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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: anne halonium]
    #19299491 - 12/19/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Or you could go by the amount of grain used to weight. Quart to quart or pint to pint. (Bulkers laugh)


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19299532 - 12/19/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am using the same amount of spawn for both. This run is going to be interesting but I have more experiments planned down the road. This particular run is to get a feel for any potential yield advantages or disadvantages that one method may have over the other, and if my environment and lifestyle is viable for cased grains.

My next shot at this will be a straight comparison with bulk trays and pp5 side by side in SGFC's. I plan for my third attempt to be a cost comparison vs yield for both teks in their respective elements. PP5 with RGS, maybe even some ferts and a disco ball, vs bulk 66 quart monos. But that's a little ways off still. For now I'm playing it a little loose with this one and treat it as a preview of the experiments to come :wink:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19299543 - 12/19/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: anne halonium]
    #19299605 - 12/19/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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anne halonium said:
this one should be EASY.

step 1 . run a clone, one in a pp5 one in a bulk.

step 2 .weigh the yield on both.

step 3. weigh the entire container on both , after harvest.

step 4. write up the ratio in a fraction.

step 5 , v tekkers laugh like mad.

step 6. ( optional) , a surface area / yeild equation
would be the last stake in the vampires heart.




Yeah, except the ratio of mass of mushrooms to mass of substrate is a completely retarded measure of success.  The only thing more retarded than that would be to measure the yield per surface area, which it appears you also want to do.  We don't give a shit about either, really: when you're talking about $3.00 worth of coir and $0.50 worth of vermiculite, it's not even worth mentioning how much substrate you use.  I have more than that stuck between the cushions of my couch, and I can't be bothered to dig it out.  And seriously, yield per surface area?  Do you really want to play that game?  Because I will smoke your pp5 tek with my Fill Up A Two Liter Bottle And Pretend It's Reishi Tek if you do.

RGS is pricey.  Violet and Pasty both know this, and they've both agreed that the best measures of success are yield per unit of spawn, speed and simplicity/ease of use.  These are reasonable categories that have the potential to actually sway someone, rather than the number of mushrooms you can grow wearing an eyepatch or whatever else you wanted to measure.

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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Psilicon]
    #19299610 - 12/19/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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anne halonium said:
this one should be EASY.

step 1 . run a clone, one in a pp5 one in a bulk.

step 2 .weigh the yield on both.

step 3. weigh the entire container on both , after harvest.

step 4. write up the ratio in a fraction.

step 5 , v tekkers laugh like mad.

step 6. ( optional) , a surface area / yeild equation
would be the last stake in the vampires heart.




Yeah, except the ratio of mass of mushrooms to mass of substrate is a completely retarded measure of success.  The only thing more retarded than that would be to measure the yield per surface area, which it appears you also want to do.  We don't give a shit about either, really: when you're talking about $3.00 worth of coir and $0.50 worth of vermiculite, it's not even worth mentioning how much substrate you use.  I have more than that stuck between the cushions of my couch, and I can't be bothered to dig it out.  And seriously, yield per surface area?  Do you really want to play that game?  Because I will smoke your pp5 tek with my Fill Up A Two Liter Bottle And Pretend It's Reishi Tek if you do.

RGS is pricey.  Violet and Pasty both know this, and they've both agreed that the best measures of success are yield per unit of spawn, speed and simplicity/ease of use.  These are reasonable categories that have the potential to actually sway someone, rather than the number of mushrooms you can grow wearing an eyepatch or whatever else you wanted to measure.



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19299624 - 12/19/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Or you could go by the amount of grain used to weight. Quart to quart or pint to pint. (Bulkers laugh)




fox news logic guys, youll have to do better.


^that would be a prime example of a loaded test. v tekkers laugh.
for that matter, one could go just spore to first flush time.
and  v tekkers would continue to laugh.

i will give you guys this.
i would use ferts for the v-tek version.
i strongly suspect, it would enhance the dynamic,
but also IMO would be sorta cheating.

v tek, done right, with correct measurements,
same scales and equations, should beat bulks for speed, energy,
size, water, total weight, and yield per total weight ratios

think of it like this.
what if a PP5 cup, was the same size as a bulk tub.
its kinda comical from that perespective.
in a v tek sorta way.

but ill shut up, i kinda wanna see this test.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Psilicon]
    #19299661 - 12/19/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, except the ratio of mass of mushrooms to mass of substrate is a completely retarded measure of success.  The only thing more retarded than that would be to measure the yield per surface area, which it appears you also want to do.  We don't give a shit about either, really: when you're talking about $3.00 worth of coir and $0.50 worth of vermiculite, it's not even worth mentioning how much substrate you use.  I have more than that stuck between the cushions of my couch, and I can't be bothered to dig it out.  And seriously, yield per surface area?  Do you really want to play that game?  Because I will smoke your pp5 tek with my Fill Up A Two Liter Bottle And Pretend It's Reishi Tek if you do.

