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B. Caapi growers unite! 1
#19320976 - 12/24/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just like the other threads here that are dedicated to a specific plant or species. I'd like to start a thread to talk about and just display B. Caapi plants.
I guess I'll start with a question I have, I recently got a a few b. caapi unrooted cuttings. I've placed them in a jar with water and a bag over it to contain humidity. I soaked them first in GA-3 before replacing the water.
here's a picture
 My question is this: are those little green things growing off the nodes, roots or leaves? They didn't develop under the water, they actually developed in the humid air.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19322418 - 12/24/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's new growth and not roots. Roots will develop lower down on the nodes in water.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: karode13]
#19323180 - 12/24/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Word, and do they normally start new growth before roots? As well as I could have had the sticks upside down. I tried to gather the best estimated guess I could as to which way was up, but I'm not perfect.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19323964 - 12/25/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edit: Recent pic.
Viridis 1/15

Edited by semaphore (12/25/13 04:16 AM)
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
#19324583 - 12/25/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oooooooooooooooo, very nice. Very promising.
Some of mine have began to sprout, i'll be reporting back.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: 1234go]
#19324598 - 12/25/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have never grown caapi before but am just getting into it now! I have a green thumb and a horticulture diploma so I am really looking forward to this!! I want to try and grow the caapi in a aquaponic system under 135w LED for supplemental (spectrum specific) lighting and Ill have a 400w HPS as the main light, maybe a 200w CFL, I havent decided, I already own the LED (which works fucking awesome, LED is underappreciated)so I will be using it regardless but I will get another light.
Anyone know of any aqua/hydroponic B. caapi grows?
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Zombi3]
#19324617 - 12/25/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zombi3 said: I have never grown caapi before but am just getting into it now! I have a green thumb and a horticulture diploma so I am really looking forward to this!! I want to try and grow the caapi in a aquaponic system under 135w LED for supplemental (spectrum specific) lighting and Ill have a 400w HPS as the main light, maybe a 200w CFL, I havent decided, I already own the LED (which works fucking awesome, LED is underappreciated)so I will be using it regardless but I will get another light.
Anyone know of any aqua/hydroponic B. caapi grows?
You gonna have a problem with hydroponic caapi. Firstly it takes at least 4 years before you can harvest, it gets massive, the root system will surely destroy or engulf your hydro setup. It really is not worth the effort, expense, water, nutrients, fuss, mess. Stick it in a pot (big one) or in the ground.
400watt will be sufficient no need to supplement with the LED.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
#19324631 - 12/25/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Not hydro, aquaponic system, it combines aquaculture and hydroponics, I in effect produce my own nutrients and so I need not worry about how pricey they would be. I will use drastically reduced amount of water when compared to soil growing or hydro growing, the self cleaning and recirculating nature of a aqua system is key. Supplemental light is never a bad idea. I CAN grow massive and excessive root stocks in a aqua system without worry of any harm to the system, if your roots can negatively affect your aqua/hydro system then your doing it wrong.
I just looked up all the specs on caapi and actually it isnt very well suited for what I want to do. I will be using phalaris grass in a flood and drain hydroton bed. 6' x 8' x 8" bed, should crop out large.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Zombi3]
#19324640 - 12/25/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zombi3 said: Not hydro, aquaponic system, it combines aquaculture and hydroponics, I in effect produce my own nutrients and so I need not worry about how pricey they would be. I will use drastically reduced amount of water when compared to soil growing or hydro growing, the self cleaning and recirculating nature of a aqua system is key. Supplemental light is never a bad idea. I CAN grow massive and excessive root stocks in a aqua system without worry of any harm to the system, if your roots can negatively affect your aqua/hydro system then your doing it wrong.
I just looked up all the specs on caapi and actually it isnt very well suited for what I want to do. I will be using phalaris grass in a flood and drain hydroton bed. 6' x 8' x 8" bed, should crop out large.
I don't grow hydro/aqua as i prefer soil, its cheap and costs me nothing. I have 10x10m2 patch of phalaris brachystachys growing in my backyward.
Supplemental lights may not be a bad idea, but its unnecessary in this regard and as such a waste.
And with the amount of rain i get weekly water is in abundance.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
#19325497 - 12/25/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Being in Ontario I dont have the option to grow outdoors at this time of year and soil is messy indoors. I already have an aquaponic setup so it means nothing to me to add another flood bed and throw in a shit ton of phalaris. Is brachystachy the species you grow? I figured I would grow phalaris aquatica since it seems to be relativley high in DMT (for phalaris) and I can get seeds easy peasy.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Zombi3]
#19325993 - 12/25/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A friend of mine introduced me to aquaponics a few weeks ago, amazing shit!
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Zombi3]
#19326973 - 12/25/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Zombi3 said: Being in Ontario I dont have the option to grow outdoors at this time of year and soil is messy indoors. I already have an aquaponic setup so it means nothing to me to add another flood bed and throw in a shit ton of phalaris. Is brachystachy the species you grow? I figured I would grow phalaris aquatica since it seems to be relativley high in DMT (for phalaris) and I can get seeds easy peasy.
Phalaris aquatica has a variable alkaloid profile, one piece of grass may be higher than the other. Brachystachys is phalaris with the most stable profile and it also has lower gramine levels.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4] 1
#19329406 - 12/26/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dates are displayed if you hover over the photo!
Planted ten seeds,

Eight sprouted,

Five repotted outside seedling tray, but two died due to cold and humidity shock, three stalled inside seedling tray, three left growing

Now,

One is looking a bit wilted, but is perking up.
It's a bummer I've lost so many but I can't say I'm upset. All I really want is a large mother plant that I can take cuttings from, and any extra plants are just icing on the cake.
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Joker Flash said: Dates are displayed if you hover over the photo!
Planted ten seeds,

Eight sprouted,

Five repotted outside seedling tray, but two died due to cold and humidity shock, three stalled inside seedling tray, three left growing

Now,

One is looking a bit wilted, but is perking up.
It's a bummer I've lost so many but I can't say I'm upset. All I really want is a large mother plant that I can take cuttings from, and any extra plants are just icing on the cake.
Do not let the soil dry out. Thats like instant death for these plants.
Can't say mine have suffered any humidity shock, i just left them outside. Its currently 18.c outside with 86% humidity. But that's just because it was raining this morning, our humidity is usually around 45-50% constantly. Also those peat pots are very bad to grow these plants in i would get rid of them immediately.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
#19331254 - 12/27/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I removed the majority of the peat so they were in miracle grow soil, but still inside the netting, for convenience. They pretty much went from humid seedling tray to under a hps with a lot of ventilation though, but now I have them under a humidity tent.
I haven't let the soil dry out, I'm pretty obsessive about my watering because of my kratom. My growroom drops to about 65f at nights, and they wilt in the mornings. I've been putting them on top of my fridge recently and they haven't wilted since, and the one that was bad is perking up slowly.
I think I was just too rough with them, they went from humidity and weak cfl lighting to full blown hps and dry/cold conditions. I'm fairly certain all of the remaining three I have will make it I just haven't been giving them as much attention as they want because of the holidays
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Nice they should turn around pretty fast, these are strong little plants. I've lost about four from over fertilizing thou. But my others are 100%.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
#19331287 - 12/27/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That sucks to hear!
But you have plenty others! It's pretty cool to see so many in one place! Keep us updated
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19553139 - 02/11/14 04:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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So the first batch of cuttings I got, and pictured above, I got too antsy with and took them out of the water too early.
This particular one has the most growth of the 3. None have roots but all have signs of some getting ready to pop through.

