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Invisiblelarry.fisherman
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Insomnia is getting too much
    #19315405 - 12/23/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I work night shifts right now. The way I'm scheduled is very random so I never have a chance to get used to it. Lately I have been very sleep deprived. In the last four days, I slept two hours tops yesterday, and am still up since. I can sleep. It's fucking impossible. No matter what I do my body is getting used to this, but I'm tired, my muscles are sore, I'm bitchy, my heart fucking hurts my BP is definitely up. I don't know what to do. Getting another job is obvious but this one was hard enough. In the last two weeks I have missed at least 8 days of sleep, and that's not divided. I can't even remember anymore. I feel like I'm just fucked. Last night I was hallucinating WELL. Maybe not crazy but for someone who was dead sober it was just not right. It's becoming a pattern. For a while I loved this, because it was essentially eliminating my weed tolerance, but now I just want to sleep on the regular. If I come home and lay down right away, I don't sleep. If I stay up to tire my mind, I become too over tired!

I need some advice from people who are used to working night shifts like this, and how they get to sleep. This is ridiculous. I have a history of insomnia but that was a couple years ago now. It's like I've awakened the murderous whore in my mind who wants me fucking dead. I  feel like I'm constantly on the edge of snapping. Please, for the love of fuck, give me some ideas to put my ass to sleep.

I want to sleep but I want to have a life too. HELP.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19315418 - 12/23/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i take Diphenhydramine to help me sleep sometimes. works like a charm.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19315426 - 12/23/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Melatonin has helped me in the past, but I tend to become pretty tolerant to it after a while.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #19315450 - 12/23/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have diphen, it's not working for me. Is melatonin something I could get a the pharmacy without a script?


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19315480 - 12/23/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I think it is in with the natural remedies/vitamins.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #19315483 - 12/23/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sweet thanks :thumbup:


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19315528 - 12/23/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's a bad situation to be in. To survive it well requires a lot

1) a major shift in mental paradigms. (You've probably already done this by instinct, the trick now is to feed it with conscious thoughts) Repeat the phrase, "This is life during war time. I am at war." Laugh a little bit, all insane like, soldier, cause you're at motherfucking war, and if you're about to survive this, it's going to take all of those years of training/education that you have to figure out a way to access while in a totally zapped, sleep deprived state.

2) A cocktail of over the counter sleep aids and caffeine. Meltaonin is alright to take, but keep in mind that it's going to leave you drowsy in the morning. There's anihistamines. I suggest pot, but perhaps this isn't a possibility in your situation. Kava Kava tea is great, and if you have a local co-op, you can just buy kava root and brew it in water yourself, making really strong kava tea that'll put you out (for a few hours. Now that your in this state, even the mightiest of sleep aids may only grant you 3-4 hours of sleep. Masturbating often helps, when you wake up in the middle of the night.)

If you ever have a significant period of time off where you can afford to sleep 12 hours, go out and find someone with a script for seroquel. You'll wake up feeling like a champ, hopefully with enough time to job search elsewhere.

You're going to need uppers, and you're going to need the right kind. Black coffee. No sugar = no sugar crash. Make your coffee dark with dark roast beans, and if timing/taste is an issue, make it hours before you plan to drink it, stick it in the fridge, and then pour it over ice and drink it with a straw, bypassing most of your tongue. In this fashion, you can actually put down 6 cups of coffee in less than ten minutes.

I avidly support 5 hour energy. It doesn't really jack me up, but it improves my mental clarity when I'm in a fog. It supposedly does so by giving you toxic levels of B vitamins so 1) drink the whole 5 hour energy slowly. Sip on it for over an hour 2) Some B vitamin complexes wouldn't hurt. In all honesty, I LOVE taking the occasional niacin. Other vitamins should be factored in as well- your body is going through hell and you are losing years off of your life living like this.

Take all of my advice with a grain of salt. I dont even know if your healthy enough for 2 cups of coffee etc. especially since your BP is elevated. Learn to really listen to your body and use your best judgement.

Best of luck to you man. Life during wartime...sometimes you never really come back, even when the war is over


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: lot_justice]
    #19315573 - 12/23/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man :thumbup:

I'll give some of that a try. My GF is walking to the pharmacy for me to look for melatonin since I'm not good to drive right now.

The worst part about this for me is, like you said, it's incredibly unhealthy and I'm a very health conscious individual.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19315582 - 12/23/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm glad you mentioned Kava Kava actually, I've been wanting to give that a try.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19315587 - 12/23/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sometime the universe teaches some tough lessons. Y'know, it doesn't always agree with western society. At this moment it's probably screaming "Dear Jeebus!, make this boy quit and take care of him until he finds different work, so many of you have surplus!"

The good thing is that the universe is probably on your side here. Just be impeccable, and things will fall into place soon for you


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: lot_justice]
    #19316479 - 12/23/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I couldn't find Kava Kava anywhere, and melatonin was completely ineffective. If anything, I would describe where it took me, was meditative.