RGS is pricey.  Violet and Pasty both know this, and they've both agreed that the best measures of success are yield per unit of spawn, speed and simplicity/ease of use.  These are reasonable categories that have the potential to actually sway someone, rather than the number of mushrooms you can grow wearing an eyepatch or whatever else you wanted to measure.






makes sense, can we rename the v-tek as the voodoo tek?..oh wait

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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Psilicon]
    #19299812 - 12/19/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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van der griegen said:
Yeah, except the ratio of mass of mushrooms to mass of substrate is a completely retarded measure of success.  The only thing more retarded than that would be to measure the yield per surface area, which it appears you also want to do.  We don't give a shit about either, really: when you're talking about $3.00 worth of coir and $0.50 worth of vermiculite, it's not even worth mentioning how much substrate you use.  I have more than that stuck between the cushions of my couch, and I can't be bothered to dig it out.





:lolsy:  :kaneclap:

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van der griegen said:
And seriously, yield per surface area?  Do you really want to play that game?  Because I will smoke your pp5 tek with my Fill Up A Two Liter Bottle And Pretend It's Reishi Tek if you do.




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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19299867 - 12/19/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i have a scale and a ruler van der greigen.
and i know all kids of biomass /  sub size and surface area trix.
thats another day though, another thread.


this contest by all measures,
is gonna amount to energy per unit of sub, and general grow skill.

if the grow was reasonably honest, and the numbers are honest.
should be shockingly apparent from several angles and ratios.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: anne halonium] * 1
    #19299896 - 12/19/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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if the grow was reasonably honest, and the numbers are honest.
should be shockingly apparent from several angles and ratios.




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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19299911 - 12/19/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

im assuming this one is gonna be honest.
too many v tek and bulk peeps with rulers and scales and calculators.

im also assuming, the results will be contested. thats cool.
then peeps will be motivated to prove the point fer sure.
i proved the point to myself on this to scale in the late 80's,
but , who ever listens to annie.....

you guys tear it up:heart::thumbup:

this place needs more rulers and scales and measuring cups and calculators anyway. they are sobering, and inhibit trolls.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: anne halonium]
    #19319235 - 12/24/13 12:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Dec 24th-
3 of the V tek containers are fully colonized with a 4th close behind. 5 and 6 are not far off either, looks like in spite of some stalling I should get them all to the finish line :thumbup: Got some casing done the first round in the microwave, so by this time tomorrow I should have 3 V tek containers in a SGFC tomorrow. Might post pics at that time.



Tub spawned 3 days ago looks pretty good too! I think that had I spawned it when it was ready it would be done by now. Debating on casing it or not. Usually I like to case as my climate is dry, but no case is the community standard for the moment. Guess I got a day or two to consider.



I do feel that the speed to fruiting conditions is going to come out as a draw as both teks will reach fruiting conditions at approximately the same time.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19319240 - 12/24/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome.  Haha.  I think bulk is going to win this, but we will see.  My buddy is doing the same thing.


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: crackacola]
    #19319245 - 12/24/13 12:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

di you say wut variety? i just read the op and couldn't find it:shrug:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19319255 - 12/24/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I never put it in the OP as I didn't really consider it relevant. However there is no reason to keep it a secret. Variety is Fiji :smile: I love this culture though, its one of my favorites. Got 2 slants with its number on them :wink:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19319268 - 12/24/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i knew i wasn't stupid..or at least that stupid:thumbup:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19319281 - 12/24/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Here is a shot of it in a tray :thumbup: One of my fav's



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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19319291 - 12/24/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:jackiechanofapproval:


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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: cronicr]
    #19320344 - 12/24/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Aww, You're cute Annie.

*Pats on head*

Good Work Pasty!
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Re: V-Tek meets Bulk [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19320388 - 12/24/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

cute, growin, and confident in V-tek BE.
thats annie fer sure.


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