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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: koods]
    #19322966 - 12/24/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There are ways to get complete protein sources without meat. It just is harder :/


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19323026 - 12/24/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A little google search i find that vegatarians are generally pretty low in creatine

And when I get my own place in about a year or two I will build my own home gym. I dont like the local gym once again

And i sure as hell am not expecting to get the same results as red meat eater. I am guessing anmimal protien is better for muscle building hands down (this is my inference. Not scientifcally backed up at all)

The impetus behind posting this thread was that i just got into a push fight and for the first time since my bro started eating heavy meats in the midwest and I started eating vegatarian, I actually beat him

I wrote a list of everything health choice that we made that I am aware of:
bro: drinks 3 nights a week, drinks coffee heavily, eats meats in almost every meal, doesnt work out, occassionally meditates, smokes weed once a week maybe
me: phenibut/etizolam .5-1 a week, green tea (no coffee), vape 2-6 times a week, 2-5 2gram kratom doses a week, meditate 1-2 20 min sessions a day, excercise (see first post for details), eat pretty damn healthy vegatarian

My bro doesnt rly pay attention to health. meditates for his stress

I pay close attention to my health. The furthest I go in a week is a couple small kratom doses a week, and vaping in varying amounts a week

The only thing that he does in that huge list I made that would help his muscle growth is eat meat. And only recently (when I expanded my horizons past running), I have been able to beat him

meditating, running, vegatarian, teetotaler vs fairly heavy meat eater, and drinker who never excercises?

The meat eater wins? Rly put into context the situation and all the vegatarians who say that vegatarian diet is the obvious choice curl up into fetal position. It really doesnt make sense to put veggie diet on a pedastal


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
    #19323031 - 12/24/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

5 year vegetarian, naturally just really muscular but I gain fat easily also. I'd still rather be you than your brother on this one though.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: st1llnox]
    #19323568 - 12/24/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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5 year vegetarian, naturally just really muscular but I gain fat easily also. I'd still rather be you than your brother on this one though.



Lol u kinda crapped all over my genetics indirectly in that post. But thats ok lol. Its prolly a conbo of genetics in addition to too much emphasis on cardio


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
    #19325049 - 12/25/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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5 year vegetarian, naturally just really muscular but I gain fat easily also. I'd still rather be you than your brother on this one though.



Lol u kinda crapped all over my genetics indirectly in that post. But thats ok lol. Its prolly a conbo of genetics in addition to too much emphasis on cardio




Lol you crapped on mine and my psychology, so we're good man :highfive1:  I've actually always wanted to be like naturally skinny but mainly because getting fat(ter) terrifies me :lolsy:

I'd say you're doing well with how things are going. Maybe he'll be able to beat you arm wrestling, but he'll never be able to outrun you :themoreyouknow:  Quit looking at what you're not suited as well for and look at what you are :sun:

I commend your vegetarianism too!!! :awebig:


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
    #19325051 - 12/25/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think eating moderate amounts of meat is probably more healthy than eating none at all. By a moderate amount, I mean WAY less than most Westerners eat.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19325070 - 12/25/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think a little could go a long way, a lot could really hold you back, but that none (especially if done right) can be ideal.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: st1llnox]
    #19325149 - 12/25/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well I have been a vegeterain for 11 months and started eating meat again few days ago :laugh:

Why ? Well we all have a right to think what we want, and our thoughts and opinions and points of view can change over some time, so did mine.

Well I cuted out every kind of meat and fish at the end of January, and started to eat meat few days ago, and I never got sick or raised temperature or any kind of unhealthy sings (well that is if we don't count pukeing from alcohol and greening out :laugh: )

And I didn't eat a lot of veggie food, I mostly ate egs and diary products (chees and milk mostly), well I ate things like salad and some fruits and potato, mushrooms on pizza without meat (not the magic ones :wink: ) and well, I didn't eat foods I should have, but didn't get sick.

Thats all I have to say, I don't want to say why I stopped eating meat 11 months ago or why I started eating meat a few days ago, becouse it does not matter.

Enjoy your life, do what you think is right :wink:


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: ify24]
    #19325355 - 12/25/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've tried quitting vegetarianism and failed :lol:

Always ended up getting veggie dishes while out and about and whatnot.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: st1llnox]
    #19325411 - 12/25/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just become a flexitarian. 80%-90% of your diet will be vegan, but you'll still be open to occasional meat here and there. It's not something I do at the moment but I've heard it's a pretty decent way to eat if you're going for improved health and I'd like to give it a chance some time.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Raklor]
    #19325416 - 12/25/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Just become a flexitarian. 80%-90% of your diet will be vegan, but you'll still be open to occasional meat here and there. It's not something I do at the moment but I've heard it's a pretty decent way to eat if you're going for improved health and I'd like to give it a chance some time.




