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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Enjoywho]
#19313684 - 12/22/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
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Weed is fine for me and I see at as no big deal, but that's because I follow the Erowid motto:
Know your mind, know your body, know your substance, know your source. I know my own mind and body so I am able to make that judgement, and others too. Everyone is different, the physiological effects of weed could really affect some and some others less so, such as raising heart rates.
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
#19313728 - 12/22/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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is that supposed to be glib? i already said, their list is good.
Right my bad then, I misinterpreted part of your last post. 
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like you said; in reverse, it still works.
I thought you were arguing that it always works in the order you mentioned?
Also I see no reason to believe that these effects won't occur independently. I can't be bothered reading sources to prove either way tbh because I just don't care enough but are you actually basing this theory off decent sources/studies or just your own thoughts?
decent sources; i didnt just make it all up. PS: there IS no reason to believe that those effects cant or wont happen independently. 
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TopPmz said: You're just arguing to argue. Repeating the same thing doesn't make it any more true.
The fact of the matter is, your body chemistry is different from mine, which is different than his, which is different than the next guy's. That being the case, weed has the potential to affect each of us very, very differently. And while it might not cause those symptoms for you, or me, or anyone you've ever seen smoke weed, it could cause those symptoms in them.
Like I said earlier, neither of us has any idea what they experienced, because we didn't experience it. To tell someone what they experienced can't have happened the way they say it did, and to continue to argue with them about it, is nothing short of arrogance.
i wasnt arguing with them, they started arguing with me; and Torkie just didnt like what i was saying... and i wasnt trying to prove anything to him, i was only stating how he could be wrong in his assertion that weed caused his black out and subsequent seizure.
he didnt like that... you didnt like that, other posters didnt like that. its like trying to dissuade the mob; and i didnt even start an argument... just had a reasonable conclusion and opinion that someone didnt like. no hair of of my back, but its been interesting trying to explain to you guys how a point of view works, and how medicine works.
so there is that... and yes, you can call me arrogant. this thread has made me quite arrogant, maybe... just maybe i am already an arrogant kinda guy. certainly didnt start out that way in this thread, though... how it started was by me stating some facts, from my point of view, and pretty well established facts at that. sorry to offend you so much.
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DatIslandLife said: such as raising heart rates.
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weed warped my priorities I would be a very different person without weed I love it and hate it Managed to get my shit together after all though so all is well
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: thelanzii] 1
#19314351 - 12/23/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong, I know many functional stoners, but I can't help but think about how much more they could have achieved if they had just let the drug go while they had the chance.
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I didn't assert that weed caused a seizure. The OP was partly about LSD and weed. So i said i had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed. Obviously not just weed. I said it was a panic response and i was on shrooms. I don't think the trip would have ran away from me were i not so stoned, because they generally didn't. Is this so hard for you to get your head around ?
You've gone from point to point, spouting nonsense or just repeating what i already said like you were telling me something new, and being a dick about it. This is easily the most obnoxious interaction i've had on this site in 8 years here.
And i never said i had palpitations originally, it always started with a pain that my head blew out of proportion. I was absolutely fine when i stood up to go to the toilet.
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
#19314847 - 12/23/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I too found Akira's posts a bit confusing.
First he said that weed didn't cause paranoia, anxiety, etc. Then he said that it can be caused as a secondary result of the increased heart-rate that weed can cause. Then he pretty much told me that those effects can be caused by weed (independently of heart-rate increase)
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
#19315367 - 12/23/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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words are confusing, especially if you make assumptions on why they are being said. birdland, i was never making an argument to tie all of the above together into a neat package. i was subverted from my original statement because Torkie and souple others required explanation of what i meant, and the topic kinda veered off course. of course, upon saying words... people got offended, thus causing more abject de-railing. it's not my fauly people take words and get offended by them for no reason and blow things out of proportion. heck, i'm right along with them for the ride.
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Torkie said: I didn't assert that weed caused a seizure. The OP was partly about LSD and weed. So i said i had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed. Obviously not just weed. I said it was a panic response and i was on shrooms. I don't think the trip would have ran away from me were i not so stoned, because they generally didn't. Is this so hard for you to get your head around ?
