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Spending MUST be gotten under control!! 1
#19316992 - 12/23/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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"I am in favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any excuse, for any reason, whenever it's possible.
The reason I am is because I believe the big problem is not taxes, the big problem is spending.
The question is, "How do you hold down government spending?" Government spending now amounts to close to 40% of national income not counting indirect spending through regulation and the like.
If you include that, you get up to roughly half. The real danger we face is that number will creep up and up and up.
The only effective way I think to hold it down, is to hold down the amount of income the government has. The way to do that is to cut taxes." --Milton Friedman
I am in agreement with this quote I fail to how any nation can survive if it spends itself into oblivion.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19317007 - 12/23/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Project to the masses this global theft I've been trying
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: natzyshroomer]
#19317097 - 12/23/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Governments interest in monetary worry, is apathetic at best. That's because money is just an illusion, an illusion they helped create. Changes are coming, and if you place value on money, and not on things that really matter, you're going to be in a hurt.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18] 2
#19317115 - 12/23/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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One BIG shell game
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19317123 - 12/23/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyone want to start a revolution with me?
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: nicechrisman]
#19317127 - 12/23/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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nicechrisman said: One BIG shell game
Close enough.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19317132 - 12/23/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TrentBoyett said: Anyone want to start a revolution with me?
It has already begun... Check out the Zeitgiest Movement. Listen to the shiz Peter Joseph is spittin'.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Tmethyl]
#19317134 - 12/23/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tmethyl said:

The Governments interest in monetary worry, is apathetic at best. That's because money is just an illusion, an illusion they helped create. Changes are coming, and if you place value on money, and not on things that really matter, you're going to be in a hurt. 
My friend I have no quarrel with money it is a fantastic way for economic transactions to be conducted. My concern is the state seizing more and more wealth and increasing its power.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19317139 - 12/23/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A revolution has been building for as long as "money" has been used as a yoke to control human beings. Our leaders have been assassinated, our ideas deemed outlandish. In the end, peace and love take precedence over greed in my reality.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: nicechrisman]
#19317146 - 12/23/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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Tmethyl said:

The Governments interest in monetary worry, is apathetic at best. That's because money is just an illusion, an illusion they helped create. Changes are coming, and if you place value on money, and not on things that really matter, you're going to be in a hurt. 
My friend I have no quarrel with money.
You will.  Quote:
nicechrisman said: I revolution has been building for as long as "money" has been used as a yoke to control human beings. Our leaders have been assassinated, our ideas deemed outlandish. In the end, peace and love take precedence over greed in my reality.
Well said.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19317159 - 12/23/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the spending of the state is what gives you your automobiles, computers, institutions (financial, educational, military, infrastructure and otherwise) and basically, all your stuff that you can garner from the marketplace.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Tmethyl]
#19317162 - 12/23/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tmethyl said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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Tmethyl said:

The Governments interest in monetary worry, is apathetic at best. That's because money is just an illusion, an illusion they helped create. Changes are coming, and if you place value on money, and not on things that really matter, you're going to be in a hurt. 
My friend I have no quarrel with money.
You will.  Quote:
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: akira_akuma]
#19317168 - 12/23/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: the spending of the state is what gives you your automobiles, computers, institutions (financial, educational, military, infrastructure and otherwise) and basically, all your stuff that you can garner from the marketplace.
Dude are you serious that is all private sector corporations the state creates nothing
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18] 1
#19317171 - 12/23/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice you broke the quoting system.Quote:
Gilgamesh18 said:
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akira_akuma said: the spending of the state is what gives you your automobiles, computers, institutions (financial, educational, military, infrastructure and otherwise) and basically, all your stuff that you can garner from the marketplace.
Dude are you serious that is all private sector corporations the state creates nothing
Agreed.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Tmethyl]
#19317179 - 12/23/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tmethyl said: Nice you broke the quoting system.Quote:
Gilgamesh18 said:
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akira_akuma said: the spending of the state is what gives you your automobiles, computers, institutions (financial, educational, military, infrastructure and otherwise) and basically, all your stuff that you can garner from the marketplace.
