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the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom?
#19312574 - 12/22/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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while not mutually exclusive I think they can diverge at points. in those times of divergence, which do you choose to pursue?
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Kickle] 1
#19312643 - 12/22/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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wizzdum
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Kickle] 1
#19312897 - 12/22/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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divergence
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Kickle]
#19312911 - 12/22/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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in pursuit of happiness total togetherness its such an elusive thing so we hope and sing mount everest climb it and never rest limbs get sour and even spine get test
always pursuit you can gain it some get a lot of the pot but dem still dont attain it captured and claim it name it and frame it the strongest will survive and maintain it visions with ambition and nuh ramp at all build a step with stumbling blocks and climb the wall you have been chosen now time to hear the call jah power sign and sealer question to answer and earthly tings laughter joy and sorrow is what life will bring calculate it and simplify give it more try one more
devoted to your dream reach out and grab it promoted by the clean real life habit you got to watch your back or frienemy will stab it take care of a your soul or babylon will rob it dem words nuh have no weight dem just pod it mind it suck upon your brain and mad it pressure nonstop dem multiply and add it the reason for it all we forgot it
there is so much to erase but there is a time and place i can see it on your face heartbroken human face nothing to replace all the moments gone to waste find an open space and leave your trace
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Kickle] 1
#19313139 - 12/22/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wisdom
I'm just guessing (when am I not), but I'd say that for the most part, wisdom is a way to see truth. Or a form of truth relative to the individual. It's nothing esoteric, it's just a way of perceiving the world.
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Kickle]
#19314632 - 12/23/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: while not mutually exclusive I think they can diverge at points. in those times of divergence, which do you choose to pursue?
i split open and melt
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19314785 - 12/23/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When do they diverge?
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Deviate]
#19314849 - 12/23/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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At the fork where knowledge meets remorse.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19314855 - 12/23/13 05:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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GB tells funny stories in his concerts.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Icelander]
#19314886 - 12/23/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The more pursue, the more you are wronged, though you should note is isnt your fault, but rather the assholes who brainwash hummanity.. kind of screwing around with your head, and misdefining logic.. keep pursuing I say.. even though I know you will never reach a ultimate truth.. it is still something each and everyone needs to and will expereance one time or an other..
If you want to be wise, you just have to philosopher alot and keep a very open mind... though you should note it will drive you mad, and you alone will need to be master of this madness as it not to master you. And even more important; why do you wish to become wise?
To become all knowing? -and what would this help you when you cannot speak a word to another human, being it they are so dumb you cannot really fanthom it.. all alone..
To help others? -then it is important to note you may be of more help not being all knowing.
To advance upon your path.. -now this is a tricky one... in a state of empathy, would you be able to leave everyone you know to their suffering, while you become peaceful.. could you become peaceful and loving, abliss knowing this? You be careful when chosing your balance.. for complete apathy brings only misery, yet taking the form of a true angel is even worse..
May this be of help to the one who needs it.
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Icyus]
#19314898 - 12/23/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who brainwashed the brainwashers? How did it begin?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Icelander]
#19314902 - 12/23/13 06:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did it begin? Does it end?
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Icelander]
#19314905 - 12/23/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Didn't you once say on these boards you grew up around Grand Rapids? I saw Greg Brown play at some lil' Christian college there in my teens many years ago, Calvin College. It was strangely progressive in my estimation of the Midwest, had Tracy Chapman playing the following week, and I got a tidbit of a socially conscious vibe from my very brief few hours at its auditorium. I drove there in this wicked torrential downpour and was deadlocked in thick, aggressive Michigan traffic on I-96 forcing me to go a good 85 mph. Of course I was stoned out of my gourd, which I know better than to do now, but alas... and I"m a total PNW driving Portlander ninny type, so I was gritting my teeth the whole way as my buddy slept through the whole thing to wake up in Grand Rapids calm and refreshed for the show .
But yah, GB is an amazing storyteller, has this very chill grandfatherly presence about him.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19314978 - 12/23/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: Didn't you once say on these boards you grew up around Grand Rapids? I saw Greg Brown play at some lil' Christian college there in my teens many years ago, Calvin College. It was strangely progressive in my estimation of the Midwest, had Tracy Chapman playing the following week, and I got a tidbit of a socially conscious vibe from my very brief few hours at its auditorium. I drove there in this wicked torrential downpour and was deadlocked in thick, aggressive Michigan traffic on I-96 forcing me to go a good 85 mph. Of course I was stoned out of my gourd, which I know better than to do now, but alas... and I"m a total PNW driving Portlander ninny type, so I was gritting my teeth the whole way as my buddy slept through the whole thing to wake up in Grand Rapids calm and refreshed for the show .