You've gone from point to point, spouting nonsense or just repeating what i already said like you were telling me something new, and being a dick about it. This is easily the most obnoxious interaction i've had on this site in 8 years here.
And i never said i had palpitations originally, it always started with a pain that my head blew out of proportion. I was absolutely fine when i stood up to go to the toilet.
Give me strength.
saying "you reckon it was because you smoked too much weed" is pretty well the same thing as saying it was "because of the weed". which is pretty well what i was saying probably wasn't what it was. sorry if you can't accept another point of view you can't agree with... and that words annoy you so. PS: a pain that your "head blew out of proportion" is exactly the kinda paranoia i'm referring to. i wasn't being a dick (at least not intentionally, certainly didn't call anyone a dick or anything like you have) i wasn't "spouting nonsense" but you can believe whatever you want. i was explaining to you some things in the form of words... which can offend some people, if they are usually slighted by nothing... which i can't just tell off the bat, because this is the internet, and you gotta just post some shit to see if anyone is going to partake in discussion or just whine about how hurt their feelwings are.
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blackglass6219 said: I agree with you OP, but it's still a drug and comes with negative effects (even if they are mild) that people should be aware of
PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW , lmao
I guess every ape gets to be young once but why don't you direct your teen angst in a better direction .
For the record the only "negative effect" from marijuana comes from the carcinogens in the smoke itself .
I.E if your a little bitch :: vape it / eat it / dab it .
Some of us like that tarry goodness .
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: HeroMike]
#19316396 - 12/23/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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blackglass6219 said: I agree with you OP, but it's still a drug and comes with negative effects (even if they are mild) that people should be aware of
PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW , lmao
I guess every ape gets to be young once but why don't you direct your teen angst in a better direction .
For the record the only "negative effect" from marijuana comes from the carcinogens in the smoke itself .
I.E if your a little bitch :: vape it / eat it / dab it .
Some of us like that tarry goodness .
It was actually recently proven that marijuana combats cancer so well, that even smoking it poses almost no risk of getting cancer.
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma] 3
#19316574 - 12/23/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: words are confusing, especially if you make assumptions on why they are being said. birdland, i was never making an argument to tie all of the above together into a neat package. i was subverted from my original statement because Torkie and souple others required explanation of what i meant, and the topic kinda veered off course. of course, upon saying words... people got offended, thus causing more abject de-railing. it's not my fauly people take words and get offended by them for no reason and blow things out of proportion. heck, i'm right along with them for the ride.
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Torkie said: I didn't assert that weed caused a seizure. The OP was partly about LSD and weed. So i said i had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed. Obviously not just weed. I said it was a panic response and i was on shrooms. I don't think the trip would have ran away from me were i not so stoned, because they generally didn't. Is this so hard for you to get your head around ?
You've gone from point to point, spouting nonsense or just repeating what i already said like you were telling me something new, and being a dick about it. This is easily the most obnoxious interaction i've had on this site in 8 years here.
And i never said i had palpitations originally, it always started with a pain that my head blew out of proportion. I was absolutely fine when i stood up to go to the toilet.
Give me strength.
saying "you reckon it was because you smoked too much weed" is pretty well the same thing as saying it was "because of the weed". which is pretty well what i was saying probably wasn't what it was. sorry if you can't accept another point of view you can't agree with... and that words annoy you so. PS: a pain that your "head blew out of proportion" is exactly the kinda paranoia i'm referring to. i wasn't being a dick (at least not intentionally, certainly didn't call anyone a dick or anything like you have) i wasn't "spouting nonsense" but you can believe whatever you want. i was explaining to you some things in the form of words... which can offend some people, if they are usually slighted by nothing... which i can't just tell off the bat, because this is the internet, and you gotta just post some shit to see if anyone is going to partake in discussion or just whine about how hurt their feelwings are.

Jesus your posts are boring and long. You just talk and talk about some opinion that doesn't matter and you truly think you're right. I don't even read them anymore, it's just a headache.
