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Galidor4
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19585010 - 02/18/14 12:50 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is after a week of being misted several times a day, with a gallon Ziploc bag, hemp twine tied to the pot to ensure a stable environment.



just last night I poked two holes in the bag with an Exato knife, on opposite sides of the bag. I've heard that they're quite able to acclimate to most any climate and so I'm going to, very very slowly, try and acclimate it to a Colorado dry climate. Fingers crossed
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19585208 - 02/18/14 01:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been meaning to post my pictures of seedlings/cuttings.
Received rooted cuttings and started acclimating them immediately indoors with no humid tent.
They were labeled cielo and white. The cielo is growing much quicker but has slowed down from the cold weather. Even indoors with the central heat going, they're doing good.
Also started seeds tunkunaca, red, and black. They're in a seed starter flat with a humid dome....growing beautifully.
I'll be back with pictures.
Edited by 1234go (10/28/20 08:18 AM)
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: 1234go]
#19586350 - 02/18/14 05:41 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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So will these guys not survive a freezing winter?
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: TeamMark]
#19587699 - 02/18/14 10:32 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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They will survive short dips below freezing and mild frosts especially if in more protected positions. They will usually come back from closer the ground as well if there was a bad freeze. I'd say the zone limit is probably close to USDA 8b/9a. This year all of my more established ones (in ground and pot) survived a couple of freezes including a prolonged ~25 F spell with ice which killed my Musa sp. but didn't touch anything else except for a bit of frost damage. They are slightly protected so maybe it was closer to ~28 F. The most unprotected and youngest parts (8+ ft above ground) of one 'Cielo' totally died.
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Galidor4
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
#19588090 - 02/19/14 12:20 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm very interested in the other varieties, definitely keep us updated on those seedlings
Edited by Galidor4 (02/20/14 06:33 PM)
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19589495 - 02/19/14 11:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum] 1
#19663052 - 03/07/14 11:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I woke up this morning to find that I had forgotten to replace the gal bag on the caapi, for humidity, yesterday. Luckily, I've spent the last few weeks acclimating the plant and so it doesn't seem to have had any negative affects, fingers crossed.

I am curious as to what these rust colored spots are that have shown up on some leaves, anyone got any idea?