I've been thinking about going vegan and this sounds... swell! :cookiemonster:


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: st1llnox]
    #19325426 - 12/25/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well yeah I took me 2 months to quit xD
I got used to not eating meat, my brain didn't register meat as food, but as dead animal and like something that I should not eat.

And whenI thoght about quitting 2 months ago I couldn't really start to eat meat again right then, but only after 2 months :laugh:

Sry for my bad english :laugh:


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Raklor]
    #19325431 - 12/25/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Raklor said:
Just become a flexitarian. 80%-90% of your diet will be vegan, but you'll still be open to occasional meat here and there. It's not something I do at the moment but I've heard it's a pretty decent way to eat if you're going for improved health and I'd like to give it a chance some time.



I was planning on sticking with my current diet which is vegatarian, and maybe 1-2 fish/chicken meals a week. at that GOOD quality fish and chicken. Once again, a little meat would probably go a long way


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
    #19325688 - 12/25/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Eating meat is important for human beings. It provides essential protein, but also it counterbalances the cerebral impact of a fruits and veggies diet.

Whereas fruits and vegetables are packed with phytonutrients, which nourish the imagination and other similar cerebral functions, meat is packed with protein that provides a certain stability and surefootedness, which fruits and veggies do not provide on their own.

So while too many fruits and veggies leads to a consciousness that is seemingly detached and spacy, and too much meat leads to a consciousness that is sluggish and simple-minded, when the two food groups act in tandem with one another they produce a calm, poised mental state which is both imaginative and surefooted.

For this reason, in Chinese terminology, certain food groups are referred to as "yin" and "yang". Yin, which is negative, provides too little grounding in reality when it is present in excess, meanwhile yang, which is positive, provides too little imagination to give the cerebellum a chance to breathe and expand. The two must be balanced to make use of the brain's full capacity for unfolding its true potential.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Tycoda]
    #19325697 - 12/25/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Eating meat is important for human beings. It provides essential protein, but also it counterbalances the cerebral impact of a fruits and veggies diet.

Whereas fruits and vegetables are packed with phytonutrients, which nourish the imagination and other similar cerebral functions, meat is packed with protein that provides a certain stability and surefootedness, which fruits and veggies do not provide on their own.

So while too many fruits and veggies leads to a consciousness that is seemingly detached and spacy, and too much meat leads to a consciousness that is sluggish and simple-minded, when the two food groups act in tandem with one another they produce a calm, poised mental state which is both imaginative and surefooted.

For this reason, in Chinese terminology, certain food groups are referred to as "yin" and "yang". Yin, which is negative, provides too little grounding in reality when it is present in excess, meanwhile yang, which is positive, provides too little imagination to give the cerebellum a chance to breathe and expand. The two must be balanced to make use of the brain's full capacity for unfolding its true potential.




Only on a damned hallucinogen forum :facepalm:


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Tycoda]
    #19325700 - 12/25/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I do not understand what you are implying. Can you please clarify the meaning of your face-palm gesture?


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: st1llnox]
    #19325705 - 12/25/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Eating meat is healthier for the ego and apathy.. I am currently not doing so, but plan on stopping... I would only eat an animal to devour it, to become it. Cut its throat and drink its blood. It is like a buzz, though you cannot really live of it.... you will not truly be living anymore..


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Icyus]
    #19325731 - 12/25/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Eating meat is healthier for the ego and apathy..




Yes, meat does nourish the confidence and presence of the ego. This is helpful for a number of reasons, and even so for psychedelic users, since without a well-formed ego, the consciousness cannot properly utilize any of the knowledge or wisdom that it obtains.

However, naturally, a pure meat diet will do no good because it will give the ego more power than it deserves, to the exclusion of the external reality which keeps the ego in check.

To some extent, apathy can be beneficial if it is counterbalanced with empathy. Combined, they create dispassion, which is a very helpful state in the modern time, one which allows somebody to experience compassion without becoming saddened or burdened by it, as is often the case nowadays.


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Tycoda]
    #19325741 - 12/25/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hehe.. if you do decide to drop your ego, you will get a super ego..that you may accept or not.. never totally leaving though.. like coke without the dellusionality..


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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Icyus]
    #19325744 - 12/25/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I would only eat an animal to devour it, to become it. Cut its throat and drink its blood. It is like a buzz, though you cannot really live of it.... you will not truly be living anymore..




Sadly, this is the current state of affairs that we are stuck in... the meat that we harvest is tainted by fear and negative emotions, which has a barbarianism-inducing effect on the psyche. As you described it, it is like a buzz.

But i do not know whether it is worse to suffer this psychic damage, or whether it is worse to abstain from meat entirely. I reckon that it is imperative to obtain a balance between the two, since eating leafy vegetables and fruits will offset barbarism, yet too much fruits and vegetables impart little self-esteem or fortitude.


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