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Is eating meat healthier?
#19322524 - 12/24/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been vegatarian for a while now. I can't remember how long now. Probably 1-2 years. I grew up in a vegatarian household though so it is a lot easier than it seems to be for others
Anyways. I can't help but feel like my muscles are generally pretty small. I see my brother in illinois every 3 months when we all head home for thanksgiving and holidays. We always get into little strength battles here and there and he has always won. Only recently when I have been really pushing my workouts in the past year have I beaten him in a show of strength. Ie we push against each other or wrestle. He is 21 and I am 19. But he drinks heavily, eats tons of meat (white and red), and never works out. I on the other hand eat nothing but healthy food, workout (dips, pushups, pullups, etc. yoga, run, bikram yoga, plank, wall sit, squats, gym once a week, but usually things that dont require a gym), meditate, and dont drink at all. I only vaporize weed, at that 4 times a week, kratom 3 times a week. Yes, I eat black beans, brown rice, quinoa, eggs occassionally, hemp protien shakes, flaxseed and cottage cheese.
It also seems like other peers my age who don't workout, and eat pretty heavy meats are stronger than me. They also drink and smoke A LOT more than me. They seem to be stronger as well
keep in mind, I feel GREAT! I feel physically fit, in shape, and content with life in general. I would say i am healthier. But carnivorous diets seem to yield more muscle. Even though I make sure to get proper protien intake
Am I just genetically low in testosterone or soemthing?
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82] 1
#19322536 - 12/24/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well for one, if you are fully vegetarian, are you making sure you are doing it RIGHT and getting ALL the nutrients (B vitamins, iron, etc) and complete proteins you are missing from meat? A lot of vegetarians fuck that up hard.. although it sounds like you probably are.
It also sounds like the exercises you are doing are more cardio/toning oriented. Maybe try some lifting.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Shroomism]
#19322553 - 12/24/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomism said: Well for one, if you are fully vegetarian, are you making sure you are doing it RIGHT and getting ALL the nutrients (B vitamins, iron, etc) and complete proteins you are missing from meat? A lot of vegetarians fuck that up hard.. although it sounds like you probably are.
It also sounds like the exercises you are doing are more cardio/toning oriented. Maybe try some lifting.
I was thinking the same. Lots of cardio, and i am missing the lifting. But even people who DON'T lift get better results than me
Also, could you detail what complete protiens I could be missing? How could i do vegatarian right? Any tips would be appreciated
on a side note, my body has been getting pretty damn toned in the past year. And proportionally I have been beating my bro physically. I look in the mirror, and I have a perfect body. Not braggin or anything. Nice chest, decent arms, and abs are nice too. Not six pack tho
And I feel that fat people who simply eat a lot of meat are able to outsretgnth me
Makes me question the premise that vegatarianism is THAT much more healthy than carnivorous diet. Healthier maybe, but not THAT much healthier
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Shroomism] 1
#19322555 - 12/24/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How fat are your cousins? You could be stronger than them per kg body weight but they could simple weigh a lot more and so be stronger over all. Sounds likely if they have a shite diet and no exercise.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
#19322558 - 12/24/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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To answer your question.. eating meat isn't necessarily healthier. But meat contains COMPLETE proteins, and important vitamins/minerals. It can be difficult to substitute meat completely.. but it can be done if you are smart about it.
Although I must say, I've seen more "vegetarians" with health problems, due to not eating properly. Just because you don't eat meat, doesn't mean you are healthier. In fact if you don't eat meat, you have to take more extensive measures to make sure you are getting everything in your diet. That said, there are world class vegetarian body builders out there. Look into their diet.
There's nothing wrong with eating meat. It's what humans have done to survive since before human civilization. And up until about 50-100 years ago, being 100% vegetarian was pretty much impossible for 99% of the world. The only reason being vegetarian is easier in modern society, is because of grocery stores and the like, and being able to get food from anywhere in the world. Just some food for thought.
Although the differences between you and your brother could be totally metabolism or body chemistry related.
