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Children - blessing or curse?
#19322226 - 12/24/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I notice that few of the geezoids on here have children. Are we smarter than the average bear or have we missed out on a special bundle of joy and path to biological fulfillment?
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OrgoneConclusion said: I notice that few of the geezoids on here have children. Are we smarter than the average bear or have we missed out on a special bundle of joy and path to biological fulfillment?
Everything is so black and white with you. I would say better not to have the kid in your case. For me, not so sure but probably better considering how shitty things are.
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Having children is a true blessing. As long as you don't have to raise them.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: Icelander]
#19323906 - 12/25/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Having children is a true blessing. As long as you don't have to raise them. 
Amen. I won't have kids until I'm rich enough to hire maids/caretakers to nurse them while I'm sleeping, take care of whatever spoiled need arises while I'm busy, etcetera etc... I'll just be there for the good parts and reciprocate love & affection.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: deCypher] 1
#19324047 - 12/25/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like kids but dislike contacting poop. Therefore I do not have kids.
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This is my own bias coming into play but IMO this is one of the worst times you could have children not only because of the instability of prices and all the struggles just to obtain the bare minimal of survival for a family the cycle of debt etc
But also taking into consideration the pacing of information these days and amount of influence on every corner. Fuck man seems like a tiresome job to constantly look out for someone to be honest.
You know what really pisses me off though , the fact that the Government makes it harder for people that are single rather than married couples. E.g Material status effecting your tax deduction rate. Business is the bottom-line in this day and age , no exceptions for 'love'.
Children and family are amazing prospects though especially when done well which is a rarity.
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Statistically each child moves a family dramatically closer to poverty. The average cost of raisin a child is estimated at a quarter million dollars.
Therefore by choosing not to have a family of four you can expect to save a million dollars, which can be used to afford a cabin, a PhD and travel around the world.
You can also expect to save thousands of hours of care taking time, time that could be used to get a black belt, write a book and master a skill or two.
Not having children means more recreation and relaxation time, more disposable income, less stress and less economic vulnerability.
Not having children means more mobility, flexibility, freedom of choice and free time.
He best thing is to be happily married with no children. The Dual Income no kids (DINK) strategy (both spouses work full time and have no children ) is a fast track to wealth .
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: Moonshoe]
#19325769 - 12/25/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Statistically each child moves a family dramatically closer to poverty. The average cost of raisin a child is estimated at a quarter million dollars.
Therefore by choosing not to have a family of four you can expect to save a million dollars, which can be used to afford a cabin, a PhD and travel around the world.
You can also expect to save thousands of hours of care taking time, time that could be used to get a black belt, write a book and master a skill or two.
Not having children means more recreation and relaxation time, more disposable income, less stress and less economic vulnerability.
Not having children means more mobility, flexibility, freedom of choice and free time.
He best thing is to be happily married with no children. The Dual Income no kids (DINK) strategy (both spouses work full time and have no children ) is a fast track to wealth .
Hmmmm... As a soldier expecting to go to Vietnam, I didn't think it would be right to bring a child into the world with such an uncertain future.
And when I got out of the army and went to Vietnam, the same logic applied. Then, after 10 (glorious) years of batchelorhood, I married my (third) wife, who was unable to have kids.
My present wife (and her first husband) adopted two infants when she was thirty because she had an early hysterectomy because of endomitriosis and was unable to bear any herself. That was OK my be, I was 62 then and having kids was not a pleasing prospect. Fortunately, her son did not live at home and her daughter married one week before we did.
Given a choice, I would not have kids. I see a pretty bleak outlook for the next 20 or more years, and I don't see any ameliorating factors in the picture anywhere.
If I was 20 today, I would not have kids simply because I think it would be a cruel thing to do to a kid, to bring them into the world and not be able to guarantee their financial future.
YMMV, of course
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: hmmn]
#19326672 - 12/25/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hmmn said: I like kids but dislike contacting poop. Therefore I do not have kids.
Makes good sense.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: Icelander]
#19327569 - 12/26/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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All I wanted to say in this thread is, why do people feel the need to pop out so many fucking little monkeys? The world is over-populated! It's funny it seems like the shittiest parents have the most shit machines. I mean if you really feel like raising a kid, adopt! The earth only has so much space and food! If we don't run into a big problem soon, somewhere down the line humanity will be screwed into eating soylent green. Plus why the fuck would a woman want to pop 4-6 kids out anyway? As a female wouldn't you want to have 1 kid and have the rest of your life to pursue a career and travel, etc.? To top it all off, people that have children constantly bug you. "When are you having kids?" "Do you not like children?" Its almost as if they want to drag you down into their misery. Its fucking exhausting.
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TheGreenArrow said: All I wanted to say in this thread is, why do people feel the need to pop out so many fucking little monkeys?
It's the only thing left to do after landing that dream career and settling into that fancy new square home.

It also seems like a pretty cool experiment. Who knows, you might give birth to frankenchild, or some other twisted freak of nature like myself!
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: Hobozen] 1
#19336834 - 12/28/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a 8 year old daughter and although life isn't as easy, ie..more responsibility, expense..etc I could not imagine life without her since she brings a whole new perspective on life. So to me a child is a blessing. However, having lots of children to a point they are there just to be there would be a curse and a burden on society.
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Adults have got it backwards, for depending on their actions, they are either the blessing or curse on their children.
