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cannabinated



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Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS*
#19314315 - 12/23/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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About 50 days ago I inoculated 2 bags of grain spawn with a contaminated liquid cubensis culture.
The grain was covered in cobweb (and perhaps a fair bit of bacteria, due to terribly kept LC) though it still had a fair amount of healthy mycelium running through.
I threw the grain in the corner of my bedroom waiting to use it for an outdoor bed if it was to last through the winter.
Today, I returned to the contaminated grain and, to my amazement, found a strong and overly colonized brick of healthy spawn.
I broke some of the spawn bags apart and through the filter patch it emanated a very pleasant and healthy smell of mushroom, opposed to the strong bacterial odor it possessed several weeks ago.
Should I go ahead and use this spawn and will it be safe to use on pasteurized manure?
Ill be posting pics of the bags when my phone is charged.
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Edited by cannabinated (12/23/13 12:55 AM)
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: cannabinated]
#19314325 - 12/23/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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tough call. Does that form of contaminant form spores? If so, I would be worried about it (leftover spores) contaminating the spawn run.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19314335 - 12/23/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Give it ashot you already thought it was contammed and were gonna put it outside so if worse comes to worse and it does your back to plan b
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: cronicr]
#19314353 - 12/23/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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In the second pic you can see that nasty metabolite/bacterial froth if I were to use it, which I probably will, Ill give the spawn a good rinse before use.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: cannabinated]
#19314361 - 12/23/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do it to it man, what strain variety cube is that, cause if what your sayin is true it murked that damn contam and I wouldn't mind growin it myself.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19314426 - 12/23/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you are using it outdoors go for it and see want happens . Be careful and don't wear the same clothes when you come back in the house.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: Enigma1]
#19314480 - 12/23/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It wouldn't be the first time. Happen to me before.
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After a while the mycelium started winning and ate that bad stuff up. I spawned it separately and got some good shrooms from it. Be careful though, if that stuff doesn't smell right toss it.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: Us.Two]
#19314493 - 12/23/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Us.Two said: Do it to it man, what strain variety cube is that, cause if what your sayin is true it murked that damn contam and I wouldn't mind growin it myself.
The strain is 'corumba brazil' I don't really remember the story behind it but I'm pretty sure that the strain hasn't been around for more than a few years (you might want to ask Ryche Hawk or someone else about it). It would only make sense that this strain would be so hardy being so exposed to the elements compared to B+ which has had years of genetic training in sterile environments.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: cannabinated]
#19314603 - 12/23/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cannabinated said:
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Us.Two said: Do it to it man, what strain variety cube is that, cause if what your sayin is true it murked that damn contam and I wouldn't mind growin it myself.
The strain is 'corumba brazil' I don't really remember the story behind it but I'm pretty sure that the strain hasn't been around for more than a few years (you might want to ask Ryche Hawk or someone else about it). It would only make sense that this strain would be so hardy being so exposed to the elements compared to B+ which has had years of genetic training in sterile environments.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: cannabinated]
#19314607 - 12/23/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its starting to seem that christmas has come early this year
Edited by cannabinated (12/28/13 01:55 PM)
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: cannabinated]
#19314619 - 12/23/13 03:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didnt make myself clear. I'm no geneticist and am certainly not making any claims but it would just seem that an organism that has had more recent exposure to battling with other organisms in nature would be more contaminate resistant compared to one that has been selectively cultivated and genetically isolated to perform a certain way in sterile environments. When taking into consideration the incredibly short lifespan of a mushroom and how many life cycles they can go through in say 20 years there's no question that its genetics and capabilities are going to be changed. I'm not saying there aren't holes in my argument but I'd like to hear your reason why it makes no sense at all.
Edited by cannabinated (12/23/13 03:29 PM)
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: cannabinated]
#19314647 - 12/23/13 03:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Toss it.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: crackacola]
#19335458 - 12/28/13 03:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I let the bags go for a few more days and coincidentally they blew up like balloons. So yeah, definitely going straight to the compost pile. That is all.
Edited by cannabinated (12/28/13 03:27 AM)
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: cannabinated]
#19335504 - 12/28/13 03:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You g2g that jar and you're just gonna be wasting your time
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain [Re: Stromrider]
#19335602 - 12/28/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ive had this happen a couple times, i have 2 jars that out did some mold, was gonna bring them into some little bulk trays just to do some science. i know alot of people on the forums will flame that you should throw them as not to contaminate your house but ive never experienced this just be clean as you normally should and you will be fine.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19335700 - 12/28/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's disgustingly contaminated. Mushroom mycelium will not 'win' against bacteria and mold in a jar. In nature outdoors, it will find a niche in the available substrate and often recover. This is why we say to toss contaminated substrates outdoors into a flower bed or garden area.
Toss that mess out. It's also common for new growers to see green mold and then a few weeks later see mycelium crawling over the green mold. They think it's recovered, but it hasn't. It's the mold spores which have germinated and started to grow a second generation. RR
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19335722 - 12/28/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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As a long time shroomerite, I was going to post what RR said, in an RR tone. Glad he came in here though to add his words!
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19335726 - 12/28/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pitch 'em.
I just had a similar situation ramping up some G2G jars and I thought things looked fine. A couple other forum members thought the myc looked funky, but I let them go and spawned them out anyways. Ended up with a tub that colonized and never fruited because the contaminant ended up winning out in the end. While mycelium is strong, it is apparently not as contaminant-proof as I had hoped. It may win a single battle, but that doesn't mean the war is over. The contaminant is still in there, biding its time...
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: CliftonGK1]
#19337155 - 12/28/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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they were pitched directly after I made my last post.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19337180 - 12/28/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you guys think that the myc will survive the winter? My compost pile isn't very active. So it will probably get below freezing a few times during the coming months. The pile does consist of lots of dead grass, which would probably serve as nutrition.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19337184 - 12/28/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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just burry it and cover it with straw/foliage whatever you have handy to insulate it
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19337186 - 12/28/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP looks like it has vanilla ice cream in that "recovered" jar, sorry but that one is gone with bacteria
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: loki44]
#19337284 - 12/28/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, I was thinking leaves might work, but straw would be loads better. The worms seem to love straw anyway.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19337325 - 12/28/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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6 posts telling me to pitch it after my update saying that I'm pitching em... Y'all needa work on reading comprehension
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19337533 - 12/28/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you should pitch it
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19337781 - 12/28/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cannabinated said: 6 posts telling me to pitch it after my update saying that I'm pitching em... Y'all needa work on reading comprehension 
Well, when we say "pitch it" we mean it's dead and gone, but you keep bringing up how you want to save them through different means.
Just start from scratch, forget those existed, and move on. I'm sorry for your loss.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: Stromrider]
#19337915 - 12/28/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stromrider said: I think you should pitch it
STOP PUSHING MY BUTTONS BRO!!
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Well, when we say "pitch it" we mean it's dead and gone, but you keep bringing up how you want to save them through different means.
Just start from scratch, forget those existed, and move on. I'm sorry for your loss.
I had already threw it out before anyone replied. All I did was speculate to as it would do anything outside.
Edited by cannabinated (12/28/13 05:33 PM)
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19338475 - 12/28/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I once had a cake, I don't remember if it was flushed a few times or not, but I just buried it in the dirt. Nothing fancy, a part of the yard where the water seemed to drain too. I got 2 flushes out of it. Slugs love shrooms.
But my cake had zero contams, so I dunno. Regardless don't eat them.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: cannabinated]
#19338510 - 12/28/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cannabinated said: All I did was speculate to as it would do anything outside.
I have had bacterial infections go both ways outdoors. Some will fruit, others will not. I did not do much in the way of maintaining my "patches" either. In my situation, OD grows are a death sentence. Slugs LOVE mushrooms more than any of us.
The only benefit that my OD grows gave me was a few spore prints. My OD was decimated by slugs and gnats last summer. I wont eat anything that bugs have been eating on.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19338834 - 12/28/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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During times where it is favorable for cubensis to grow, the slugs are rampant. I cant step out at night without popping a couple on my bare feet
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19338842 - 12/28/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whippy said: I wont eat anything that bugs have been eating on.

