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driedfungi
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PMP tek
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Hello, I'm just about to begin ordering parts for my pmp. Now I've never cultivated my own shrooms but after spending way too much money on a few trips because they're pretty rare around the Midwest, I decided to do my own pf tek with a PMP. I've read the pf tek article countless times but I just want to make sure my method will work.
I'll be working with the following parts: 55 qrt clear Rubbermaid type container Small clip lamp w/ 5000-6500k light Submersible aquarium heater 2x 18" bubble wall tubes 2 outlet aquarium air pump Humidor hygrometer/thermometer (calibrated, of course) Geolite, verm, perlite, ect
I plan on running the FC on the top shelf in a closet, while trying to keep the door open a decent amount of time each day. Also, I'll be running the lamp on a 12 hr timer. My apartment is rather small and it is quite dry and cold here during the winter months so I will begin running a humidifier to keep the ambient humidity at a decent level. I plan on ordering equador cubes from a sponsor in the next few weeks. Does anyone see any issues with my fruiting chamber or it's placement?
Edited to remove sponsor's name
Edited by driedfungi (12/24/13 10:58 PM)
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I would suggest going with a SGFC instead of a PMP setup.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
It requires just a tub with holes and perlite with no need for hygrometers or air pumps or heaters.
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driedfungi
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The reason I do not want to go with a SGFC is because of the constant misting and fanning. I want to go with something that is relatively automated. Also, it's really dry and cold here so I'll need to keep the chamber a few degrees above ambient. As I understand it, the PMP is constructed as so:
1. Attaching bubble walls and heater to bottom of tank whilst running the tubing through the side and sealing the holes with hot glue
2. Filling the chamber with about 3.5-4.5 inches of hydroton and an additional inch of moist perlite
3. Filling the chamber with mineral water until it about covers the hydroton
4. Drilling two small holes in the top of the chamber, I'm thinking about 3/8" each, right or no?
Any reason I should be using a SGFC besides it being my first grow?
Edited by driedfungi (12/24/13 11:24 PM)
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SGFC is easier to dial in properly. PMP is a bunch of extra stuff to buy. When you find out how inferior a PMP is, you just wasted a bunch of money on crap you'll never use again.
If you are worried about misting and fanning because you aren't going to be available to care for your mushies at all times... Make a monotub. I don't think a monotub is any harder to pull off then cakes in another terrarium. You NEED to have a Pressure Cooker though. A simple search for monotub in the search function will show you hundreds of threads on them! It is more work, but you will get more for your effort than you will with cakes.
If you have a PC, make a monotub. My 2 cents.
Edited by Habadashery (12/24/13 11:26 PM)
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dude ... I hate myself for saying this but pmp most likely wont get you the results you want .... if its just you go bottle tek or cup if more go mini mono in sgfc or mono entirely ...just my 2 cents I've crept these forms enough and Jhon Does pmp/autofc/grand invention ....didnt work as well as those methods and they cost less.
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Need a pc is a strong statement but it is preffered, you can get by with misting/fanning twice a day with no issues in a sgfc and when u run into problems there easier for us to troubleshoot
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Yea I did a couple tubs successfully without a PC. But was more failures than successes for sure. Trying to be cheap almost never pays off in my life experience. I've learned this lesson soooo many times :P So I bought a presto, and that was a whole new lesson in itself haha. Now I got a AA930!
But I'm on the mycology wagon for life, if your just growing a little, and no PC, you CAN still make it work!
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Yeah I went through some ruff shit n lost my equipment but have been steaming my grains, takes all fucking day but it works, even got clean cultures to use.
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driedfungi
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Hmmm, a monotub might be on the horizon. From what I've read it isn't difficult. However, I have no idea how I would keep it warm or humid enough. I've heard they heat themselves and keep themselves very moist but how does this happen? Is there any misting and fanning involved with a monotub?
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Monotubs use the water content of the big bulk sub to maintain humidity and a large sub produces a lot of heat for sure. You can do monos in any size however and are for the most part set and forget for at least the first flush. Room temps are fine for a mono, as they are for all stages of the grow.
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I like a PMP setup. Its a little more money but its fun IMO. If you set it up just right you can neglect it quite a bit and still have good results. I've had cakes flush and flush until they're the size of a bouncy ball. Make your holes like a mono and run a fan to circulate air in the room. At first I would let the cakes sit on the geo-lite and drink from the water, but the mycelium would get messy. Later on I quit that and just misted here and there, and started dunking in between flushes. If you let them consolidate long enough, you'll usually have fruit in a few days anyway. Then re-dunk and fruit again... and again... and again... I don't remember fanning or misting much, especially when they were sitting on the geo-lite.
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driedfungi
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Thanks for the info, the only issue I am concerned about is how far up to make the holes in the monotub? I realize that you want the bottoms of the holes to be just on top of your sub, but how does one know how far the sub will fill the tub? 4 inches is the recommended amount I hear
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driedfungi said: The reason I do not want to go with a SGFC is because of the constant misting and fanning.
You would still have to manually mist the cakes in a PMP.....you cannot get away from this with cakes.
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driedfungi said: 1. Attaching bubble walls and heater to bottom of tank whilst running the tubing through the side and sealing the holes with hot glue
You never want to heat the chamber....heat the room.
Heating the chamber will mess up your RH.
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driedfungi said: 3. Filling the chamber with mineral water until it about covers the hydroton
Just tap water is fine.
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driedfungi said: 4. Drilling two small holes in the top of the chamber, I'm thinking about 3/8" each, right or no?
Any reason I should be using a SGFC besides it being my first grow?
A pump is not going to give you the right amount of FAE......A SGFC will.
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Habadashery said: If you are worried about misting and fanning because you aren't going to be available to care for your mushies at all times... Make a monotub. I don't think a monotub is any harder to pull off then cakes in another terrarium. You NEED to have a Pressure Cooker though. A simple search for monotub in the search function will show you hundreds of threads on them! It is more work, but you will get more for your effort than you will with cakes.
No one needs a pressure cooker to spawn BRF cakes to bulk.
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Actually NH, you don't HAVE to mist if your cakes can drink from the water under them. It's not as good as misting IME, but it does keep your cakes from drying out. My buddy completely neglected his cakes in a PMP I built for him. No misting, no fanning, no dunk-n-roll, and he still got a decent final yield. Birthed the cakes, rinsed, tossed in tub. Was like 5-6 flushes and the cakes were little blue disks when he was done, but still. Not sure you could pull that in a shotgun.
I'm not arguing that its better than a SGFC at all, just think its fun to do, looks/sounds cool, and can allow a bit more negligence if set up properly. More work, more money and usually not worth it unless its something you feel like doing for fun.
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Thanks for all the info, everyone! I'll definitely be doing a monotub tek with coir and WBS. Feel free to lock this thread up.
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