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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Mateo]
#24976868 - 02/08/18 04:37 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice plants.
Caapi strains are a myth though
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Re: <font style="vertical-align: inherit;"><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Re: B. ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! </font></font> [Re: Mateo] 2
#24978293 - 02/09/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateo said: I have 3 caapi plants growing indoors. I sadly have lost their nametags so i no longer know what kind they are. At one point in time i at least had White, Yellow, Red and Black vaietys, maybee even some other one. Now only 3 vines are left and i cant see the differences between them.
Now my cuestion. Can i propagate a cutting simply by cutting a vine and put it into soil? Or do i need rooting hormone, some time in water then soil. Or maybe rooting hormone and just put in water until i see roots? Do you know how to sucessfully root cuttings from these vines?
Intresting with the chewing method of the vine.
Hello mateo don, are mistakes that usually happen but then take some problems in the future, so I can tell you the following, on how to identify the caapi, in the growth shows facets that determine the variety, some vines are simply creepers while that others maintain an erect stem, the shape of the leaves also determines the variety I remember when I got my first caapi cuttings I was guided by the color and texture of the trunk of the caapi, I think I can help you in posterity with the identification but something I have clear: red caapi has the red, chipped, fibrous stem and bends, has ovoid leaves and pronounces, its taste is bitter and of all the caapis it is the most purgative, the leaves are tiny but numerous yellow caapi: hard bark, erect stem, hard center, sweet and smooth flavor, ovoid leaf with the pointed tip small leaves, sometimes leaves three leaves per knot sky: has straight, smooth stem, sweet taste and green flesh, large ovoid leaves thunder or black: it has the stem erect, hard, does not bend, leaves tiny and numerous, the stem is black, green leaves entangled
so I start with the variety of red caapi:

 

now I help you with cieloyage:
  
 
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  Now for the form of cutting I can give you a hand with the following data: in the following way you must make the cuttings, the first way to make cuttings is to cut a mature branch that already has a considerable thickness but this has between 2-3 knots or levels, to make rooting you should do the following, prepare the soil and the trunk of caapi you must bury a few centimeters with soil and use a humidity dome for several months, it is not necessary to use rooting hormone but delayed more in appearing brotos , if you have containers in which the knots of the trunk do not fit vertically you can bury two knots and leaving one uncovered vertically, you should use a humidity trap and never remove it because otherwise they will rot or dry out.
the second way is with a mature stem cutting, when the caapi has high humidity the knots between the leaves, even if it is a green stem while the root is in a moisture trap, that is to say, a cutting with already ripe leaves the knots will develop root and you can do the layered technique by burying the aerial root of the caapi and leaving it in the dome until you can exert the cut and so you have a new plant of equal quality to the mother plant the third form is to directly bury the stem in the root and to treat with rooting hormone
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 Data on chewing caapi: Venezuelans use the caapi trunk although they actually chew the root, but also caapi leaves and stems usually work very well as imao, Venezuelans use the caapi chewed, have different varieties of caapi as caupuri or ourinhos or a variety that is directly called caapi as imao, these range from mild to strong, the method of chewing and spitting ensures the inhibition of monoamine oxidase correctly with a finger length of one finger per person to inhibit the mao are stomach discomfort or vomiting .
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Re: <font style="vertical-align: inherit;"><font style="vertical-align: inherit;">Re: B. ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! </font></font> [Re: abraxxas]
#24978424 - 02/09/18 11:02 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: MoonFarmer]
#24978591 - 02/09/18 12:21 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Very interesting abraxxas, thank you for the information. I think the layering method to produce new caapi plants would work good here. I will try it.
When it is day tomorrow, i will take a few photos of my caapi plants and present them here so all can see.
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Mateo]
#24980577 - 02/10/18 10:07 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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So i dont know what strain or variety these are as i lost the labels.
First one.
 Stem
   The leafs are more long and thinner than the others.
Second one.
 Stem
 Leaf
Third one.
 Stem
    Leaf This one has a darker green leaf color and the stem looks different.
They aren´t so big. I had to cut away big parts when i moved to the new house. They had climbed and entangeled with eachother as well as with things in the house so i had to cut big parts off.
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Mateo]
#24985517 - 02/11/18 11:34 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mateo said: So i dont know what strain or variety these are as i lost the labels.
First one.
 Stem
   The leafs are more long and thinner than the others.
Second one.
 Stem
 Leaf
Third one.
 Stem
    Leaf This one has a darker green leaf color and the stem looks different.
They aren´t so big. I had to cut away big parts when i moved to the new house. They had climbed and entangeled with eachother as well as with things in the house so i had to cut big parts off.
These forms of caapi mateo are very rare, I am sure that the shape of the leaf also determines its variety, I can only destinguir yellow, which is long greenish leaf and red is dark leaf, the other varieties are still difficult to recognize, I give you an advice and I see that it snows and it is cold where you are, here in the tropics even with warm climates I use humidity trap for months, so you guarantee more numerous sprouts per trunk, when you guarantee heat and humidity caapi have a create many knots, apical pruning makes more numerous the range of branches that develops.