This cutting I just got within the last week, it's looking way better than any cutting I've gotten in the past, by this time. The browning on the bottom left leaf is from the first day when the bag I'm using as a humidity dome was pressed up against the leaf.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19556525 - 02/12/14 09:39 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Think I have lost 3-4 b caapi plants... Over or under water, mold, etc. Have had little luck with them and that pisses me off
Sorry for the whine... Seem to be able to grow most plants but not b caapi
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: HarryL]
#19559939 - 02/13/14 12:55 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's exactly why I started this thread, so I/we can figure out a solid way to grow this beautiful plant.
This is at least the 3rd rooted plant I've bought. It's in a pot with a bottom half of coco, where I placed the roots has got a good organic soil mix, then coco on top. I keep a gallon bag over it and I spray it with distiller water 3 or 4 times a day. It's started sprouting all around. Fingers crossed.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19585010 - 02/18/14 12:50 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is after a week of being misted several times a day, with a gallon Ziploc bag, hemp twine tied to the pot to ensure a stable environment.



just last night I poked two holes in the bag with an Exato knife, on opposite sides of the bag. I've heard that they're quite able to acclimate to most any climate and so I'm going to, very very slowly, try and acclimate it to a Colorado dry climate. Fingers crossed
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19585208 - 02/18/14 01:34 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been meaning to post my pictures of seedlings/cuttings.
Received rooted cuttings and started acclimating them immediately indoors with no humid tent.
They were labeled cielo and white. The cielo is growing much quicker but has slowed down from the cold weather. Even indoors with the central heat going, they're doing good.
Also started seeds tunkunaca, red, and black. They're in a seed starter flat with a humid dome....growing beautifully.
I'll be back with pictures.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: 1234go]
#19586350 - 02/18/14 05:41 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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So will these guys not survive a freezing winter?
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: TeamMark]
#19587699 - 02/18/14 10:32 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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They will survive short dips below freezing and mild frosts especially if in more protected positions. They will usually come back from closer the ground as well if there was a bad freeze. I'd say the zone limit is probably close to USDA 8b/9a. This year all of my more established ones (in ground and pot) survived a couple of freezes including a prolonged ~25 F spell with ice which killed my Musa sp. but didn't touch anything else except for a bit of frost damage. They are slightly protected so maybe it was closer to ~28 F. The most unprotected and youngest parts (8+ ft above ground) of one 'Cielo' totally died.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
#19588090 - 02/19/14 12:20 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm very interested in the other varieties, definitely keep us updated on those seedlings
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19589495 - 02/19/14 11:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum] 1
#19663052 - 03/07/14 11:52 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I woke up this morning to find that I had forgotten to replace the gal bag on the caapi, for humidity, yesterday. Luckily, I've spent the last few weeks acclimating the plant and so it doesn't seem to have had any negative affects, fingers crossed.

I am curious as to what these rust colored spots are that have shown up on some leaves, anyone got any idea?

Also, a couple days ago I noticed that the newer leaves were a bit more yellow than the first few sets. So, I added a little bit of "acid loving" fertilizer as a top dressing.
Edited by Galidor4 (03/07/14 05:22 PM)
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19664953 - 03/07/14 08:12 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your plant looks very healthy! I don't have the reference for this but I've read that the plants continually lose old leaves and grow new ones; One of my plants has those rust colored spots on its older leaves, and eventually they yellow and fall off; I think I can see the starting of the yellowing on yours.
This hasn't really been an issue for me because it's bursting with growth, but I'd watch it closely just to make sure. I'll upload a picture of mine once I can get to my camera.
Two plants have survived (another stalled on its first leaves), and the tallest one actually lost all of its old leaves when it went underneath the hid bulb to the rust-yellowing condition. While the majority of leaves yellowed and fell, two more grew, and stayed green, and now another couple of sets have sprouted, although it is still pretty spindly.
So it could be a reaction to the environmental change. Did you notice them before the bag came off?
Don't take my word for this, but I've thrown in my two cents
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Joker Flash]
#19665004 - 03/07/14 08:29 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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They started doing that pretty soon after I got it and it started sprouting new... vines? I thought it wasn't supposed to vine til it was like 2 years old but the new sprouts seem like vines, maybe that reveals it's age. I think the spots could have to do with the plastic bag it's under or the fact that the leaves are occasionally up against the bag so either nasty chemicals or lack of humidity. I'll find out sooner or later. Hopefully it was just a nutrient thing. I do know chlorine is bad for Caapi but I water with distilled water, so I dunno if that's the reason.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19667363 - 03/08/14 12:01 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lookin good guys!! I love seeing other people's plants
Here's my baby. She is a Cielo caapi grown from seed, started last summer. I have been clipping her to keep her at this height.
Going to repot her into a more suitable pot this spring, the clay pot works OK but doesn't hold moisture well enough.
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shiny green ! she seems healthy !!
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: sidvivius]
#19671797 - 03/09/14 02:09 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
#19672128 - 03/09/14 03:32 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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semaphore said:You gonna have a problem with hydroponic caapi. Firstly it takes at least 4 years before you can harvest, it gets massive, the root system will surely destroy or engulf your hydro setup. It really is not worth the effort, expense, water, nutrients, fuss, mess. Stick it in a pot (big one) or in the ground.
4 yrs? FOUR FUCKING YEARS? Are you serious? If you live in a climate where you can grow this year round, do so. It's sure to be a money maker in years to come due to the rapid deforestation of South America. Syrian Rue is not the same experience from what I understand. The Shamans of South America mostly contend that B. Caapi is the main guiding ingredient in Ayahuasca experiences and that the other plants only influence it.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: FrostyC]
#19679159 - 03/11/14 12:42 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I completely agree. And I've read quite a few reports of people who acclimate caapi to various climates. I live in Colorado and it seems to be acclimating pretty well, fingers crossed. What I'm getting at, is that I believe most anyone can grow caapi, in most climates.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19685600 - 03/12/14 12:26 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said: I completely agree. And I've read quite a few reports of people who acclimate caapi to various climates. I live in Colorado and it seems to be acclimating pretty well, fingers crossed. What I'm getting at, is that I believe most anyone can grow caapi, in most climates.
I really wish I could grow this here, but as it gets so large I can't keep it inside. Also, we recently had a few below 0°F days, so I know it won't survive 4 winters outdoors. Colorado has quite the milder climate than the eastern U.S. I live in Kentucky, and while we have an excellent climate for Morning Glories, Tobacco, Cannabis, & most other plants that produce well seasonally, our winters are too harsh for most vegetation to survive year-round. Some trees can cope with our climate too. I'm currently trying to get a Kratom tree strong enough to survive winters here with little success. This only strengthens my skepticism on whether Caapi is suitable for growth here.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: FrostyC]
#19685650 - 03/12/14 12:36 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you get 0 F, then you definitely can not grow either caapi or kratom without some sort of winter protection. Temperatures below 30 to 25 F are devestating to both.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
#19688768 - 03/12/14 11:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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naum said: If you get 0 F, then you definitely can not grow either caapi or kratom without some sort of winter protection. Temperatures below 30 to 25 F are devestating to both.
I've seen Kratom survive 10° F. 10° less in dormancy, doesn't seem like a huge stretch if it's well established first. I'm going to try to put it ~3 feet in the ground. This will help reduce the likelihood of the roots becoming completely frozen. Especially if I cover it up with something on those super cold days until I think it can handle it. We usually don't have more than a day of below 0 at a time. It may die, but I'm gonna have to risk it. It's just too big to stay inside any longer. I am probably going to clone it before the season ends anyway, but it'd be nice to have a Kratom Strain that can accept harsh winter. "Kentucky Kratom", that has a nice ring to it.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: FrostyC]
#19690381 - 03/13/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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As someone who just had to cut back several well-established trees and all of my well-established caapi due unseasonably cold weather (~23 F), you are mistaken. No doubt that some protection or even just the microenviroment of a specific plant can add a zone or two of protection, but 0 F and 10 F just are not going to happen with M. speciosa or B. caapi.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
#19692855 - 03/13/14 08:58 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Keeping tabs on this topic! Nice plants people Now to hunt for seeds!
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
#19693078 - 03/13/14 09:49 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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naum said: As someone who just had to cut back several well-established trees and all of my well-established caapi due unseasonably cold weather (~23 F), you are mistaken. No doubt that some protection or even just the microenviroment of a specific plant can add a zone or two of protection, but 0 F and 10 F just are not going to happen with M. speciosa or B. caapi.
I can imagine that this winter killed a whole lot of plants of a wide variety all over the country, shit got stupid cold all over.