A parent blesses their child when they can provide all of the living essentials for a life that they have created, but a parent curses any child when they cannot provide shelter, love, wisdom, and food. The child, until it becomes an adult, can only live the life that it is provided, so it cannot bless or curse - that is entirely the responsibility of the parent.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: Tycoda]
#19341122 - 12/29/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tycoda said: Adults have got it backwards, for depending on their actions, they are either the blessing or curse on their children.
A parent blesses their child when they can provide all of the living essentials for a life that they have created, but a parent curses any child when they cannot provide shelter, love, wisdom, and food. The child, until it becomes an adult, can only live the life that it is provided, so it cannot bless or curse - that is entirely the responsibility of the parent.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: LunarEclipse] 1
#19341196 - 12/29/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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For the sake of clarification, i will rephrase my words.
"Until a child reaches adulthood, they can only live the life that it is provided for them, so they cannot be a blessing or curse - that is entirely the responsibility of the parent."
Also, when the parent uses wise discernment to raise a child in the correct way, then the blessings come back to them in numerous ways. or the parent curses themselves by raising a troubled child without the proper love, wisdom, and knowledge, which then seems like an exhausting burden to the parent, yet the whole thing is the responsibility of the parent, so it is they who decide whether the presence of a child will be a blessing or a curse, in the end. but never does this make the child a blessing or a curse, since whether the child's existence is beneficial or burdensome is always determined by the actions of the parent, and therefore never rests solely on the existence of the child.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: Tycoda]
#19342912 - 12/29/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A responsibility.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: tribesman]
#19346604 - 12/30/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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there is a serous lack of good people in the world. and stupid people breeding is not the problem. IMO its the people who dont want kids that clam the blame.
having kids is one of the most fulfilling things i have done or anyone can ever do.
in the eyes of a child mom and dad are gods.you to can use your godly powers to mold a baby into a great human being!
is it worth it? your damn skippy it is!
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: skullphuxxx]
#19348297 - 12/30/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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there is a serous lack of good people in the world. and stupid people breeding is not the problem. IMO its the people who dont want kids that clam the blame.
How so? I & other who don't have kids will leave very little trace behind.
Personally all this "god is good" stuff makes me sick. Breeders, at their worst, seem to me like zombies from some kind of bizarre apocalypse dreamed up by the most perverted person imaginable, perhaps Walt Disney or someone alike. Yet I think when you see these people at the core they are full of social anxieties, depravities etc. and things aren't quite as they pretend, that's the rebel element I guess and the part I empathise with.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: Grapefruit]
#19348955 - 12/30/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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there is a serous lack of good people in the world. and stupid people breeding is not the problem. IMO its the people who dont want kids that clam the blame.
How so? I & other who don't have kids will leave very little trace behind.
yeah i don't see how that makes sense. from the point of view of maintaining a healthy planet, we're the good people for not wanting to bear more pollution producing offspring. should we just shit out more kids and hope that we win some good ones? i don't think it's that simple. we gotta work on the crap that we got and learn how to deal with our current issues instead of spreading it all out like wildfire.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: Tycoda]
#19350534 - 12/31/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tycoda said: For the sake of clarification, i will rephrase my words.
"Until a child reaches adulthood, they can only live the life that it is provided for them, so they cannot be a blessing or curse - that is entirely the responsibility of the parent."
Also, when the parent uses wise discernment to raise a child in the correct way, then the blessings come back to them in numerous ways. or the parent curses themselves by raising a troubled child without the proper love, wisdom, and knowledge, which then seems like an exhausting burden to the parent, yet the whole thing is the responsibility of the parent, so it is they who decide whether the presence of a child will be a blessing or a curse, in the end. but never does this make the child a blessing or a curse, since whether the child's existence is beneficial or burdensome is always determined by the actions of the parent, and therefore never rests solely on the existence of the child.
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to me kids are like a new book in your life
fucking new chapter isn't even the right phrase...everything before kids was a party
i love them, and it is a whole new experience...its one thing to have someone else's kids around, but when they are yours its that much better
this is my opinion..i mean i know people who have kids and just jetted on out...kind of low down...i get it, but man...it is soooo wrong
again...i have a kid so i am a little biased...what blows my mind is that there is still so much more to experience and to tell you the truth i can't wait. I almost honestly don't remember my life before this kid came along...i remember things, but as far as what i did on a day-to-day basis....not a clue
like i said...its like the beginning of a new life (I'd venture to say it is like being reborn because you live through their experiences in a way)
a new book entirely
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This thread hits close to home. My partner of 5 years just hit me with the "I can't wait for kids anymore..." ultimatum. I don't know what to do. Part of me feels like it's time to put away childish things and take the next step in life, and the other part of me just wants to keep my freedom. I've avoided making commitments for selfish reasons in the past and have regretted, but I also don't want to regret having a child one day. I think that's one of the worst things you can do to a kid.
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An instinctual part of myself is no doubt driven to have children...
But the mind I have developed due to the life I have had screams into the depths of my being how foolish it would be...
I don't think people truly take into consideration what it means to bring another human into this world, and just like 'falling in love' and going into a relationship, they are driven by their own selfish feelings about it and do not take into consideration in honest what it will mean for this other being and how it will effect them...
If people are unable to truly see past their own selfish feelings about things, I don't think they are prepared to sincerely and earnestly help another being 'come into being'... IMO, its a shame our biology supersedes that. What a hypothetically wonderful world it would be if biologically the only people that could breed were those who could in earnest, be earnest and not contribute to damn near genocide worthy shit like this.
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Re: Children - blessing or curse? [Re: Raven Gnosis]
#19355311 - 01/01/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 29 days ago) |
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Whoop whoop Juggalo for life! teach your kids how to think not what to think.
much clown love!
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