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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #25527005 - 10/10/18 01:39 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

What do you consider very cold temps?


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25527335 - 10/10/18 03:44 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Low-mids 20's. I wrapped the stump in a blankey


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: pinedownpioneer] * 1
    #25529183 - 10/11/18 08:50 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

too cold temperatures can affect the caapi
  since temperatures reaching the 10 degree dentigrados or 5 degrees centigrade tend to necrotize and dry their leaves.
  Now I'm in Colombia but the temperature of these places is low between 20 degrees and my Amazon plants are affected by the lack of sun and the low temperature reaching up to 19 degrees
  I do not think it supports a frost
  It is better to have them inside if you do not run the risk of death by cold.


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
    #25568376 - 10/26/18 05:18 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Banisteriopsis rusbyana seedlings, the cotyledons on these are very meaty compared to caapi. I actually don't remember seeing cotyledons on caapi.


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25568515 - 10/26/18 07:54 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

well done mean green, b. rusbyana where does it come from?


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
    #25568531 - 10/26/18 08:04 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you abraxxas, it comes from the Amazon. An online friend went to the Peruvian Amazon recently and brought back some B. rusbyana, B. muricata and Alicia anisopetala seeds. He sent me a few of each but so far the only ones that have sprouted are the B. rusbyana.

All the links I can find say B. rusbyana is synonym with Diplopterys cabrerana (Chaliponga) but I have a hard time believing it. Would be awesome if it was indeed Chaliponga.
http://www.ayahuasca-info.com/botany


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25568628 - 10/26/18 09:01 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

That would be so awesome if it was!


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #25568692 - 10/26/18 09:31 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

abraxxas do you know what Chaliponga seeds look like? Are they similar in shape to caapi seeds? This is the B. rusbyana seeds I have left:


And compared to a B. caapi var. caupuri seed:


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: MeanGreen]
    #25568941 - 10/26/18 11:09 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Here is a picture of the exact plant the rusbyana seeds were collected from.


Here's what he said when I asked about the ID:
"I believe the original botanical description of diplo cab fits the rusbayana. I know folks in Peru and Brazil that tell me they are different plants.  It doesnt help that "chaliponga" can mean many different plants depending on where you are.  Check out my post on sept 18th on the Mallachts page, I have photos of the plants in question. Welcome to the 'diploponga' confusion!"


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: MeanGreen] * 1
    #25578757 - 10/30/18 01:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Great friend, b.rusbyana is an old-fashioned term
botanically b.rusbyana is diplopterys cabrerana updated
  the term was updated by r.evan schultez.
   diplopterys cabrerana has been different in each country
but if there are different varieties in Colombia, Ecuador, Brazil and Peru
  the varieties that I know are
spearhead
dantachagro
blue fish
dantantanta
ocoyage
  each one is different and has been used by the different tribes of the Amazon
  I like the purple color that diplopterys leaves acquire
there is something that should be clear
  diplopterys is not a liana, it has erect stems, and it is a bush of thick trunks
  the seeds are of 4 propellers but I have never seen seeds in my life before
  in the jungle we reproduce them by cutting which is extremely complicated


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: abraxxas]
    #25587485 - 11/02/18 05:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

hey everyone. i really need help because i think my caapi (cuelo) cuttings might be as good as dead. i have had them in a terrarium getting some shade and stuck into dirt. I think i might be keeping it too wet and or humid. all the leaves are starting to fall off and wilt. do you think the vines will stay alive? they are about pencil thick... just put a stronger light on them (to hopefully warm them as well as dry out) and have dialed back on misting them. soo sad that im failing at this :frown:


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: fantastiColor]
    #25587813 - 11/02/18 08:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Found my two caapi seedlings knocked over today. It must have happened yesterday cause they were both already super wilted. Looks like the smaller one will recover, but I fear my larger seedling has gone too far beyond the wilting point. :sad:

Seriously considering buying some lethal traps for these damn squirrels...


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25588281 - 11/03/18 03:50 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Don't give up yet. I had a couple seed grown caapi that looked terrible from the start. After their 2nd year they took off and look great. No where near the size of the others but growing well now.  It sure what it was I did nothing but water and feed.


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: fantastiColor]
    #25588677 - 11/03/18 09:49 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Post a pic if you can.
I would acclimate them to your room humidity. They might not be getting enough fresh air in the terrarium.

I started mine off in small water bottles I turned into humidity domes, but I acclimated mine after just a few months.
Had my current seedlings sprout in the container of my bigger caapi, and they germinated in low humidity so it was much easier not having to acclimate them.

They aren't particularly picky about it, but what kind of soil do you have them?


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25588759 - 11/03/18 10:18 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure if you are asking me or fantasticolors.

They live outside. The 2 biggins are a clusterfuc& of vines growing through the fence around the fence and up a tree. I'll take a picture sometime.

I'm going to take cuttings on the thickest vines soon to root inside over winter. Going to wrap blankets around the bases and let them endure the cold.

They are in 3 gallon pots with a rich soil(leaf compost, cowpoop, worm castings) with some perlite and scoop of coarse sand. I've top dressed with various organic nutrients every few months. They've out grown their pots and are firmly rooted to the ground. Next spring I'm going get them out of the pots as gently as possibly and put them in the ground to grow up cedar elm trees.


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25588856 - 11/03/18 11:18 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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Post a pic if you can.
I would acclimate them to your room humidity. They might not be getting enough fresh air in the terrarium.

I started mine off in small water bottles I turned into humidity domes, but I acclimated mine after just a few months.
Had my current seedlings sprout in the container of my bigger caapi, and they germinated in low humidity so it was much easier not having to acclimate them.

They aren't particularly picky about it, but what kind of soil do you have them?




i have them in some organic soil. seems too wet as well so ive been trying to let it dry out. i would mix perlite into it but im scared to disturb the plants. i was soaking them way to much i think. they seem to be hanging on although a couple have lost all their leaves. i put a few heat pads around the tank and some dryer soil on top of the wet soil to help dry it. also leaving the door open eriodically to increase air flow.


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: fantastiColor]
    #25588919 - 11/03/18 11:50 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

What is the temperature and RH?

I've stopped misting cuttings unless they are not in a humidity box/bag, I'll give them 1 mist then the lid goes on. It's very humid in my climate so generally when rooting caapi in the summer(no humidity box) I stick them in soil, saturate it, and then give them a drink whenever the soil surface starts to dry.

I'm about to start some cuttings indoors over winter and I'll be using coco and perlite on some and soil on the others. You want the soil to drain but hold moisture.


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #25589153 - 11/03/18 01:53 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I find that they don't need misting once established and acclimated. I keep my seedlings outside and our humidity here in DFW usually floats around 60%


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: Acaterpillar] * 2
    #25650091 - 12/01/18 07:48 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Here’s a picture of a caapi that’s ‘colonized’ the fence and growing up the tree.


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Re: ¡Los productores de Caapi se unen! [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #25665877 - 12/08/18 02:39 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Not entirely sure what form of caapi I have, I bought it at a local nursery that specializes in ethnobotanicals, during the summer it can easily grow 6 inches a week and I plan on rooting some cuttings in the spring.


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