Some day I will have a small greenhouse with some caapi. Some day.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#19694849 - 03/14/14 10:59 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Galidor4!
Nice to see another Colorado grower on here!
I've got a single B cappi in my collection. I think she was originally a cutting that was rooted when I bought her. I'm happy to hear you have had success acclimating your plants to the dry air here.
Most of my plant died back last summer when plant sitter failed to water her while I was out of town. Fortunately she survived and has been putting out new growth.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
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naum said: As someone who just had to cut back several well-established trees and all of my well-established caapi due unseasonably cold weather (~23 F), you are mistaken. No doubt that some protection or even just the microenviroment of a specific plant can add a zone or two of protection, but 0 F and 10 F just are not going to happen with M. speciosa or B. caapi.
ferrel_human said his handled a freeze down to 19°F.
Different types of Kratom acclimate differently. It just all depends on how resilient a particular variety is. You can't possibly KNOW that it won't work. I have worked hard at hardening this Kratom tree, because our weather fluctuates from one extreme to another. It can snow one day, then we have 60°F day. Sometimes the temps only drop at night (this caused some leaf loss at first, but now it doesn't at all). When I first got it, anything below 60°F caused some wilting. Now I don't see any signs of wilting until it drops below 40°F. Life adapts. It will always try to find a way to live, even under inhospitable conditions. Just imagine if it becomes cold hardy & passes that adaptation to any offspring. Just imagine how much this would open up new zones for Kratom growing. I mean, it's worth a try right?
As I said, I am aware that it is unlikely it will survive, but it really is my only option & I am hopeful, but not disillusioned.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: FrostyC]
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And I contested his claim back then. First of all, the minimum temperature data for the past 10 years his locale shows no dip down to 19 F. Secondly, his tree is in a fairly protected position--and it was more protected when it was in pot--which is quite evident based on his pictures. That can add a zone of two worth of protection meaning that a 19 F (how long? wet?) as recorded by a weather station can actually be 29+ F at the tree.
Adaptation does not work the way you describe and it is a slow and painstaking process. There are a handful of cultivars in cultivation and I was growing every single one I could find a reference to until this past freeze. No one is working on breeding kratom as far as I'm aware and almost no one is getting it to flower reliably.
Sure, it's worth growing plants even in zones that do not favor them. I do however have a problem with people speading misinformation like kratom can survive a hard freeze of 10 F
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
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naum said: And I contested his claim back then. First of all, the minimum temperature data for the past 10 years his locale shows no dip down to 19 F. Secondly, his tree is in a fairly protected position--and it was more protected when it was in pot--which is quite evident based on his pictures. That can add a zone of two worth of protection meaning that a 19 F (how long? wet?) as recorded by a weather station can actually be 29+ F at the tree.
Adaptation does not work the way you describe and it is a slow and painstaking process. There are a handful of cultivars in cultivation and I was growing every single one I could find a reference to until this past freeze. No one is working on breeding kratom as far as I'm aware and almost no one is getting it to flower reliably.
Sure, it's worth growing plants even in zones that do not favor them. I do however have a problem with people speading misinformation like kratom can survive a hard freeze of 10 F
Yeah how long & how wet are the optimum questions to ask I guess. No one is spreading misinformation. No one said Kratom could handle a hard freeze of 10 F. Kratom CAN SURVIVE 10°F ambient temps (for a brief period). MY PLANT DID! This was NOT a wet freeze though. It lost some leaves & slowed the new leaves from growing a lot, but it survived about 8 hrs outside one night, because I forgot and left it out there all night. Is this spectacular news or something? I'm sure most plants can handle temps down to that cold FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD. We are talking about survival here, and you cannot definitively say that NO KRATOM PLANT WOULD EVER SURVIVE THIS. If you had 100 kratom trees & it went down to 10°F do you not think one would survive?
In horse racing terms (I am from KY ), you're betting on the favorite because the odds say he has the best chance of winning, but the long-shot has a bigger payoff.
Adaptation is the wrong word to use there. Thank you for that correction, you're right, adaptation DOES NOT work that way. "Conditioning" is closer to what I meant. Environmental changes have been known to kick-start evolutionary mutations in certain species, and is much safer than using something like colchicine to induce any mutation. I know the immediate offspring would not be THAT different. Hell, it may take an entire human lifetime or longer to force a GENETIC change like that. But it's worth a try, can't hurt, don't try this at home, your mileage may vary, results not typical. I got it man. Stop stepping on my optimism though. Sheesh!
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
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Sweet:) ive always wanted to grow N. Caapi but never did. This thread is making me want to again
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
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naum said: First of all, the minimum temperature data for the past 10 years his locale shows no dip down to 19 F.
Like temperature data from the news and internet? Those are just average and general temperature readings.

