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Anonymous #1

liquid lsz?
    #19318922 - 12/23/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A foaf whome i know claims to have liquid lsz, $5 a hit. Is this possible so soon?  Just don't want to be poisoned with 25i.  I'll look out for a bad taste.  Anyone here about this so soon?


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Anonymous #2

Re: liquid lsz? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19319660 - 12/24/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Theoretically its possible, if a new batch has been hitting the street there may be crystal out there.  Then again, if you don't wanna be nbombed buy an erlich test and have them drop a hit on a piece of tp, let it dry and test.  No reason to put your health at risk over a $20 kit :shrug:.


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Anonymous #1

Re: liquid lsz? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #19320797 - 12/24/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well i talked to him about 25i and stuff and he says its not 25i that its actually lsz., almost thought he said lsc at first.  What gets me is the price.  $5 a hit?  also said something about vials for 150ish (forgot the price but somewhere in the $100s).  So i am a bit skeptical about wether its really a lyseric acid derivative or not.  All i really have to go on is his word.  Dont get me wrong, ill buy some lsz, but 25i, forget it.


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Anonymous #2

Re: liquid lsz? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19320990 - 12/24/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Test it :shrug: Nothing anybody on this site will confirm whether or not it is what it is untill you test it.  IMO I doubt he would be selling it that cheap per vial.  Makes no sense, it was selling for like 600-700 a sheet online not 4 months ago. And unless they made a huge batch I seriously doubt there is enough floating around for it to be that cheap.  But hey who knows? maybe you found "that guy" who just has too much.  Test it man.


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Anonymous #3

Re: liquid lsz? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #19321141 - 12/24/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
well i talked to him about 25i and stuff and he says its not 25i that its actually lsz., almost thought he said lsc at first.  What gets me is the price.  $5 a hit?  also said something about vials for 150ish (forgot the price but somewhere in the $100s).  So i am a bit skeptical about wether its really a lyseric acid derivative or not.  All i really have to go on is his word.  Dont get me wrong, ill buy some lsz, but 25i, forget it.



$5 a hit really is quite high of a price. Realize that a kilo of lysergic acid is a commodity product that would cost you roughly $1500 if you could buy it legitimately and the total cost to make LSZ is under $5000 per kilo which is roughly ten million doses. Whoever makes this likely doubles their money on the first gram they sell and then have another 999 grams in the kilo. We're raped without lube when we pay more than a dollar a hit. But its prohibition pricing and we're really just paying for the risk the suppliers are taking (life sentences), not for the product itself. Hope that is clear as crystal.


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Anonymous #1

Re: liquid lsz? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #19321188 - 12/24/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

better yet, ill send some friends his way and listen to their feedback. I would just be so mad if a drop of 25i hit my tongue. Theres no backing out once its dropped and im sure i wont enjoy my trip :mad2:


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Anonymous #2

Re: liquid lsz? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19321875 - 12/24/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
well i talked to him about 25i and stuff and he says its not 25i that its actually lsz., almost thought he said lsc at first.  What gets me is the price.  $5 a hit?  also said something about vials for 150ish (forgot the price but somewhere in the $100s).  So i am a bit skeptical about wether its really a lyseric acid derivative or not.  All i really have to go on is his word.  Dont get me wrong, ill buy some lsz, but 25i, forget it.



$5 a hit really is quite high of a price. Realize that a kilo of lysergic acid is a commodity product that would cost you roughly $1500 if you could buy it legitimately and the total cost to make LSZ is under $5000 per kilo which is roughly ten million doses. Whoever makes this likely doubles their money on the first gram they sell and then have another 999 grams in the kilo. We're raped without lube when we pay more than a dollar a hit. But its prohibition pricing and we're really just paying for the risk the suppliers are taking (life sentences), not for the product itself. Hope that is clear as crystal.