Also, a couple days ago I noticed that the newer leaves were a bit more yellow than the first few sets. So, I added a little bit of "acid loving" fertilizer as a top dressing.
Edited by Galidor4 (03/07/14 05:22 PM)
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19664953 - 03/07/14 08:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your plant looks very healthy! I don't have the reference for this but I've read that the plants continually lose old leaves and grow new ones; One of my plants has those rust colored spots on its older leaves, and eventually they yellow and fall off; I think I can see the starting of the yellowing on yours.
This hasn't really been an issue for me because it's bursting with growth, but I'd watch it closely just to make sure. I'll upload a picture of mine once I can get to my camera.
Two plants have survived (another stalled on its first leaves), and the tallest one actually lost all of its old leaves when it went underneath the hid bulb to the rust-yellowing condition. While the majority of leaves yellowed and fell, two more grew, and stayed green, and now another couple of sets have sprouted, although it is still pretty spindly.
So it could be a reaction to the environmental change. Did you notice them before the bag came off?
Don't take my word for this, but I've thrown in my two cents
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Joker Flash]
#19665004 - 03/07/14 08:29 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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They started doing that pretty soon after I got it and it started sprouting new... vines? I thought it wasn't supposed to vine til it was like 2 years old but the new sprouts seem like vines, maybe that reveals it's age. I think the spots could have to do with the plastic bag it's under or the fact that the leaves are occasionally up against the bag so either nasty chemicals or lack of humidity. I'll find out sooner or later. Hopefully it was just a nutrient thing. I do know chlorine is bad for Caapi but I water with distilled water, so I dunno if that's the reason.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19667363 - 03/08/14 12:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lookin good guys!! I love seeing other people's plants
Here's my baby. She is a Cielo caapi grown from seed, started last summer. I have been clipping her to keep her at this height.
Going to repot her into a more suitable pot this spring, the clay pot works OK but doesn't hold moisture well enough.
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shiny green ! she seems healthy !!
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: sidvivius]
#19671797 - 03/09/14 02:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
#19672128 - 03/09/14 03:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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semaphore said:You gonna have a problem with hydroponic caapi. Firstly it takes at least 4 years before you can harvest, it gets massive, the root system will surely destroy or engulf your hydro setup. It really is not worth the effort, expense, water, nutrients, fuss, mess. Stick it in a pot (big one) or in the ground.
4 yrs? FOUR FUCKING YEARS? Are you serious? If you live in a climate where you can grow this year round, do so. It's sure to be a money maker in years to come due to the rapid deforestation of South America. Syrian Rue is not the same experience from what I understand. The Shamans of South America mostly contend that B. Caapi is the main guiding ingredient in Ayahuasca experiences and that the other plants only influence it.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: FrostyC]
#19679159 - 03/11/14 12:42 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I completely agree. And I've read quite a few reports of people who acclimate caapi to various climates. I live in Colorado and it seems to be acclimating pretty well, fingers crossed. What I'm getting at, is that I believe most anyone can grow caapi, in most climates.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19685600 - 03/12/14 12:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said: I completely agree. And I've read quite a few reports of people who acclimate caapi to various climates. I live in Colorado and it seems to be acclimating pretty well, fingers crossed. What I'm getting at, is that I believe most anyone can grow caapi, in most climates.
I really wish I could grow this here, but as it gets so large I can't keep it inside. Also, we recently had a few below 0°F days, so I know it won't survive 4 winters outdoors. Colorado has quite the milder climate than the eastern U.S. I live in Kentucky, and while we have an excellent climate for Morning Glories, Tobacco, Cannabis, & most other plants that produce well seasonally, our winters are too harsh for most vegetation to survive year-round. Some trees can cope with our climate too. I'm currently trying to get a Kratom tree strong enough to survive winters here with little success. This only strengthens my skepticism on whether Caapi is suitable for growth here.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: FrostyC]
#19685650 - 03/12/14 12:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you get 0 F, then you definitely can not grow either caapi or kratom without some sort of winter protection. Temperatures below 30 to 25 F are devestating to both.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
#19688768 - 03/12/14 11:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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naum said: If you get 0 F, then you definitely can not grow either caapi or kratom without some sort of winter protection. Temperatures below 30 to 25 F are devestating to both.
I've seen Kratom survive 10° F. 10° less in dormancy, doesn't seem like a huge stretch if it's well established first. I'm going to try to put it ~3 feet in the ground. This will help reduce the likelihood of the roots becoming completely frozen. Especially if I cover it up with something on those super cold days until I think it can handle it. We usually don't have more than a day of below 0 at a time. It may die, but I'm gonna have to risk it. It's just too big to stay inside any longer. I am probably going to clone it before the season ends anyway, but it'd be nice to have a Kratom Strain that can accept harsh winter. "Kentucky Kratom", that has a nice ring to it.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: FrostyC]
#19690381 - 03/13/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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As someone who just had to cut back several well-established trees and all of my well-established caapi due unseasonably cold weather (~23 F), you are mistaken. No doubt that some protection or even just the microenviroment of a specific plant can add a zone or two of protection, but 0 F and 10 F just are not going to happen with M. speciosa or B. caapi.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
#19692855 - 03/13/14 08:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Keeping tabs on this topic! Nice plants people Now to hunt for seeds!
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
#19693078 - 03/13/14 09:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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naum said: As someone who just had to cut back several well-established trees and all of my well-established caapi due unseasonably cold weather (~23 F), you are mistaken. No doubt that some protection or even just the microenviroment of a specific plant can add a zone or two of protection, but 0 F and 10 F just are not going to happen with M. speciosa or B. caapi.
I can imagine that this winter killed a whole lot of plants of a wide variety all over the country, shit got stupid cold all over.

Some day I will have a small greenhouse with some caapi. Some day.
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