You can't possibly disclaim this from "temperature data". Cold snaps can happen that don't get recorded. And thus, scheduled cold weather can also NOT happen.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: 1234go]
#19708091 - 03/17/14 11:19 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you know where to look, you can get the actual daily minimum (not daily average) and in fact the whole weather station log though that gets to be a pain. So, yes it is possible to make the claim that the none of temperature stations in his locale never experienced the temperature he reported. Cold snaps get recorded and reported.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: naum]
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They can record every square inch of every square mile of every nook and cranny on earth? With precise timing and exact accuracy?
I'm not trying to antagonize, I definitely don't think I know it all. But that seems kinda stretched.
I've experienced many cold snaps that were never expected or reported by weather stations. And many warm days that were supposed to stay in the 50's.
So i'm just wondering how this makes sense. The stations are recording in that spot, and someones home say 15-20 miles away. Over the river and through the woods and down a cliff face can experience a colder/warmer temperature than a few temperature stations with some machines.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: 1234go]
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I missed this thread when lurking, posting to keep in threads.
Here's a current picture, I had to cut it back by about half when I moved earlier this month, is was getting long anyways.
Its losing some leaves because I forgot to water once last week, it will recover, my kratom lost all of its leaves I expect it to recover as well
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my b-caapi grown from seed last year.
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just got 4 cuttings ! any suggestions or methods to root these guys ? i got a cuttings with 4 leaves on it should i cut them off or keep 2 on ?
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For caapi specifically, I wouldn't touch the plant until you know EXACTLY how not to kill it. Otherwise you're bound to miss something, being as they're so damn finicky, but that's just my experience.
Anyways, when I get unrooted caapi, I put them in dh2o with around 250-300ppm of GA-3. I let them soak in that for 24 hours in a jar. I then change the water every day until I see roots. Usually, they sprout leaves first. And it can take up to 6 weeks or even longer to get roots.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
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Just got two B. Caapi plants (don't think I'm allowed to say where I bought from?) about 4 days ago, they arrived as root stockin pretty ordinary condition. Most definitely alive and well but the leaves were very wilted and as you can see very bruised. The top and bottom images are the 'cielo' plant 4 days after being potted and the middle two images are the 'Nuevo ola' plant 4 days after being potted.
They seem to be alive and semi-well but I'm not sure what else I can be doing to ensure their health, any tips?
Growing these makes me so excited for my future ethnobotanical garden, I'm going to attempt to set it up in a permaculture 'food forest' style environment so I'll just have to make sure I keep track of the plants so Christmas dinner isn't too exciting
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I received a beautiful lush caapi plant in a pot and put it in the ground not too long before things cooled down for winter. It froze back and I thought it was completely dead, just a few twigs. Then in spring it sprung forth a few shoots. Now its finally making some progress
here it is april 17

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Nice, very nice man. This gives me hope in putting mine in the ground, waitin' for spring.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
#21204996 - 01/30/15 11:32 PM (9 years, 11 hours ago) |
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Finally have something to add to this thread. Grew this plant from seed, had only 1/5 germinate, so I've been very slowly acclimating it to lest humidity, it has finally popped out of the dome and seems to be enjoying the fresh air.

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Just got two B. Caapi plants (don't think I'm allowed to say where I bought from?) about 4 days ago, they arrived as root stockin pretty ordinary condition. Most definitely alive and well but the leaves were very wilted and as you can see very bruised. The top and bottom images are the 'cielo' plant 4 days after being potted and the middle two images are the 'Nuevo ola' plant 4 days after being potted.
They seem to be alive and semi-well but I'm not sure what else I can be doing to ensure their health, any tips?
Growing these makes me so excited for my future ethnobotanical garden, I'm going to attempt to set it up in a permaculture 'food forest' style environment so I'll just have to make sure I keep track of the plants so Christmas dinner isn't too exciting 
I dunno, maybe someone else can verify, but those look hella dead
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
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You didn't make it clear if they were rooted when you got them or not. Cuttings usually drop all leaves when rooting but if they survive they will put out new leaves and grow tips.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Stonehenge]
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I have a caapi, cielo I'm pretty sure, that I was able to acclimate to Colorado temperature and humidity but it seems that some of its' newer leaves are turning a slightly lighter green as opposed to the dark green of some of the older leaves. Does anyone know what could be doing that?
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
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Have you fertilized it? probably lacking in nitrogen if you haven't.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: drakenov]
#21478505 - 03/30/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have but I'll add a little bit more just to be safe. Thank you!
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
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mine will eat all the fert I can give it loves the stuff..
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: drakenov]
#21489114 - 04/01/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you have a pic you can share? I'd love to see it and been meaning to post up pics of my yellow caapi and red caapi .. just got some black caapi seeds hoping they sprout but idk I'm late by a few months and think they aren't viable anymore.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: drakenov]
#21555148 - 04/16/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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So I've noticed over the last couple of weeks these weird lookin brown "pods" in certain places around the caapi. does anyone know what they are?
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Galidor4 said: So I've noticed over the last couple of weeks these weird lookin brown "pods" in certain places around the caapi. does anyone know what they are?
How big and what shape are the "pods"? They may be flowers forming but those would be tiny and green, no more than around 1/4" with multiples coming out. Its a little late in the year for that anyway, mine flower in late year and set seed around now.
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Stonehenge]
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They're very small ovals and not near the nodes exclusively
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Galidor4 said: They're very small ovals and not near the nodes exclusively
Caapi flowers start as small green balls and then turn red and open into hot pink flowers. At least on mine those are the colors. What you saw may have been from insect activity, perhaps a chrysalis stage.
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This is a B. caapi cutting that i'm training to grow around my bedroom. I recently transplanted this to the pot its in from a much smaller one and its putting out a lot of shoots as you can see in the third pic
  
Here is my P. alba, it dropped all its leaves for a third time and these are the new ones.