Dude are you serious that is all private sector corporations the state creates nothing
Agreed.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19317185 - 12/23/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TrentBoyett said: Anyone want to start a revolution with me?
Politicians of any color come from the masses, thousands of years of bullshit because humans as a whole suck. What will a revolution accomplish? Replacing one clown with another.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Tmethyl] 1
#19317189 - 12/23/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tmethyl said: Nice you broke the quoting system.Quote:
Gilgamesh18 said:
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akira_akuma said: the spending of the state is what gives you your automobiles, computers, institutions (financial, educational, military, infrastructure and otherwise) and basically, all your stuff that you can garner from the marketplace.
Dude are you serious that is all private sector corporations the state creates nothing
Agreed.
Double agreed.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: TopPmz]
#19317261 - 12/23/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If the US government taxed individuals just a little more, you wouldn't have a insane deficit.
I'm all for cutting the expenses. The question is, where? (cough...defense...cough).
I believe that efficiencies would be the best way to cut the expenses. If the public sector in US is like Canada, then you guys have thousands of overpaid employees grabbing their asses and taking 30 minute break 4 times a day. That's where you'll save money
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19317266 - 12/23/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: the spending of the state is what gives you your automobiles, computers, institutions (financial, educational, military, infrastructure and otherwise) and basically, all your stuff that you can garner from the marketplace.
Dude are you serious that is all private sector corporations the state creates nothing
didn't say the state creates anything, i said the states spending creates the infrastructure for the economy to take place in. all the state does is spend in order to have created and to have the ability to create structure.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: akira_akuma]
#19317281 - 12/23/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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akira_akuma said: the spending of the state is what gives you your automobiles, computers, institutions (financial, educational, military, infrastructure and otherwise) and basically, all your stuff that you can garner from the marketplace.
Dude are you serious that is all private sector corporations the state creates nothing
didn't say the state creates anything, i said the states spending creates the infrastructure for the economy to take place in.
And if that was all the state did I would be fine with it sadly they overstep there constitutional bounds and continue to grow in power and control over the average american
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19317296 - 12/23/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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how so? (this is where you explain your inherent believes and facts of the situation as you see it)
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: akira_akuma]
#19317326 - 12/23/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The state is fine to maintain infratructure and provide the defense for the nation anything beyond that should be left to the private sector now I wish I could elaborate but I am going to see american hustle and get really stoned
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19317355 - 12/23/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I still believe that my post has the answer
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I believe that efficiencies would be the best way to cut the expenses. If the public sector in US is like Canada, then you guys have thousands of overpaid employees grabbing their asses and taking 30 minute break 4 times a day. That's where you'll save money
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19317387 - 12/23/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: The state is fine to maintain infratructure and provide the defense for the nation anything beyond that should be left to the private sector now I wish I could elaborate but I am going to see american hustle and get really stoned
American Hustle... that looks like an awesome movie. tell us how it is after! the commercial makes it look pretty interesting; plus, Christian Bale.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Patlal]
#19317400 - 12/23/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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have you guys considered that maybe, the american government is just a model for the people to take after? like... when we receive messages like "the government should stop spending" it may mean "OK american people, stop spending money for a while". like a message from the hivemind?
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: stimpson]
#19317668 - 12/23/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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stimpson said: have you guys considered that maybe, the american government is just a model for the people to take after? like... when we receive messages like "the government should stop spending" it may mean "OK american people, stop spending money for a while". like a message from the hivemind?
Yes, I've thought about that. Kind of paranoid but who knows
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: akira_akuma]
#19318032 - 12/23/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: the spending of the state is what gives you your automobiles, computers, institutions (financial, educational, military, infrastructure and otherwise) and basically, all your stuff that you can garner from the marketplace.
Really, if "the state" is what makes the private sector, why aren't all the shit holes across the globe thriving economies?
Where is this great "blueprint" that creates automatic success? It must be very simple, just let the "state" create the wealth and economic prosperity.