I can't really help with diet suggestions... I tried being vegetarian for a while.. for one it was too expensive for me.. for two my body craved meat too much after a while. But I do know you need to at least replace the iron (tons of leafy greens and legumes, tomatoes, olives, apricots, etc). You need to get all your B vitamins (VERY important) and you need complete proteins. Hemp seed is a perfect complete protein for human consumption so you got it right there. Or mixing beans and rice creates a complete protein.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
#19322573 - 12/24/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Vegetarianism isn't healthier at all, depending on what kind and how much meat the omnivore eats.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Shroomism]
#19322579 - 12/24/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomism said: To answer your question.. eating meat isn't necessarily healthier. But meat contains COMPLETE proteins, and important vitamins/minerals. It can be difficult to substitute meat completely.. but it can be done if you are smart about it.
Although I must say, I've seen more "vegetarians" with health problems, due to not eating properly. Just because you don't eat meat, doesn't mean you are healthier. In fact if you don't eat meat, you have to take more extensive measures to make sure you are getting everything in your diet. That said, there are world class vegetarian body builders out there. Look into their diet.
There's nothing wrong with eating meat. It's what humans have done to survive since before human civilization. And up until about 50-100 years ago, being 100% vegetarian was pretty much impossible for 99% of the world. The only reason being vegetarian is easier in modern society, is because of grocery stores and the like, and being able to get food from anywhere in the world. Just some food for thought.
Although the differences between you and your brother could be totally metabolism or body chemistry related.
true true.
Also, maybe I simply don't eat enough. and my race has to be taken into account. I am indian, and my genes are probably shit for body building
I need to look into the bodybuilders diet, and check it out. once again, any extra help or advice is appreciated
It is more of an ethical/environemntal aspect than for health. I highly doubt that vegatarians are that much healthy than if you literally just ate "whole meats" ie. good quality chicken, unprocessed meats, unprocessed vegatables
The real modern day enemy is just unprocessed foods imo. Not meats (this statement is my opinion and should be taken in conetxt of health. Not environment)
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Spiderbaby]
#19322582 - 12/24/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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First of all, don't use others to compare your results of dieting. People have different genetics, especially when it comes to muscle growth. Some people just naturally put on more muscle.
Now like someone else said, it's ok to be on a vegetarian diet but you MUST take in all the essential nutrients.
Protein is the biggest one. Make sure you eat lots of Quinoa! It contains tons of protein and amino acids that are usually found in meat that vegetarians may lack.
I don't know what plant contains lots of creatine, which is the other essential for muscle growth, but you can take creatine supplements and you should notice a difference, just make sure you keep exercising and eating a proper balanced diet.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
#19322592 - 12/24/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I definitely hear you there and agree wholeheartedly.
http://vegetarianbodybuilder.com/115.html https://www.sunwarrior.com/news/build-muscles-as-a-vegan-or-vegetarian/
I believe the best results come from eating a healthy and DIVERSE diet - just like any diet , meat based or not.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: gman7104]
#19322598 - 12/24/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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After completely reading your post, I think it's simply genetics. There is actually an enzyme that regulates how much muscle your body can put on at a time. Some people make less or more muscle than others.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
#19322623 - 12/24/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was a vegetarian for two years. I personally have found I can not be strong, happy and healthy without meat.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
#19322632 - 12/24/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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topdog82 said: I have been vegatarian for a while now. I can't remember how long now. Probably 1-2 years. I grew up in a vegatarian household though so it is a lot easier than it seems to be for others
Anyways. I can't help but feel like my muscles are generally pretty small. I see my brother in illinois every 3 months when we all head home for thanksgiving and holidays. We always get into little strength battles here and there and he has always won. Only recently when I have been really pushing my workouts in the past year have I beaten him in a show of strength. Ie we push against each other or wrestle. He is 21 and I am 19. But he drinks heavily, eats tons of meat (white and red), and never works out. I on the other hand eat nothing but healthy food, workout (dips, pushups, pullups, etc. yoga, run, bikram yoga, plank, wall sit, squats, gym once a week, but usually things that dont require a gym), meditate, and dont drink at all. I only vaporize weed, at that 4 times a week, kratom 3 times a week. Yes, I eat black beans, brown rice, quinoa, eggs occassionally, hemp protien shakes, flaxseed and cottage cheese.
It also seems like other peers my age who don't workout, and eat pretty heavy meats are stronger than me. They also drink and smoke A LOT more than me. They seem to be stronger as well
keep in mind, I feel GREAT! I feel physically fit, in shape, and content with life in general. I would say i am healthier. But carnivorous diets seem to yield more muscle. Even though I make sure to get proper protien intake
Am I just genetically low in testosterone or soemthing?