I'm training these houseplants like the B. Caapi. I believe they are Epipremnum aureu not sure though.
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This thread still used? I just found it lol, with this ban coming in uk not sure will be able to buy b caapi anymore, so im pondering buying seeds.
In uk will i be able to grow it indoors? Is it worth while do you think, i mean how much can be harvested per plant? Seems it takes a long time to grow to point of being able to use it. I have plenty of syrian rue which i guess can be used instead, and some chacruna seeds on order also, but i cant decide on b caapi if worth a go.
Anyway, just thought id come find you guys what know what your talking about! Some nice pics on this thread
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Spellbound]
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I'm so jealous at the people who can get their B. Caapi growing mine just lost all it's leaves! But I've heard this isn't a death sentence, the tips of it are still green, does that mean it's still alive?
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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: biased]
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I got two B. Caapi rooted plants about a month ago now, one Black, one Cielo. After dropping a bunch of it's leaves, the Black Caapi started sprouting a bunch of new ones, that seem to be doing well, though I've noticed some browning and curling up on the tips of one set of the new leaves, and I've been wondering/worrying about the way the other older leaves are browning and splitting. Several look like they won't be around much longer. Is this normal shedding like what happened when I first got it, or something more worrying going on? Should I be concerned about the browning and curling on some of the newer leaves (you can see both things in these photos, though the browning on the newest leaves is kinda hard to make out)? It also seems to have slowed way down after a week of explosive growth (all the new leaves you can see in the photos popped up in rapid succession, but nothing much has happened since):
Any thought's on what's going on with this guy or what I need to be doing to keep him healthy?
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The Cielo I got at the same time seemed healthier than the Black initially, but then lost all the leaves it came with; started growing a new shoot, some new leaves, but then that stalled out and only one of the four new little leaves it had grown is left, and it hasn't really gotten any bigger. There still seem to be some buds coming off of a couple places on the stem, but I'm worried about how this guy is faring. Any thoughts on what's going on or what I should be doing to get this guy back into good health? I've got both plants in my bathroom so that they get plenty of humidity. The normal humidity here is already pretty high this time of year, and my apartment runs warm. They get indirect sunlight. This photo is from a couple weeks back: This photo is from yesterday:
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#24702665 - 10/11/17 03:33 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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How's everyone's plants coming? Seed season is pretty much upon us. I'm definitely gonna be getting a batch started here real soon.
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Hello all!!! I picked this guy up about 2 months ago. It’s was about ten inches tall and had 3 leaves on it. It looked like it was on deaths door step. It bounced right back with minimal care. Amazingly resilient plant. I am not sure the variety. I am rooting cuttings now. I live on the line of zone 8 and 9 so I’m gonna try and put some in the ground next spring.
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Very nice, looks like it could take a bigger pot though.
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Thank you. It filled that pot very rapidly. I’ll have to find something larger. Appreciate the advice!!
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A couple of my caapi seedlings don't look that great. Anyone seen this on their caapi?
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Looks like bug damage to me, but that's only a guess. Can you see any kind of activity? Spider mites are my first thought.
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I looked but did not see anything, but it was in the evening and mosquitos were eating me alive. I had aphids on my largest caapi several months ago, I don't recall what the damage looked like besides stunted growth but I caught it pretty quick and killed them. I'll look tomorrow with a magnifying glass. I have them in a mix of perlite, worm casting, tad bit of leaf mould, and a touch of coarse sand.
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Aphids are a more likely possibility, since I don't really see any webbing that spider mites would be leaving.
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My cuttings finally rooted. It’s been about 6 weeks. I started with 6 and ended up with 3. 50% is not bad. I’m happy.
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That soil looks nice and fertile! Worm casing? Worm casing is a majority of my soil muxes. Good stuff. What type of caapi are those?
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That is actually peat moss and coir. When rooting cuttings you want a non nutritious soil from what I’ve read. I think the mother plant was claimed to Cielo when I got her. I still need to read up and see if I can ID it 100% as Cielo.
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Humm worm casing always comes through with my cuttings of all kinds of plants. I have a cielo and a few others, some seed grown.
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My caapi may die tonight. I'm leaving them out in the cold, but it won't freeze. I need the space and pots for something more useful to me. I'm posting them in the marketplace, hope I'm not breaking any rules.
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I’ll have to try them. I’m trying to root some P. viridis leaves and they are taking forever. Coming up on 2 months.
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Hello friends, I'm from Colombia, I went to show you approximately the caapi that I have from my own collection, I am currently going through a situation in which some do not want to root or have roots but not leaves, I have tried to change their metabolism, of all ways the varieties of caapi that I have are a whole list KUREHUASCA: CAAPI HYBRID OF COLOMBIA CIELOHUASCA: B.CAAPI CIELO YELLOW OR BOA: CAAPI SWEET TIGREHUASCA: RED CAAPI MORE EFFECTIVE FOR PUrGE AND SOME OTHER HYBRIDS OF THREE HELICS CIELO

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Hi, I am all of you again, I am sorry to repeat the thread again, everything is to promote the tedious knowledge that makes the master practitioner, friends would like to know how to root or in what conditions I can propagate cabrereana diplopterys cuttings, caapi is easy but chagropanga seems to be different
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Hello companions, I urgently need help from you, if someone has experience rooting and planting by cutting diplopterys cabrerana aka chagropanga I thank you for mentioning their advice, on substrates, conditions and other advice, I have a trap of moisture and rooting for plants, thank you very much
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I have no idea as i have never found any chaliponga aka. diplopterys cabrerana plants. Maybe you can try some different methods if you cant find any info about this. Soil, wet perlite, and something like a hydrponic cloner seems a good bet. Are these known to be difficult to root?
I guess they are hard to root, hard to grow or to keep alive. There are so many wanting a chaliponga plant but nobody seems to have any and nobody sells any. Must be some reason for that.
I really hope you can get these growing. This is a very sought after plant. You are very lucky, they grow where you live or you bought these cuttings? Good luck.
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Hi don mateo asi, they grow where I live because I am from Colombia and a friend have cut their chagropangas, some have roots because they are cuts that had been rooting for several months, I have a trap of humidity and cloning hormone, for This purpose, I plan to plant them on land vertically as caapi with some knots coming out of the ground, that if without neglecting the climate, I only know a single person who succeeded with diplopterys cabrerana, said that even if months would not take away the humidity trap
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Thats why nobody have chaliponga plants then. Challenging plant to grow.
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My tucanaca (red) and Black strain Caapis . All at least 1 year old. Have been transplanted since picture was taken .They love coffee grounds and manure. Last pic is Solandra Grandiflora.
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Very nice 
I planted some fresh Caupuri (knotted strain) seeds from Brazil yesterday, will post some pics when they sprout.
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Thanks. That's what I believe mine are. Caupuri aka black caapi. Has anyone eaten their own caapi leaves? Mine have dropped a good dozen . might make some tea even though I'm not expecting much.
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Beautiful caapis, I have noticed that banisteriopsis does not need direct sunlight, because it is naturally from the jungle can adptarce to the lack of light, I have a serious problem that has not taken force but it is expected that over time it will cost me , the nectaries of caapi, behind the leaves attract insects for their honey and I have had problems with insects, with thrips and aphids if someone knows of a good organic input to scare them or rociales would thank them in the soul
 I would like to identify the strains of caapi that I have planted, among them I can distinguish cielohuasca and tigrehuasca, with sky strain and red strain, by the shape of the leaf, color of the vine and growth behavior alginas strains do not correspond neither to heaven nor to tiger, so I would like you to help me identify them, since I also have yage boa and yellow yage, tueno, among others that I have not identified, your botanic knows how to identify these strains I would appreciate it, soon I will have seeds of my vines because they will soon enter flowering despite its small size, apparently the tropical and dry climate accelerates the flowering taking into account that I live in the heart of Colombia.