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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19316493 - 12/23/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

kava is available online then. kava kava tea is sold at almost any grocery store in the yogi brand, but gets pricey like that. Valerian root supplements might be the next approach.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: lot_justice]
    #19316502 - 12/23/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I already tried valerian...


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: lot_justice]
    #19316506 - 12/23/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

take a super fat bong rip of some heavy indica strain, should knock you out eventually, that or drink yourself to sleep.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: schwarg]
    #19316519 - 12/23/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I smoke weed all the time, and the amount of alcohol I would be comfortable drinking would only make me more aware.

Thanks for the ideas guys.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19316725 - 12/23/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
I already tried valerian...




That smells like stale ass, :lol: . I'm drinking it atm.
My heart vibrates my whole body so i have to do deep breathing for about 5-10 minutes before i settle down and that calms it. I have a trick of counting in a non linear pattern,

1 1000 5 1000 3 1000 4 1000 2 1000, 1 1000 5 1000 3 1000 4 1000 2 1000 over and over then switch to a different pattern when it gets boring, 2 1000 3 1000 1 1000 5 1000 4 1000,  2 1000 3 1000 1 1000 5 1000 4 1000, whatever really. It's hard to keep it up without your thoughts wandering but it puts me out in half an hour if i keep at it.

I'm prescribed Amitriptyline but a lot of people don't like the side effects. They're non addictive though so i'm happy to put up with it for the extra help. They stop me feeling strung out like that shitty insomnia feeling.

Getting to bed earlier when i'm tired instead of staying up late is helping but i don't think that's much good for you.

I was thinking about making a insomnia forum here with info and stuff but i wasn't sure if it was a good idea or not.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19316753 - 12/23/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The insomnia forum is worth a shot. I'll try your counting thing later. I'm definitely at the strung out phase. Earlier I felt tweeked, like I was on speed or some shit.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19316783 - 12/23/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Kava Kava is an extremely useful and approachable means to a sleep aid, you should definitely try that out OP. good idea, lot_justice.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19316836 - 12/23/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's worth a try. It's sort of meditation i suppose. It breaks up your thought patterns. Don't get stressed if your mind wanders, just get back to it.
Good luck.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19316865 - 12/23/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OP, have you tried listening to some soft volume ambient music...? i do that to help myself with insomnia.

stuff like Steve Roach albums...



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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19316878 - 12/23/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Music :thumbup:

I totally forgot. I used to sleep to music all the time. I'll give your tunes a shot when I go to bed. If that doesn't work maybe Pink Floyd will do the trick.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19317091 - 12/23/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The thing that helps me the most with my insomnia is reishi mushroom extract.  I have also ordered some kratom to see if it works for me.  The interesting thing about the reishi is I take it in the morning and noon(I don't work overnights) and it gives me lots of energy and focus, and helps me sleep when I finally get to bed.  It can get pricey, but make sure you read your reviews before purchasing because the capsules can be filled with non-active substances such as flour.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19317141 - 12/23/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

XLCaps said:
Music :thumbup:

I totally forgot. I used to sleep to music all the time. I'll give your tunes a shot when I go to bed. If that doesn't work maybe Pink Floyd will do the trick.



i do it everynight, otherwise i have a hell of a time turning my mind off. :thumbup: it hasn't failed me yet... at least if i have one of those night where i just lay coffin style in meditation, at least i have something to listen to to keep my mind busy; and if it works right, i end up listening myself to sleep. :smile:


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19317175 - 12/23/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

had my first hallucination from sleep deprivation this morning while going to work and it lasted at least 4 hours. maybe I'm beign paranoid but I could tell that people notice something was wrong with me, I recognised the look on their face. I wish they'd ask what was up so I could explain myself but nope, they're happy with their bullshit assumption about me.
my patience is down to -5 and coincidently the last 24hrs gave me TONS of reason to lose my shit.
soon it'll be christmas and all I can think of is to kill someone.

as soon as NYE is over I'm trying to see a doctor and hopefully he put me on something strong because nothing work anymore, not even 25mg of etizolam.

guys, don't let it get this far.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: Synth Ethics] * 1
    #19317195 - 12/23/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Synth Ethics said:
had my first hallucination from sleep deprivation this morning while going to work and it lasted at least 4 hours. maybe I'm beign paranoid but I could tell that people notice something was wrong with me, I recognised the look on their face. I wish they'd ask what was up so I could explain myself but nope, they're happy with their bullshit assumption about me.
my patience is down to -5 and coincidently the last 24hrs gave me TONS of reason to lose my shit.
soon it'll be christmas and all I can think of is to kill someone.

as soon as NYE is over I'm trying to see a doctor and hopefully he put me on something strong because nothing work anymore, not even 25mg of etizolam.

guys, don't let it get this far.