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
#24986466 - 02/11/18 03:42 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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In winter time here, it is very dry air so humidity is low indoors. I have no room in my growtent for the caapi so they grow in the windows. In summer i can more easy increase humidity but not very much. They grow OK in the windows but im sure they could grow much faster and better given the right conditions.
So the long leaf might be Yellow strain and the darker leaves RED strain. Very nice, thank you.
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Mateo]
#24998837 - 02/16/18 01:46 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can someone identify if these seeds are caapi?
 
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
#24998872 - 02/16/18 02:04 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im not sure but caapi seeds do look very similar. Been so long since i had any.
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Mateo]
#24998942 - 02/16/18 02:37 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sorry to say but that doesn't look like it to me. If you have maple trees in your area, caapi seeds look very similar to maple seeds.
Here are some var. caupuri seeds I recently imported from Brazil:

The sprouts in your pics don't look right either, in my experience caapi doesn't have cotyledons, it puts out real leave straight away. Here are some of my sprouts from last year:
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: MeanGreen]
#24999131 - 02/16/18 04:03 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah MG those are the ones. Thats how they look, remember now.
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Mateo]
#25001612 - 02/17/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks . boys
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
#25034733 - 03/02/18 09:14 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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This one came as a little baby plant, it's about 3 years old.

These are some little ones propagated by cutting last year.

It was a ittle bumpy when I first started growing caapi, killed my first plant, killed my first cuttings. Now it kind of has weed status around here 
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Sweet! What strains you growing? Mine just woke up from winter
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I think they were given as Yellow.
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These are my two caapi vines. I’m utterly clueless as to the strain. The larger one is in front of a southwest facing window and gets quite a bit of light each day whereas the smaller one is across the room and gets very little light. They both dropped most of their leaves in late fall when I moved them to this room but after they got settled they both started growing well again. The smaller one that’s exposed to less light has much smaller leaves. I don’t know if it’s a strain difference or a light difference. They only get watered sparingly but are both in, roughly, 15 gallon pots so it stays pretty moist. The larger one has been growing like crazy the last couple of weeks. I’m toying with the idea of moving them outside for the summer. I had to awesome little vines last year that I was very happy with the growth on but both started to wither and die in the fall and I couldn’t find the cause. I’d really like to find out what strain these are but there is surprisingly little information on identification.
This is the larger of the two:
And this is the smaller one:
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: PinkTarantula]
#25119530 - 04/06/18 08:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: MoonFarmer]
#25526423 - 10/10/18 09:29 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are overnight temps in the low 50s too cold for a ~2ft vine?
I'm trying to avoid it going dormant before I bring it in for the winter.
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: MoonFarmer]
#25526667 - 10/10/18 11:26 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not sure how I missed this thread. I just recently started growing caapi this past year and have one large established plant as well as two seedlings that are working towards being established.
Will have to post pictures soon.
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Acaterpillar]
#25526839 - 10/10/18 12:42 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mine are now grown up in the trees so they are staying put. Last year I had a cappi in a 3 gallon pot survive very cold temps.
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