 
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I have some leaves collected from tall vines, that reach to collect, and dry them in the dark and then toasted to make them dust, although I have mixed with some vine are dust, the Venezuelans have given me a very good data on how to consume caapi in small quantities and consists of chewing a tonco or some leaves or powder for an hour, just swallow the liquid product of chewing leaves and caapi trunk for an hour or until you feel the nausea will be necessary to activate it as imao, then you can administer what you want as long as it is an indicine compound
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I have 3 caapi plants growing indoors. I sadly have lost their nametags so i no longer know what kind they are. At one point in time i at least had White, Yellow, Red and Black vaietys, maybee even some other one. Now only 3 vines are left and i cant see the differences between them.
Now my cuestion. Can i propagate a cutting simply by cutting a vine and put it into soil? Or do i need rooting hormone, some time in water then soil. Or maybe rooting hormone and just put in water until i see roots? Do you know how to sucessfully root cuttings from these vines?
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Nice plants.
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Mateo said: I have 3 caapi plants growing indoors. I sadly have lost their nametags so i no longer know what kind they are. At one point in time i at least had White, Yellow, Red and Black vaietys, maybee even some other one. Now only 3 vines are left and i cant see the differences between them.
Now my cuestion. Can i propagate a cutting simply by cutting a vine and put it into soil? Or do i need rooting hormone, some time in water then soil. Or maybe rooting hormone and just put in water until i see roots? Do you know how to sucessfully root cuttings from these vines?
Intresting with the chewing method of the vine.
Hello mateo don, are mistakes that usually happen but then take some problems in the future, so I can tell you the following, on how to identify the caapi, in the growth shows facets that determine the variety, some vines are simply creepers while that others maintain an erect stem, the shape of the leaves also determines the variety I remember when I got my first caapi cuttings I was guided by the color and texture of the trunk of the caapi, I think I can help you in posterity with the identification but something I have clear: red caapi has the red, chipped, fibrous stem and bends, has ovoid leaves and pronounces, its taste is bitter and of all the caapis it is the most purgative, the leaves are tiny but numerous yellow caapi: hard bark, erect stem, hard center, sweet and smooth flavor, ovoid leaf with the pointed tip small leaves, sometimes leaves three leaves per knot sky: has straight, smooth stem, sweet taste and green flesh, large ovoid leaves thunder or black: it has the stem erect, hard, does not bend, leaves tiny and numerous, the stem is black, green leaves entangled
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  Now for the form of cutting I can give you a hand with the following data: in the following way you must make the cuttings, the first way to make cuttings is to cut a mature branch that already has a considerable thickness but this has between 2-3 knots or levels, to make rooting you should do the following, prepare the soil and the trunk of caapi you must bury a few centimeters with soil and use a humidity dome for several months, it is not necessary to use rooting hormone but delayed more in appearing brotos , if you have containers in which the knots of the trunk do not fit vertically you can bury two knots and leaving one uncovered vertically, you should use a humidity trap and never remove it because otherwise they will rot or dry out.
the second way is with a mature stem cutting, when the caapi has high humidity the knots between the leaves, even if it is a green stem while the root is in a moisture trap, that is to say, a cutting with already ripe leaves the knots will develop root and you can do the layered technique by burying the aerial root of the caapi and leaving it in the dome until you can exert the cut and so you have a new plant of equal quality to the mother plant the third form is to directly bury the stem in the root and to treat with rooting hormone
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 Data on chewing caapi: Venezuelans use the caapi trunk although they actually chew the root, but also caapi leaves and stems usually work very well as imao, Venezuelans use the caapi chewed, have different varieties of caapi as caupuri or ourinhos or a variety that is directly called caapi as imao, these range from mild to strong, the method of chewing and spitting ensures the inhibition of monoamine oxidase correctly with a finger length of one finger per person to inhibit the mao are stomach discomfort or vomiting .
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Very interesting abraxxas, thank you for the information. I think the layering method to produce new caapi plants would work good here. I will try it.
When it is day tomorrow, i will take a few photos of my caapi plants and present them here so all can see.
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So i dont know what strain or variety these are as i lost the labels.
First one.
 Stem
   The leafs are more long and thinner than the others.
Second one.
 Stem
 Leaf
Third one.
 Stem
    Leaf This one has a darker green leaf color and the stem looks different.
They aren´t so big. I had to cut away big parts when i moved to the new house. They had climbed and entangeled with eachother as well as with things in the house so i had to cut big parts off.
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Mateo said: So i dont know what strain or variety these are as i lost the labels.
First one.
 Stem
   The leafs are more long and thinner than the others.
Second one.
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 Leaf
Third one.
 Stem
    Leaf This one has a darker green leaf color and the stem looks different.
They aren´t so big. I had to cut away big parts when i moved to the new house. They had climbed and entangeled with eachother as well as with things in the house so i had to cut big parts off.
These forms of caapi mateo are very rare, I am sure that the shape of the leaf also determines its variety, I can only destinguir yellow, which is long greenish leaf and red is dark leaf, the other varieties are still difficult to recognize, I give you an advice and I see that it snows and it is cold where you are, here in the tropics even with warm climates I use humidity trap for months, so you guarantee more numerous sprouts per trunk, when you guarantee heat and humidity caapi have a create many knots, apical pruning makes more numerous the range of branches that develops.


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In winter time here, it is very dry air so humidity is low indoors. I have no room in my growtent for the caapi so they grow in the windows. In summer i can more easy increase humidity but not very much. They grow OK in the windows but im sure they could grow much faster and better given the right conditions.
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Can someone identify if these seeds are caapi?
 
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Im not sure but caapi seeds do look very similar. Been so long since i had any.
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Sorry to say but that doesn't look like it to me. If you have maple trees in your area, caapi seeds look very similar to maple seeds.
Here are some var. caupuri seeds I recently imported from Brazil:

The sprouts in your pics don't look right either, in my experience caapi doesn't have cotyledons, it puts out real leave straight away. Here are some of my sprouts from last year:
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Yeah MG those are the ones. Thats how they look, remember now.
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
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This one came as a little baby plant, it's about 3 years old.

These are some little ones propagated by cutting last year.