Hope you get it worked out for ya bud.

Sleep deprivation is horrible.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19317915 - 12/23/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You might consider seeing a specialist that can identify the cause of the problem rather than using medication to cover it.  Of course, if there is no way to identify it(such as myself), I would try more natural remedies rather than addicting drugs.  My doctor gave me ambien for a little while, and when I discontinued it's use due to a dependency on it, my insomnia became much worse. 

I found 5-htp to be pretty helpful as well and you can get it over the counter.  Like anything, do your research or talk to a doctor before trying it in case you have an unknown issue that will interact poorly with it.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: Cheezymold]
    #19317923 - 12/23/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Earlier the melatonin I got was supplemented with 5htp. I took two.

it's k though i got high


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19318008 - 12/23/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I noticed that the effects of 5-htp are kind of random on a day-to-day basis.  I usually would take them after school/work because sometimes it would knock me out, sometimes it would make me feel a little stoned, sometimes it did nothing at all.  It helps stimulate the body's production of serotonin.  From what I understand though, too much serotonin can have a negative impact on the body.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: Cheezymold]
    #19319011 - 12/23/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

May I suggest....MARIJUANA??? If you can't smoke due to drug tests, then you need to get a prescription for SEROQUEL. Just a very low dose, like 25 or 50mg. That shit will make you SLEEEEEP GOOOOOOOOD!!! It's pretty much impossible to stay awake on that shit. As soon as it kicks in, you NEED to lay down. It literally makes you want to sleep. I don't suggest taking it to get high, it doesn't get you high, it just makes you want to sleep.

Oh, and don't fuck around with melatonin or anything made naturally in your brain. You're really just supposed to take those no more than 2 weeks and it's not a permanent solution. And it's not the exact same melatonin that's made in your brain, they get it from plants. Besides, melatonin works to NORMALIZE your sleep patterns, and your sleep patterns are everything BUT normal. So melatonin will do you no good, it may even make you depressed because it will confuse your brain into thinking that you need to go to sleep at a certain time every day, and that's just not possible. Melatonin is also responsible for normalizing moods, which you really don't want to fuck with.

When you say "BP" do you mean "bipolar"?? If you're bipolar, you NEED to do SOMETHING to get some god damn sleep. Not getting enough sleep is a SUREFIRE way to become psychotic. Believe me, I'm bipolar type 2. Not enough sleep is no bueno. I can't even function, I'd might as well call in sick if I didn't get enough sleep.

I take seroquel and I also smoke weed.

Oh yah, and over the counter sleep aids are just antihistamines and your tolerance SKYROCKETS VERY FAST with those drugs. Don't take an over the counter sleep aid more than 2 or 3 days in a row and only take it 2-3 times a week. With that being said, your tolerance goes up higher if you take it daily, which counter-effects the fact that it makes you sleep. I used to take generic over the counter form of doxylamine succinate (I hated diphenhydramine due to the sleeping pill hangover it would give me) but I ended up having to take more and more until finally it just stopped doing anything whatsoever after a few years. And I mean I would take like 4, 5, or 6 pills (the recommended dose is 1 pill) and NOTHING would happen and I'd spend a night sleepless.

Seroquel is my godsend for getting me to sleep.

Hope you figure out a solution soon...sending positive vibes your way..


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: occollegeboi]
    #19319026 - 12/23/13 11:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh yah, you may want to consider sleeping with headphones on to DELTA brainwave music. Use headphones to get the effect in your brain and do NOT use any other brainwave other than delta for sleep. There is alpha, beta, gamma, theta, delta, epsilon, and lambda brainwaves... use delta for sleep. Trust me, you will feel refreshed when you wake up because it literally forces your brain to have the same waves as it does during heavy deep REM sleep.

Just go to itunes or amazon mp3 and type something like, "delta brainwave" or "delta entrainment" or "delta bineural" without the quotation marks of course. Or just search for "brainwave" and you should find a lot of stuff with delta waves. Kelly Howell is good, Steve Halpern is good, Dr Jeffrey Thompson is good, just to name a few of the really good brainwave music creators.

Just buy whatever you find to be soothing, relaxing, and something that won't annoy you or anything like that.


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: occollegeboi]
    #19319920 - 12/24/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the reply, I already smoke weed dude. It definitely does not help with the sleep. I meant blood pressure with BP, I could feel it. I'll definitely give the delta waves a shot.

I got like maybe 2-3 hours last night. Yay :shrug:

I want to leave something like seroquel as a last resort. I feel a little sketchy about pharmaceuticals.

Thanks for your concern bro :thumbup:


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19319939 - 12/24/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Masturbate furiously I always fall asleep after


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Re: Insomnia is getting too much [Re: mushroommadness]
    #19319944 - 12/24/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have a girlfriend :loldongs:


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