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good, i'm glad i gave you a headache. your posts have always been the same in your two years or so, here... and have always given me a headache, with your lack of information, your pathetic retorts, and your inherent uninteresting quality of your posts. big whoop. my posting style varies from time to time, because there are several different walks of life on this board, and i'd like to learn and try to accommodate each one of them to the best of my abilities.
have something other then "Weed" or "tripping" or "shit talk" to talk about, then you start ranting about my posts being "boring". until then i'll wait until a more fascinating subject comes along to actually discuss, or until someone(s) starts a conversation that isn't about fecal matter, growths, politics, and drugs. i'll be there, gladly to discuss topics that aren't redundant.
this subject however... weed... i have nothing more to say on the subject unless i have to correct people on misunderstood facts; then i'll say something because i'm personally sick of it and i'll do what i please, in order to correct or injure the arguments for misappropriated "facts", that are slung around so often around here... and because people can't stop talking about weed. (look i made this stinking thread, first anyways and look how this has turned out... now we get a thread every week about "weed isn't bad stop complaining people"; then people still complain and the only person that will try and get them to shut the fuck up about it is me (apparently). i know i shouldn't try so hard, and i think i'm liable to stop considering all you people do, with your narrow and shallow point of view, is insult me for what i'm saying, when i am not insulting you... hell, i am not even insulting back at this stage anymore, because it's useless. the people that will listen, will see that i am only trying to help and not trying to annoy anyone. i don't care if i do though, because people like yourself will always try and meander of to the opinion that "i'm so lame, look at your posts god so lame"; not realizing that i get that type of response from one type of ponce around here... so i find it not only quite funny, but also... kinda redundant too. so i don't care, but it's losing it's edge. you ponces (that's my words for you now ponces) can keep rattling your sharp tongue about how "lame my posts are" but you haven't even had a conversation with me... you don't even know me... and you don't make any attempt to make any conversation anywhere, because you are indeed boringly meandering around the internet posting sweet nothings for your own useless entertainment about fart jokes and of course drugs.
THAT's LAME. way lamer then having objectivity. i might get into these useless "debates" and "debacles" but it's only because i am reflecting in my own words what the subject matter is concurrently about in these types of threads.
catch me in a good thread, duder... but oh yeah... you don't wanna be there... you wanna be talking about the same old shit you wanna talk about anyways, because that's what you do... that's YOUR life (so many others)
i could be more crass, but i've given that up... and now i've got more haters then ever! must be doin something right.
go back and troll OTD some more.
PS: i guess the amount of words in a persons post automatically presumes the indelible assertion that they think they are right. but i'll have you know, i inquired about no such thing. i shared my opinions, and gave logical discourse. a few other posters did to, who disagree with me, and i give them props for not getting offended over words.
PPS: words words and more words, am i more right now?
Edited by akira_akuma (12/23/13 03:44 PM)
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It is a big deal when I don't have it and want it. Other than that, it's not a big deal. The good news is that it grows on trees, and I'm good at growing trees.
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I can't speak for anyone else who's disagreed with you in this thread, but I haven't been offended by anything you've said. I just think you're wrong.
It seems to me that if you post a differing opinion, its ok, but when we post an opinion that's different from yours, we're arguing with you. It has indeed been an argument, but you're no less at fault than the rest of us.
You've stated that you're expressing opinions, and you've stated that you're correcting misunderstood facts. It can only be one or the other.
If you have a problem with these types of threads, and want a 'better one' to post in, why don't you just skip over these threads? Why not make a thread that provokes intelligent discussion rather than telling people the flaws in their threads?
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Jesus your posts are boring and long. You just talk and talk about some opinion that doesn't matter and you truly think you're right. I don't even read them anymore, it's just a headache.
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
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TopPmz said: I can't speak for anyone else who's disagreed with you in this thread, but I haven't been offended by anything you've said. I just think you're wrong.
It seems to me that if you post a differing opinion, its ok, but when we post an opinion that's different from yours, we're arguing with you.
read my last post again... i didn't say those who disagreed with me were arguing and i actually just said that i appreciated that your opinions were different and that you disagreed with me without taking offense to what i was saying... you're included in that appreciation. i didn't say (not once) that those that were differing in opinion were arguing. look at my post. you can see that i did no such thing. i actually said the opposite of what you just said i said. (that you thought i said that you were taking offense to what i was saying... i din't... i didn't even say that, so )
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You've stated that you're expressing opinions, and you've stated that you're correcting misunderstood facts. It can only be one or the other.