It was a ittle bumpy when I first started growing caapi, killed my first plant, killed my first cuttings. Now it kind of has weed status around here 
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Sweet! What strains you growing? Mine just woke up from winter
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These are my two caapi vines. I’m utterly clueless as to the strain. The larger one is in front of a southwest facing window and gets quite a bit of light each day whereas the smaller one is across the room and gets very little light. They both dropped most of their leaves in late fall when I moved them to this room but after they got settled they both started growing well again. The smaller one that’s exposed to less light has much smaller leaves. I don’t know if it’s a strain difference or a light difference. They only get watered sparingly but are both in, roughly, 15 gallon pots so it stays pretty moist. The larger one has been growing like crazy the last couple of weeks. I’m toying with the idea of moving them outside for the summer. I had to awesome little vines last year that I was very happy with the growth on but both started to wither and die in the fall and I couldn’t find the cause. I’d really like to find out what strain these are but there is surprisingly little information on identification.
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Are overnight temps in the low 50s too cold for a ~2ft vine?
I'm trying to avoid it going dormant before I bring it in for the winter.
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Not sure how I missed this thread. I just recently started growing caapi this past year and have one large established plant as well as two seedlings that are working towards being established.
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Mine are now grown up in the trees so they are staying put. Last year I had a cappi in a 3 gallon pot survive very cold temps.
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too cold temperatures can affect the caapi since temperatures reaching the 10 degree dentigrados or 5 degrees centigrade tend to necrotize and dry their leaves. Now I'm in Colombia but the temperature of these places is low between 20 degrees and my Amazon plants are affected by the lack of sun and the low temperature reaching up to 19 degrees I do not think it supports a frost It is better to have them inside if you do not run the risk of death by cold.
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Banisteriopsis rusbyana seedlings, the cotyledons on these are very meaty compared to caapi. I actually don't remember seeing cotyledons on caapi.
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well done mean green, b. rusbyana where does it come from?
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Thank you abraxxas, it comes from the Amazon. An online friend went to the Peruvian Amazon recently and brought back some B. rusbyana, B. muricata and Alicia anisopetala seeds. He sent me a few of each but so far the only ones that have sprouted are the B. rusbyana.
All the links I can find say B. rusbyana is synonym with Diplopterys cabrerana (Chaliponga) but I have a hard time believing it. Would be awesome if it was indeed Chaliponga. http://www.ayahuasca-info.com/botany
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: MeanGreen]
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That would be so awesome if it was!
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abraxxas do you know what Chaliponga seeds look like? Are they similar in shape to caapi seeds? This is the B. rusbyana seeds I have left:

And compared to a B. caapi var. caupuri seed:
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Here is a picture of the exact plant the rusbyana seeds were collected from.

Here's what he said when I asked about the ID: "I believe the original botanical description of diplo cab fits the rusbayana. I know folks in Peru and Brazil that tell me they are different plants. It doesnt help that "chaliponga" can mean many different plants depending on where you are. Check out my post on sept 18th on the Mallachts page, I have photos of the plants in question. Welcome to the 'diploponga' confusion!"
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Great friend, b.rusbyana is an old-fashioned term botanically b.rusbyana is diplopterys cabrerana updated the term was updated by r.evan schultez. diplopterys cabrerana has been different in each country but if there are different varieties in Colombia, Ecuador, Brazil and Peru the varieties that I know are spearhead dantachagro blue fish dantantanta ocoyage each one is different and has been used by the different tribes of the Amazon I like the purple color that diplopterys leaves acquire there is something that should be clear diplopterys is not a liana, it has erect stems, and it is a bush of thick trunks the seeds are of 4 propellers but I have never seen seeds in my life before in the jungle we reproduce them by cutting which is extremely complicated
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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
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hey everyone. i really need help because i think my caapi (cuelo) cuttings might be as good as dead. i have had them in a terrarium getting some shade and stuck into dirt. I think i might be keeping it too wet and or humid. all the leaves are starting to fall off and wilt. do you think the vines will stay alive? they are about pencil thick... just put a stronger light on them (to hopefully warm them as well as dry out) and have dialed back on misting them. soo sad that im failing at this
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Found my two caapi seedlings knocked over today. It must have happened yesterday cause they were both already super wilted. Looks like the smaller one will recover, but I fear my larger seedling has gone too far beyond the wilting point. 
Seriously considering buying some lethal traps for these damn squirrels...
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Don't give up yet. I had a couple seed grown caapi that looked terrible from the start. After their 2nd year they took off and look great. No where near the size of the others but growing well now. It sure what it was I did nothing but water and feed.
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Post a pic if you can. I would acclimate them to your room humidity. They might not be getting enough fresh air in the terrarium.
I started mine off in small water bottles I turned into humidity domes, but I acclimated mine after just a few months. Had my current seedlings sprout in the container of my bigger caapi, and they germinated in low humidity so it was much easier not having to acclimate them.
They aren't particularly picky about it, but what kind of soil do you have them?
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Not sure if you are asking me or fantasticolors.
They live outside. The 2 biggins are a clusterfuc& of vines growing through the fence around the fence and up a tree. I'll take a picture sometime.
I'm going to take cuttings on the thickest vines soon to root inside over winter. Going to wrap blankets around the bases and let them endure the cold.
They are in 3 gallon pots with a rich soil(leaf compost, cowpoop, worm castings) with some perlite and scoop of coarse sand. I've top dressed with various organic nutrients every few months. They've out grown their pots and are firmly rooted to the ground. Next spring I'm going get them out of the pots as gently as possibly and put them in the ground to grow up cedar elm trees.
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Acaterpillar said: Post a pic if you can. I would acclimate them to your room humidity. They might not be getting enough fresh air in the terrarium.
I started mine off in small water bottles I turned into humidity domes, but I acclimated mine after just a few months. Had my current seedlings sprout in the container of my bigger caapi, and they germinated in low humidity so it was much easier not having to acclimate them.
They aren't particularly picky about it, but what kind of soil do you have them?
i have them in some organic soil. seems too wet as well so ive been trying to let it dry out. i would mix perlite into it but im scared to disturb the plants. i was soaking them way to much i think. they seem to be hanging on although a couple have lost all their leaves. i put a few heat pads around the tank and some dryer soil on top of the wet soil to help dry it. also leaving the door open eriodically to increase air flow.
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What is the temperature and RH?
I've stopped misting cuttings unless they are not in a humidity box/bag, I'll give them 1 mist then the lid goes on. It's very humid in my climate so generally when rooting caapi in the summer(no humidity box) I stick them in soil, saturate it, and then give them a drink whenever the soil surface starts to dry.
I'm about to start some cuttings indoors over winter and I'll be using coco and perlite on some and soil on the others. You want the soil to drain but hold moisture.
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I find that they don't need misting once established and acclimated. I keep my seedlings outside and our humidity here in DFW usually floats around 60%
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Here’s a picture of a caapi that’s ‘colonized’ the fence and growing up the tree.
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Not entirely sure what form of caapi I have, I bought it at a local nursery that specializes in ethnobotanicals, during the summer it can easily grow 6 inches a week and I plan on rooting some cuttings in the spring.
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I've talked with my shaman again, it's hard to get. but I've got new programs of excellent quality, some young, some old, those who treat with an honor of rooting, to pass them then to land, the variety of caapi that I have is b.caapi red, mkenna strain or tigrehuasca, is the same , it is a variety adaptable to several thermal floors... p.carthagenesis tigrehuasca tigrehuasca
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I am from Colombia and I found in the Dry Forest of bucaramanga here a specimen of banisteriopsis muricata actually walk 100 m into the jungle and I found that there was a life a vine that had hairs behind the leaves and had nectaries and produced flowers like banisteriopsis Muricata