The one thing you are probably low on is creatine people who eat red meat will always be stronger than those who do not. Your body does produce it but the extra you get from Red meat will make a difference. That and interstitial fat will make you stronger.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: r00tuuu123]
#19322666 - 12/24/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I learned from a very intelligent professor something that makes a lot of sense but is hard to explain without the background knowledge of micro RNA's. It's thought that the more removed another species genetic code is from our own the less likely that mutations in there code can incorporate themselves into ours. This is why fish is considered one of the best/healthiest foods because they have ancient genetic codes that share no similar targets than ours. Compare this to cow meat that has similar codes. You really need a strong background in nucleic proteins to truly understand this concept...
but yes removing meats is good but you must supplement all the essentials you lose.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Gorlax]
#19322759 - 12/24/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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very possible to be strong and healthy on a no meat diet. you just gotta do it right. Strength has many more variables then just what you eat.This guys diet is from primarily fruits. He dls 415 for reps at 148
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: thelanzii]
#19322826 - 12/24/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nemmies said: very possible to be strong and healthy on a no meat diet. you just gotta do it right. Strength has many more variables then just what you eat.This guys diet is from primarily fruits. He dls 415 for reps at 148
Some what impressive for someone in the 148 lb weight class but he hitched every rep and in a lifting competition he would have been red lighted. So no I stick with my story. Guys form was good but the first rep should have been like he was ripping an empty bar.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: r00tuuu123]
#19322891 - 12/24/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yea the form isnt on point but still thats like 2.5 times his weight for reps this dude is vegan as well definitely possible if done right
Edited by thelanzii (12/24/13 07:51 PM)
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: thelanzii]
#19322893 - 12/24/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I have given it some thought. I have read all of your posts and its a pain to quote induviduals and type a long post out because I am super stoned and on my iphone rather than my comp
But so I understand it, I think i may need to try out fish and a little more eggs
and the post in regards to micro RNA, my uncle was explaining this to me as well. didnt understnad it fiully, but he gave me a basic rundown of the idea. He is in the biochem field
I need to double up on the quinoa also and in general eat more
Also, the best explanation for all of this is most likely genetics and lack of creatine
To clarify, I used to do all cardio and be thin and lanky. I stepped up my game and did more calesthenics. Never really been a big gym guy. I go there once a week with a buddy. But I don't like the environment really there. And now I am toned. But the issue is that others put in much less effort and yeild much better results. I will start taking craetine as well. I am guessing that red meat provides creatine that simply can't be found in white meat and fish
Thanks for the help ya'll
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
#19322916 - 12/24/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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topdog82 said: So I have given it some thought. I have read all of your posts and its a pain to quote induviduals and type a long post out because I am super stoned and on my iphone rather than my comp
But so I understand it, I think i may need to try out fish and a little more eggs
and the post in regards to micro RNA, my uncle was explaining this to me as well. didnt understnad it fiully, but he gave me a basic rundown of the idea. He is in the biochem field
I need to double up on the quinoa also and in general eat more
Also, the best explanation for all of this is most likely genetics and lack of creatine
To clarify, I used to do all cardio and be thin and lanky. I stepped up my game and did more calesthenics. Never really been a big gym guy. I go there once a week with a buddy. But I don't like the environment really there. And now I am toned. But the issue is that others put in much less effort and yeild much better results. I will start taking craetine as well. I am guessing that red meat provides creatine that simply can't be found in white meat and fish
Thanks for the help ya'll
Healthy levels of creatine can still be easily maintained at a healthy level if one is consuming adequate calories from whole foods on a no meat diet
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: topdog82]
#19322919 - 12/24/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What you need to do is lift heavy if you want to gain weight. Doing mostly cardio and a little bit of calisthenics if you are a hard-gainer is going to do very little for your size.
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Re: Is eating meat healthier? [Re: Gorlax]
#19322955 - 12/24/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gorlax said: I learned from a very intelligent professor something that makes a lot of sense but is hard to explain without the background knowledge of micro RNA's. It's thought that the more removed another species genetic code is from our own the less likely that mutations in there code can incorporate themselves into ours. This is why fish is considered one of the best/healthiest foods because they have ancient genetic codes that share no similar targets than ours. Compare this to cow meat that has similar codes. You really need a strong background in nucleic proteins to truly understand this concept...
but yes removing meats is good but you must supplement all the essentials you lose.
I think you have taken the phrase "you are what you eat" at little too seriously.
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