But yah, GB is an amazing storyteller, has this very chill grandfatherly presence about him.
My sister attended Calvin college but I saw GB out here in Southern Oregon. Should we ever meet up I'll provide the Kratom.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Icelander]
#19315042 - 12/23/13 07:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lady and her friend I knew from when I worked in Columbus, OH plan to make a trip to Sacramento sometime this Winter and we've been talking meeting up half way, will shoot you a if that pans out man.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19315083 - 12/23/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you are wise you would seek to be true to see where it would lead farest possible to yourself superiority truly
if you are originally true you would seek to be wise in the same mean
like in fact of existence, objective and right are the two things
objective is to true superiority existing fact right is to freedom ways, which is more superiority potentially
right is through individuality and objective is through reality with else existence
so what enjoy superiority would prefer to be more free and what enjoy to be within others would prefer to be more objective
enjoying is being positively free about, like in enjoying something one gives freely more without noticing, so stay longer positive for the efforts in staying being true by giving plus right for free
like we can picture how some enjoy making the others free, others enjoy making reality free
who enjoy making others free like being real more who enjoy making reality more present like being free more
but all that is not what matter really, it is simply the ways to stay in right existence realms of truth superiority so infinite rights existence conception, infinity rights are what exist really, that is how evil is never real.. evil cant exist but through negative force powers, through rights existence weakness abuses
it doesn't really matter also for what it not truly the fact of existence, which stay being free out of nothing seen or at the back of everything this is also why it is too hard to prove evil beings existence life
that is how actually what matter really is positive factor, the existence fact.. while to me positive is freedom, when for others positive is life which is also free
but why also, who appreciate life could mean their positive lives alone, and who appreciate freedom could mean possessing some creations of things alone .. so it is not a rule of truth that matter really
what matter is the positive end factor that any need and want of truth
positive is everything, it is the common factor of all and any reference in infinite existence rights conception
positive is freedom positive is constancy positive is life positive is reality positive is objective positive is present existence...
so positive is the value of all values base so positive is to truth value.. like what everyone wants to be through positive knowledge, while the fact that positive is true, only its fact existence is right the positive fact freedom
which prove the basic rule of truth, positive is always superior to nothing and to negative of course positive is to absolute superiority for sure, so positive is superior to superiority because it is an absolute value, the fact of staying matter the most
Edited by absols (12/23/13 09:59 AM)
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19315245 - 12/23/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Please do that.
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Deviate]
#19315576 - 12/23/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Deviate said: When do they diverge?
When the thinker of the two thoughts ascribes different meaning to them, I can't make them diverge due to my definition (or lack thereof) of the terms
What I think matters is that you don't let these concepts diverge from yourself, wisdom is your nature, truth is your nature, if you allow these concepts to diverge from yourself & become phenomenal then you can say wisdom is this, truth is that... but if you keep them in your heart, as your very self, you can not say what they are, you can only be that
I can see how some people might prefer seeking wisdom over truth, as it implies more of a state of being rather than attaining some thing called truth, or wisdom could be taken as seeing things as they are rather than seeking some hidden thing called truth, but really they are one
What I find amusing is wisdom is not knowing anything, it's not a state of knowing, its a state of unknowing, openness, boundlessness, if it was a state of knowing it would be closed, with boundary, and that could not truly be called wise in my opinion
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Chronic7]
#19315738 - 12/23/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah i think of wisdom and truth interchangeably too. i used to prefer the term wisdom, from more exposure to it, but i don't really have a preference now. if there is a divergence in the terms, i think for me it would be that truth signifies an end result whereas wisdom is both a process and an attitude that allows one to open to truth. but everyone likely has differences in their ideas of what the two words imply
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: deff]
#19315754 - 12/23/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think a mix between danceband music and dubstep would be nice..
People have different expereances and different opinions and meanings of everything.. people saying this however are insane.. though the people saying that usually havent a clue what the word even means... yet those who say such would already be mad.. I am mad.
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
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