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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
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I’ve got a caapi clone that just got to me and had a rough time during transit it’s the first caapi I’ve ever cared for so I’m not sure how to perk it up?
Humidity dome until new growth emerges? It’s lost all its leaves and doesn’t look so good I think it was a bad start prob would have had a lot easier time determining what the plant likes and doesn’t like had I received a more established clone but oh well I just don’t know what to do to save this guy it’s indoors under a t5 low light conditions ANY recommendation would be appreciated thank you
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Does it have a lot of strong roots? I’ve always cloned mine without humidity dome, but it’s very humid where I live. Put it in a spacious pot with a good mix, give it some water and time
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I’m not sure if i would say it had a lot of strong root or not being my first plant
It had some roots for sure tho it’s a cutting that is about 1/8inch diameter had a fifty cent sized root mass roughly I’d say lol.
I figured just some time but wanted to make sure I’m not doing anything wrong, it is a cielo variety
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Do these plants like to stay wet or dry up like normal plant in between waterings?? Heavy feeders or light on the nutrients?
Nice to see you again abraxxas, I recall your thread about rivea corymbosa frkm awhile back. Awesome find
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Mine have done well in all conditions. Wet soil for months on end they did great. Dry soil for awhile they did good too. I’d say give them a drink then let it drain and dry a little. If it looks sad give it more water.
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Ok reason I ask is all I had on hand was some promix hp so the soil it went into doesn’t have much nutrient I’ll give it some food next watering prob I’ve only watered it once when it got transplanted so far
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#25968501 - 05/02/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been rehearsing various methods of reproduction for banisteriopsis muricata I have lost about 15 skeletons due to the strong summer that I have been doing in this part of Colombia the cuttings are planted vertically with two knots covered The best method that has worked for me is putting them vertically in sand, in bags I have put about 100 old seeds and they have all germinated every day I pick up about 100

  
   At the moment he has acquired some cuttings or some cuts of the lower branches, very thick, of Nacho de Oco goat tennis and another Panda as We call him here in Colombia I am trying different methods of Reproduction by means of which he is no longer in sandbags in a trap of moisture I am trying to know if it is possible to review them and I am also using rooting hormone rooting and I would also like to know if it is possible to make an underground layer or an air layer to facilitate asexual reproduction.
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Are my b.caapi finally sprouting?
 I had them indoors under lighting for weeks before giving up and setting them outside,watering when/if I remember. A month or more outdoors ,and in almost 100f summer weather,looks like they are sprouting. Whats my next step?Transplant and leave outdoors?Bring inside?
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They are sprouting.
I would let then grow a bit bigger until you transfer to bigger pots. Where to place them depends on where you live or what climate you have. I live in north Europe and i cant have them outside except in summertime. So i have mine indoors, climbing around my livingroom windows to get a jungle feeling to the room. This works ok but if you want them big, outside is the place to have them (if you have the climate)
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hello i am back after the cov-19 pandemic , now here i was collecting some species and new varieties of caapi vines , i can make a list with the new varieties of banisteriopsis caapi/ inebrans that i have also i have some chagropanga(in colombia) also we call it uco yage , chagropanga . so we start with the banisteriopsis caapi varieties : kuriwaska chontayage auca yage danta yage yage espiritu (sospecho que sea tetrapterys) airo yage wayra kinde yage
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abraxxas said: hello i am back after the cov-19 pandemic , now here i was collecting some species and new varieties of caapi vines , i can make a list with the new varieties of banisteriopsis caapi/ inebrans that i have also i have some chagropanga(in colombia) also we call it uco yage , chagropanga . so we start with the banisteriopsis caapi varieties : kuriwaska chontayage auca yage danta yage yage espiritu (sospecho que sea tetrapterys) airo yage wayra kinde yage
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ok so i come back again , some pictures that i was upload not upload so well , so im back to post , in my city grows dome varieties of banisteriopsis muricata , one of the tiny leaf and other with a big leaf . also im going to show how to propagate diplopterys species

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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
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abraxxas, very beautiful caapi vine. I have two different varieties of Banisteriopsis caapi growing now. Plan to build a trellis for some small plants and put them in the ground.
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Picked up a few new plants. The left is Banisteriopsis muricata (red ayahuasca) and the right is Alicia anisopetala (black ayahuasca). The big mother caapi in the background are doing great, been rooting trays of cuttings with pretty good success so far. 
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Nice Turtle Any tips for how you doing your cuttings?
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Zifo, I have been using woody vine sections approximately the size of a small pencil. Take heel cuttings and place them in large cell trays in the greenhouse. Roots have been striking within a couple weeks. There is a nice write up with photos on SAB here.
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Thanks for sharing that link Turtle I've got a few caapis going that I will be trying out these methods on once they have some decent growth I can play round with.
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Had a cell tray of rooted caapi, just repotted them all to four inch pots. Just starting to push new growth.
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Took another cell tray of cuttings and got them in the greenhouse.
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Did you ever start any, zifo?
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Not yet buddy I'm itching thou...got a good few plants about 2years old that I grew from seed and they just starting to get good growth that I can play with. Just trying to be patient cause I know once they get going proper I'll have loads..
 Here's my Chacruna babies I've been propagating from seed and leaf cuttings off my mother plant
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Awesome they look great these are two years from seed? All the chacruna are nice too, are they all viridis? I have been rooting leaves of nexus.
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Yeah Turtle... All P.viridis
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Has anyone ever done any experiments with growing caapi? adding hormones or different growing conditions? I've not seen any videos or posts anywhere online and would like to see them if any are available.
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It is difficult even getting plants or seeds! I would try air layering when they grow branches with enough thickness.
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Some caapi mother plants starting to get too big for the greenhouse.

Next round of clones got transplanted into gallon pots with bamboo sticks to climb.

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I would love to join y'all's united grower group but I'm having trouble finding somewhere to purchase caapi. Any advice?
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My two biggest Banisteriopsis caapi vines completely outgrew the greenhouse and trellis. Finally put them both in the ground today underneath some big mulberry trees. Been hot as hell around here, finally supposed to get some rain next week.

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