If you have a problem with these types of threads, and want a 'better one' to post in, why don't you just skip over these threads? Why not make a thread that provokes intelligent discussion rather than telling people the flaws in their threads?
see, by your logic, i'm somehow unable to correct what i find as a misappropriate fact, without it being my own opinion. that's just not the case... IT IS my opinion, and furthermore, i didn't come in here to correct any "facts", but i've certainly had to, after being told that Paranoia can cause seizure... that's what the guy said, even if he was misunderstood, he could have said that. he didn't... he just concluded that i wasn't "believing his story"; which had nothing to do with anything i was saying. see, i can say what i want, it's up to you if you wanna see it as me finding fault, or me just discussing the topic. which i have been this whole time, other then addressing personal posts, such as this one, towards me.
see how that works? you keep asking me to go away, and other people keep saying "go away" but i'm just discussing the topic at hand. dispelling weed myths and proclaiming what is "good about weed" is IN THE THREAD TITLE itself.
if you guys wanna keep making this bout me though, i'm happy to oblige.
Edited by akira_akuma (12/23/13 04:58 PM)
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I don't have a problem with anything yQuote:
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TopPmz said: I can't speak for anyone else who's disagreed with you in this thread, but I haven't been offended by anything you've said. I just think you're wrong.
It seems to me that if you post a differing opinion, its ok, but when we post an opinion that's different from yours, we're arguing with you.
read my last post again... i didn't say those who disagreed with me were arguing and i actually just said that i appreciated that your opinions were different and that you disagreed with me without taking offense to what i was saying... you're included in that appreciation. i didn't say (not once) that those that were differing in opinion were arguing. look at my post. you can see that i did no such thing. i actually said the opposite of what you just said i said. (that you thought i said that you were taking offense to what i was saying... i din't... i didn't even say that, so ) .
My mistake for misunderstanding that point. I appreciate a good debate, and I appreciate differing points of view.
However, you CAN NOT correct a fact with an opinion. It simply doesn't work that way.
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
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never said i was correcting facts entirely, i said i was correcting the misappropriation of them. i like medicine... i like talking about changes in physiology and psychological behavior (which go hand in hand with taking drugs)
can't blame me for talking about things that interest me, on a forum about drugs and in a thread about weed, with users stating physiological effects can be "caused by paranoia". this kind of thinking interests me; especially since, it's backwards... it's not paranoia that causes physiological change, it's paranoia that dispels the reasoning (rational reasoning) of "the causes of physiological change".
see, this is my opinion, and i'm entitled to it; because i am thinking rational human being. i never said anyone had to agree or was stupid or lame or argumentative with what they didn't like.
actually it seems, I'M THE ONE being attacked here, this whole time... heck this thread is practically about me now, because of a few users that either "Don't like me, first of all" or that was taken back so by my comments that they feel like i was attacking them (when i wasn't) or being meandering (which talking about this shit is, but that's not why i'm here, see my first posts in this thread; i'm not talking about this shit) and they "don't like me" now, and wanna make this discussion about that... it's not... this discussion is about weed and the effects garnered a:from weed: and b:from people's disdain and/or gratitude towards weed.
this isn't about me, or Torkie or anyone personally, and i've never concluded that it was, not once in this entire thread.
although, with this post i am getting pretty close to it, because it's reaching levels of ridiculousness. (expected, sure, but boy lotta hate goin' round, over mere words; and non-threatening or offensive ones at that... just "posting styles" and opinions that people don't like and are getting taken back by, because "it's me that's making them heard".)
pretty stupid, even of me; to think that this could have maybe not snowballed so much out of proportion, over me substituting someone's idea of what happened to them, with what i thought may have happened to them. LOL, that guy nor anyone else who doesn't want their story discussed, should try not posting about it on the internet where people generally will discuss anything. oh and long winded posts too... *clink* i bet i can be more long winded then anyone around here (and arrogant too ) only, in this thread... this wasn't that.
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