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B. Caapi growers unite! * 1
    #19320976 - 12/24/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Just like the other threads here that are dedicated to a specific plant or species. I'd like to start a thread to talk about and just display B. Caapi plants.

I guess I'll start with a question I have, I recently got a a few b. caapi unrooted cuttings. I've placed them in a jar with water and a bag over it to contain humidity. I soaked them first in GA-3 before replacing the water.

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My question is this: are those little green things growing off the nodes, roots or leaves? They didn't develop under the water, they actually developed in the humid air.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
    #19322418 - 12/24/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's new growth and not roots. Roots will develop lower down on the nodes in water.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: karode13]
    #19323180 - 12/24/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Word, and do they normally start new growth before roots? As well as I could have had the sticks upside down. I tried to gather the best estimated guess I could as to which way was up, but I'm not perfect.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
    #19323964 - 12/25/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)



Edit: Recent pic.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
    #19324583 - 12/25/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Oooooooooooooooo, very nice. Very promising.

Some of mine have began to sprout, i'll be reporting back.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: 1234go]
    #19324598 - 12/25/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have never grown caapi before but am just getting into it now! I have a green thumb and a horticulture diploma so I am really looking forward to this!! I want to try and grow the caapi in a aquaponic system under 135w LED for supplemental (spectrum specific) lighting and Ill have a 400w HPS as the main light, maybe a 200w CFL, I havent decided, I already own the LED (which works fucking awesome, LED is underappreciated)so I will be using it regardless but I will get another light.

Anyone know of any aqua/hydroponic B. caapi grows?


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Zombi3]
    #19324617 - 12/25/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I have never grown caapi before but am just getting into it now! I have a green thumb and a horticulture diploma so I am really looking forward to this!! I want to try and grow the caapi in a aquaponic system under 135w LED for supplemental (spectrum specific) lighting and Ill have a 400w HPS as the main light, maybe a 200w CFL, I havent decided, I already own the LED (which works fucking awesome, LED is underappreciated)so I will be using it regardless but I will get another light.

Anyone know of any aqua/hydroponic B. caapi grows?





You gonna have a problem with hydroponic caapi. Firstly it takes at least 4 years before you can harvest, it gets massive, the root system will surely destroy or engulf your hydro setup. It really is not worth the effort, expense, water, nutrients, fuss, mess. Stick it in a pot (big one) or in the ground.

400watt will be sufficient no need to supplement with the LED.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
    #19324631 - 12/25/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not hydro, aquaponic system, it combines aquaculture and hydroponics, I in effect produce my own nutrients and so I need not worry about how pricey they would be. I will use drastically reduced amount of water when compared to soil growing or hydro growing, the self cleaning and recirculating nature of a aqua system is key. Supplemental light is never a bad idea. I CAN grow massive and excessive root stocks in a aqua system without worry of any harm to the system, if your roots can negatively affect your aqua/hydro system then your doing it wrong.

I just looked up all the specs on caapi and actually it isnt very well suited for what I want to do. I will be using phalaris grass in a flood and drain hydroton bed. 6' x 8' x 8" bed, should crop out large.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Zombi3]
    #19324640 - 12/25/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Not hydro, aquaponic system, it combines aquaculture and hydroponics, I in effect produce my own nutrients and so I need not worry about how pricey they would be. I will use drastically reduced amount of water when compared to soil growing or hydro growing, the self cleaning and recirculating nature of a aqua system is key. Supplemental light is never a bad idea. I CAN grow massive and excessive root stocks in a aqua system without worry of any harm to the system, if your roots can negatively affect your aqua/hydro system then your doing it wrong.

I just looked up all the specs on caapi and actually it isnt very well suited for what I want to do. I will be using phalaris grass in a flood and drain hydroton bed. 6' x 8' x 8" bed, should crop out large.




I don't grow hydro/aqua as i prefer soil, its cheap and costs me nothing. I have 10x10m2 patch of phalaris brachystachys growing in my backyward.

Supplemental lights may not be a bad idea, but its unnecessary in this regard and as such a waste.