"The spending of the state" is not a formula for success, is usually a formula for disaster.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: qman]
#19318265 - 12/23/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Historically (from 1930-present) the average annual deficit as a percentage of GDP is -3.2%. It will be back to its historical average by 2015. By 2017 we'll have a $20 trillion economy with an annual deficit around $500 billion (2.5% of $20T).
That is not bad at all. But you guys are ANGRY, and DUMB, so I won't stop you from GETTING ALL FIRED UP AND ANGRYYYYYYYYYYY!
First column is year, then GDP, last column is % deficit of GDP:
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Confucian]
#19318515 - 12/23/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Confucian said: Historically (from 1930-present) the average annual deficit as a percentage of GDP is -3.2%. It will be back to its historical average by 2015. By 2017 we'll have a $20 trillion economy with an annual deficit around $500 billion (2.5% of $20T).
That is not bad at all. But you guys are ANGRY, and DUMB, so I won't stop you from GETTING ALL FIRED UP AND ANGRYYYYYYYYYYY!
First column is year, then GDP, last column is % deficit of GDP:

Dude, you really believe in this government "forecasts"?
Do you know what the government forecast 10 years ago about what our current situation would be today? They thought we would be in SURPLUS!!
The point is, by 2017, we will have around $20 trillion in debt, that problem is NOT going away, and it will be a major problem one day in the future.
"But you guys are ANGRY, and DUMB"
No, your gullibility into believing budget forecasts is the only thing that qualifies as dumb.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: qman]
#19318531 - 12/23/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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qman said: No, your gullibility into believing budget forecasts is the only thing that qualifies as dumb.
I have to completely agree with this. Though I fancy myself not, as one of the angry and dumb fools; whosoever they may be.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: akira_akuma]
#19318711 - 12/23/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: The state is fine to maintain infratructure and provide the defense for the nation anything beyond that should be left to the private sector now I wish I could elaborate but I am going to see american hustle and get really stoned
American Hustle... that looks like an awesome movie. tell us how it is after! the commercial makes it look pretty interesting; plus, Christian Bale.
It was a pretty good flick very entertaining good performances all around I would definatly reccommend it.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19318852 - 12/23/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said:
The only effective way I think to hold it down, is to hold down the amount of income the government has. The way to do that is to cut taxes." --Milton Friedman
The reason I don't believe that cutting does any good is because if the government doesn't get it through taxes they just run the fucking printing presses longer.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19318861 - 12/23/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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The Governments interest in monetary worry, is apathetic at best. That's because money is just an illusion, an illusion they helped create. Changes are coming, and if you place value on money, and not on things that really matter, you're going to be in a hurt. 
My friend I have no quarrel with money it is a fantastic way for economic transactions to be conducted. My concern is the state seizing more and more wealth and increasing its power.
Liberals want a redistribution of wealth to help close the disparity gap in wealth between the rich and poor.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Magicman69]
#19318877 - 12/23/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Liberals want a redistribution of wealth to pretend to close the disparity gap in wealth between the rich and poor and keep the poor voting for them and hence keeping them in power so they can milk the middle class for themselves and fo their buddies in industy.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19318909 - 12/23/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: The state is fine to maintain infratructure and provide the defense for the nation anything beyond that should be left to the private sector now I wish I could elaborate but I am going to see american hustle and get really stoned
American Hustle... that looks like an awesome movie. tell us how it is after! the commercial makes it look pretty interesting; plus, Christian Bale.
It was a pretty good flick very entertaining good performances all around I would definatly reccommend it.
definitely seems worth it.
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Re: Spending MUST be gotten under control!! [Re: akira_akuma]
#19318960 - 12/23/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, this is what "the end of the world" is all about, you know, december 21st, 2012. I think the world is getting closer to accepting that money is all just a fucking illusion. What keeps this illusion alive is the people in fucking government. They control it. It gets created out of thin air.
What DOESN"T help is all the fuckers who go to the retail stores and buy shit up. Fuck consumerism.
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