMHO the best foods are vegetables, fruits and meats, and the best meats are bison, elk, venison, turkey and freshwater fish. If you do eat ocean fish make sure you eat atlantic not pacific because of fukushima radiation.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19359072 - 01/02/14 03:17 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Growing an extra pair of eyes never hurt anyone..


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: ShiVersblood]
    #19359088 - 01/02/14 03:22 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

ShiVersblood said:
I need my red meat for my protien I need my strength man.



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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19360985 - 01/02/14 10:03 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
IMHO the best foods are vegetables, fruits and meats, and the best meats are bison, elk, venison, turkey and freshwater fish. If you do eat ocean fish make sure you eat atlantic not pacific because of fukushima radiation.



Thank you! I will check all of em out. Lol i am assuming bison, elk, venison are all expensive

Fruits, veggies, chicken, freshwater fish, turkey, should be a fairly sustainable diet. I really wanna try venison. I have heard good things about em

The idea of killing an animal when I dont have to is a little disturbing, but its watever. I might as well kill the least conscious ones (tukeys, chickens, fish)


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
    #19361394 - 01/02/14 11:48 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

I'm going to go with the less popular opinion and say you should stick with the vegetarian diet. Not eating meat is a lot healthier and easier than most people realize or are willing to admit. You may even live longer with a reduced risk of heart disease and cancer. While meat has the benefit of being nutrient dense and convenient most of the crap you will find at the super market is factory farmed and loaded with hormones, antibiotics and preservatives. Also nutritionally speaking there is nothing special you will find in meat. Everything you need can be sourced in abundance elsewhere.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Aedan]
    #19361503 - 01/03/14 12:14 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Eating meat is ruining the planet.
Eating meat is not necessary.
For those interested here is a great place to start
http://www.youtube.com/user/durianriders


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: thelanzii] * 1
    #19361653 - 01/03/14 01:00 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Nemmies said:
Eating meat is ruining the planet.




What makes you think that agriculture is not destructive to the planet?


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19361668 - 01/03/14 01:03 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

i think having an all meat diet puts your body into ketosis which burns a shit ton of calories


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Shroomism]
    #19361689 - 01/03/14 01:10 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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Shroomism said:
I definitely hear you there and agree wholeheartedly.

http://vegetarianbodybuilder.com/115.html
https://www.sunwarrior.com/news/build-muscles-as-a-vegan-or-vegetarian/

I believe the best results come from eating a healthy and DIVERSE diet - just like any diet , meat based or not.




Just heard on the radio of a couple, who are in there 60's, that have run 366 consecutive marathons on a raw vegan diet! link

The mind boggles.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19361712 - 01/03/14 01:20 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

The production of meat is far more harmful, due to methane output and soil erosion.  Pesticides are an unfortunate practice of agriculture but as a whole meat production is far more harmful, to ourselves and the planet.  Not to mention that fact that you cannot produce meat without agriculture and the overwhelming large amount of water it takes to produce a pound of meat compared to other mediums of food.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: thelanzii] * 1
    #19361770 - 01/03/14 01:44 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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Nemmies said:
The production of meat is far more harmful, due to methane output and soil erosion.  Pesticides are an unfortunate practice of agriculture but as a whole meat production is far more harmful, to ourselves and the planet.  Not to mention that fact that you cannot produce meat without agriculture and the overwhelming large amount of water it takes to produce a pound of meat compared to other mediums of food.





Pesticides are not the only thing harmful to agriculture. Agriculture is also harmful because you constantly have to expand land, since you can only use the soil a number of times before it degrades to a certain point. You destroy the natural habitat of thousands of wild animals in the process of agriculture. Basically, unless you're using permaculture techniques, it is going to be harmful and unsustainable to the environment.


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