LSZ happens to give like 1/3 or 1/2 the yield of an LSD synthesis.  Thats makes it a ton more rare on the black market,  so theoretically it would be more expensive. 
You gotta think though, they are selling consciousness expansion in a pill.  It takes years to acquire skills sufficient to make even decently pure LSD.  LSZ takes alot more fiddling around from what I understand.  It definitely takes more sophisticated equipment.  Which is part of the reason its so rare, and the reason its only been noted as being made on the black market once by Picard.
I dont know :shrug: seems worth the money.


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Anonymous #3

Re: liquid lsz? [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #19322100 - 12/24/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Anonymous #2 said:
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Anonymous #1 said:
well i talked to him about 25i and stuff and he says its not 25i that its actually lsz., almost thought he said lsc at first.  What gets me is the price.  $5 a hit?  also said something about vials for 150ish (forgot the price but somewhere in the $100s).  So i am a bit skeptical about wether its really a lyseric acid derivative or not.  All i really have to go on is his word.  Dont get me wrong, ill buy some lsz, but 25i, forget it.



$5 a hit really is quite high of a price. Realize that a kilo of lysergic acid is a commodity product that would cost you roughly $1500 if you could buy it legitimately and the total cost to make LSZ is under $5000 per kilo which is roughly ten million doses. Whoever makes this likely doubles their money on the first gram they sell and then have another 999 grams in the kilo. We're raped without lube when we pay more than a dollar a hit. But its prohibition pricing and we're really just paying for the risk the suppliers are taking (life sentences), not for the product itself. Hope that is clear as crystal.



LSZ happens to give like 1/3 or 1/2 the yield of an LSD synthesis.  Thats makes it a ton more rare on the black market,  so theoretically it would be more expensive. 
You gotta think though, they are selling consciousness expansion in a pill.  It takes years to acquire skills sufficient to make even decently pure LSD.  LSZ takes alot more fiddling around from what I understand.  It definitely takes more sophisticated equipment.  Which is part of the reason its so rare, and the reason its only been noted as being made on the black market once by Picard.
I dont know :shrug: seems worth the money.



Every item you stated as a fact is incorrect. LSZ was developed by David Nichols at Purdue University and his paper wasn't even published until 2001, long after Pickard's last LSD bust. There is no evidence indicating that Pickard was even aware of Dr Nichol's research on the subject. Yield's using peptide coupling reagents are at least 70% and in line with what LSD yields would be given the same laboratory techniques. Someone has lied through their teeth to you and you believed it, even though it is so obviously wrong. Look into Dr Nichol's paper, circa 2001 on the subject and verify these fact for yourself.

It is my suspicion that perhaps dealers have lied about both the yield thing and that is circulated as LSD in order to somehow make it a more marketable product or pretend its what "classic LSD" was and seem to justify the absurdly high prices. That is the only explanation I can think of for your beliefs on this subject, because dealers will do and say anything to try to sell their product even if they know full well what lies they are telling.


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Anonymous #4

Re: liquid lsz? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19322103 - 12/24/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Anonymous #1 said:
A foaf whome i know claims to have liquid lsz, $5 a hit. Is this possible so soon?  Just don't want to be poisoned with 25i.  I'll look out for a bad taste.  Anyone here about this so soon?




25i is not a poison.


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Anonymous #2

Re: liquid lsz? [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #19323564 - 12/24/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Say whatever you want but there is some evidence that Pickard released it in the 90's as something he labeled diazadine.  And ya its much harder to produce,which is why hardly anyone has produced it.  And right now the only lsz out there is usually laid on blotter paper labelled lsz dosed at 150 ug a hit(for OP's info).  Its kind of a limited edition sort of thing until more labs around the world get the know how and equipment to synthesize it.
Hey I hope I'm wrong and a lot of this stuff gets out there for cheap, but as far as I know if you were to produce a ergoline you'd probly just make lsd as you get more yield and technically they're both clandestine substances.


Edited by Anonymous (12/24/13 10:43 PM)


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