Better give up all food.
To the OP, freezing won't necessarily kill the mycelium over winter. I've seen six inches of snow on cow fields in Texas which are productive every summer. RR
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19339030 - 12/28/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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Whippy said: I wont eat anything that bugs have been eating on.

Better give up all food.
Hahah, You read more into that statement than was intended...
"I won't eat any psychoactive mushroom that bugs have been eating on"
I am realistic that bugs permeate every part of our being, but if you saw what they did to my OD patch this summer, you would understand what I mean. (not what I say lol)....And if all your food looked like that, you would not eat it. Seeing gnats flying in and out of anything is a real turn-off, not to mention even thinking about future consumption....and by "in and out" I mean they burrowed into the stipe and ate from the inside...while the slugs ate from the outside.
They did more than nibble on a bit here and there. It was a daily loss. One day you have a pin, the next morning you have a blue stump.
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: HypnotoadCroaked]
#19339040 - 12/28/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: DannyDGAF]
#19339244 - 12/28/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wait, why are perfectly legit OD grows a death sentence? Did I just almost kill myself one time???
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19339471 - 12/28/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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Whippy said: I wont eat anything that bugs have been eating on.

Better give up all food.
To the OP, freezing won't necessarily kill the mycelium over winter. I've seen six inches of snow on cow fields in Texas which are productive every summer. RR
good to know!
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Re: Mycelium completely took over contamination on grain *PICS* [Re: Psilosopherr]
#19340074 - 12/29/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did you toss them yet?
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