And with the amount of rain i get weekly water is in abundance.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
    #19325497 - 12/25/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Being in Ontario I dont have the option to grow outdoors at this time of year and soil is messy indoors. I already have an aquaponic setup so it means nothing to me to add another flood bed and throw in a shit ton of phalaris. Is brachystachy the species you grow? I figured I would grow phalaris aquatica since it seems to be relativley high in DMT (for phalaris) and I can get seeds easy peasy.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Zombi3]
    #19325993 - 12/25/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A friend of mine introduced me to aquaponics a few weeks ago, amazing shit!


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Zombi3]
    #19326973 - 12/25/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Being in Ontario I dont have the option to grow outdoors at this time of year and soil is messy indoors. I already have an aquaponic setup so it means nothing to me to add another flood bed and throw in a shit ton of phalaris. Is brachystachy the species you grow? I figured I would grow phalaris aquatica since it seems to be relativley high in DMT (for phalaris) and I can get seeds easy peasy.




Phalaris aquatica has a variable alkaloid profile, one piece of grass may be higher than the other. Brachystachys is phalaris with the most stable profile and it also has lower gramine levels.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4] * 1
    #19329406 - 12/26/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dates are displayed if you hover over the photo!

Planted ten seeds,



Eight sprouted,



Five repotted outside seedling tray, but two died due to cold and humidity shock, three stalled inside seedling tray, three left growing



Now,



One is looking a bit wilted, but is perking up.

It's a bummer I've lost so many but I can't say I'm upset. All I really want is a large mother plant that I can take cuttings from, and any extra plants are just icing on the cake.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Joker Flash]
    #19331153 - 12/26/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Dates are displayed if you hover over the photo!

Planted ten seeds,



Eight sprouted,



Five repotted outside seedling tray, but two died due to cold and humidity shock, three stalled inside seedling tray, three left growing



Now,



One is looking a bit wilted, but is perking up.

It's a bummer I've lost so many but I can't say I'm upset. All I really want is a large mother plant that I can take cuttings from, and any extra plants are just icing on the cake.





Do not let the soil dry out. Thats like instant death for these plants.

Can't say mine have suffered any humidity shock, i just left them outside. Its currently 18.c outside with 86% humidity. But that's just because it was raining this morning, our humidity is usually around 45-50% constantly. Also those peat pots are very bad to grow these plants in i would get rid of them immediately.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
    #19331254 - 12/27/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I removed the majority of the peat so they were in miracle grow soil, but still inside the netting, for convenience. They pretty much went from humid seedling tray to under a hps with a lot of ventilation though, but now I have them under a humidity tent.

I haven't let the soil dry out, I'm pretty obsessive about my watering because of my kratom. My growroom drops to about 65f at nights, and they wilt in the mornings. I've been putting them on top of my fridge recently and they haven't wilted since, and the one that was bad is perking up slowly.

I think I was just too rough with them, they went from humidity and weak cfl lighting to full blown hps and dry/cold conditions. I'm fairly certain all of the remaining three I have will make it :smile: I just haven't been giving them as much attention as they want because of the holidays


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Joker Flash]
    #19331265 - 12/27/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice they should turn around pretty fast, these are strong little plants. I've lost about four from over fertilizing thou. But my others are 100%.


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: semaphore]
    #19331287 - 12/27/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That sucks to hear!

But you have plenty others! It's pretty cool to see so many in one place! Keep us updated :smile:


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    #19553139 - 02/11/14 04:19 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

So the first batch of cuttings I got, and pictured above, I got too antsy with and took them out of the water too early.

This particular one has the most growth of the 3. None have roots but all have signs of some getting ready to pop through.


This cutting I just got within the last week, it's looking way better than any cutting I've gotten in the past, by this time. The browning on the bottom left leaf is from the first day when the bag I'm using as a humidity dome was pressed up against the leaf.



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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: Galidor4]
    #19556525 - 02/12/14 09:39 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Think I have lost 3-4 b caapi plants... Over or under water, mold, etc.
Have had little luck with them and that pisses me off

Sorry for the whine... Seem to be able to grow most plants but not b caapi


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Re: B. Caapi growers unite! [Re: HarryL]
    #19559939 - 02/13/14 12:55 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

That's exactly why I started this thread, so I/we can figure out a solid way to grow this beautiful plant.

This is at least the 3rd rooted plant I've bought.
It's in a pot with a bottom half of coco, where I placed the roots has got a good organic soil mix, then coco on top. I keep a gallon bag over it and I spray it with distiller water 3 or 4 times a day. It's started sprouting all around. Fingers crossed.


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