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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: Deviate]
    #19312179 - 12/22/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Deviate said:
Yes I am incredibly miserable but my misery is in part due to the fact that I stopped suppressing my feelings, so all kinds of very painful feelings have been rushing into my consciousness lately and sometimes I just cry for hours on end. I had been suppressing my feelings for such a long time, my heart was completely closed, and having it open again has been excruciating, but I believe that I need to open my heart in order to heal. My mind is miserable but I feel a sensation of deep calm in the center of my chest that I have not felt since childhood. I hope its a sign that my healing work has not been in vain.




:bow2:

I can't express how much I appreciate your posts on this, Deviate; you're a great guy and I wish you the best.  A human life spent cultivating bhakti, cultivating one's heart, is a very good life in my book.  :nyan:



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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: Deviate]
    #19313849 - 12/22/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Deviate, as food for thought, I would mention that Patanjali envisaged a central place for bhakti in his system:  In his opening chapter extolling dispassion as a vehicle for stilling the mind, and elaborating rather fully on this concept, he indicates that bakti is an equally effective alternative.  Then, in the chapters outlining the eightfold path with which we are all familiar as an alternative vehicle, he sets up bhakti as a necessity for the method to be efficacious.

As additional food for thought, a few suggested tidbits of bhakti oriented reading, many or all of which you may may already be familiar with:

- Narada's Bhakti Sutras
- Vivekananda's Bhakti Yoga
- The Practice of the Presence of God
- The Cloud of Unknowing
- Interior Castle
- Dark Night of the Soul
- New Seeds of Contemplation (possibly also The Seven Storey Mountain)
- The Imitation of Christ
- The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna
- Into the Silent Land
- Open Mind, Open Heart
- Wisdom Distilled from the Daily
- The Essential Rumi (not a faithful translation but a wonderful book)

The Catholic contemplative tradition (ancient and living) is a very rich and rewarding source, with many methods and avenues for insight, and given your perspective I think you would enjoy it deeply.  With that in mind the book I would suggest starting with would be The Practice of the Presence of God, a simple but very powerful treatise by a humble man.

Apologies if these are sources you're already familiar with.

Best of luck to you Deviate.  For what it's worth (probably about as much as this post is costing you :smile:) I think you are very near the end of your journey.


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Come, come, whoever you are.
Wanderer, worshiper, lover of living, it doesn't matter
Ours is not a caravan of despair.
Come even if you have broken your vow a thousand times,
Come, yet again, come, come


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: Deviate]
    #19313872 - 12/22/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Bhakti makes me feel good.


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: Icelander]
    #19314429 - 12/23/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:

This is too logical a view for most and it's really not true that westerners have a problem bowing and scraping before some god master (christianity) political master (obummer) money master ( doctors and lawyers and indian chiefs) and all sorts of other nonsense.

Great response btw, I'm with you. :satansmoking:




I did, however, consider that perhaps I had it all wrong, so today I walked the streets pretending to :awetongue: the clit of Eris Discordia with total zeal.  The reactions were priceless, :whowouldsaysuchathing:.  Deviate may well be on to something :rofl:.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: Mahananda]
    #19314678 - 12/23/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mahananda said:
Deviate, as food for thought, I would mention that Patanjali envisaged a central place for bhakti in his system:  In his opening chapter extolling dispassion as a vehicle for stilling the mind, and elaborating rather fully on this concept, he indicates that bakti is an equally effective alternative.  Then, in the chapters outlining the eightfold path with which we are all familiar as an alternative vehicle, he sets up bhakti as a necessity for the method to be efficacious.

As additional food for thought, a few suggested tidbits of bhakti oriented reading, many or all of which you may may already be familiar with:

- Narada's Bhakti Sutras
- Vivekananda's Bhakti Yoga
- The Practice of the Presence of God
- The Cloud of Unknowing
- Interior Castle
- Dark Night of the Soul
- New Seeds of Contemplation (possibly also The Seven Storey Mountain)
- The Imitation of Christ
- The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna
- Into the Silent Land
- Open Mind, Open Heart
- Wisdom Distilled from the Daily
- The Essential Rumi (not a faithful translation but a wonderful book)

The Catholic contemplative tradition (ancient and living) is a very rich and rewarding source, with many methods and avenues for insight, and given your perspective I think you would enjoy it deeply.  With that in mind the book I would suggest starting with would be The Practice of the Presence of God, a simple but very powerful treatise by a humble man.

Apologies if these are sources you're already familiar with.

Best of luck to you Deviate.  For what it's worth (probably about as much as this post is costing you :smile:) I think you are very near the end of your journey.





Thanks, out of those I am familiar with the Imitation of Christ, the Interior Castle and the Cloud of unknowing. All wonderful books in my opinion. ALl the rest are new to me.


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: Deviate]
    #19331742 - 12/27/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the longing for happiness never fades, that is bhakti - Sri Ramana


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: Chronic7]
    #19331887 - 12/27/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The chase must be ended for one to find themselves. Alter the focus one might say...


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: Deviate]
    #19331973 - 12/27/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There's no replacement for enlightenment. If fact there really is no "thing" or "state" of enlightenment. It is a gradual awakening. A gentle process.


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it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."

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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19332034 - 12/27/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I did not find it gentle at all... quite torturous..


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: Icyus]
    #19332038 - 12/27/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what was your enlightenment experience?


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19332040 - 12/27/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How odd a question..


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: hmmn]
    #19332047 - 12/27/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Deviate said:
Yes I am incredibly miserable but my misery is in part due to the fact that I stopped suppressing my feelings, so all kinds of very painful feelings have been rushing into my consciousness lately and sometimes I just cry for hours on end. I had been suppressing my feelings for such a long time, my heart was completely closed, and having it open again has been excruciating, but I believe that I need to open my heart in order to heal. My mind is miserable but I feel a sensation of deep calm in the center of my chest that I have not felt since childhood. I hope its a sign that my healing work has not been in vain.







seems like an opening of the heart chakra :-)
and a mirror of my experience as usual

nature always helps, all problems vanish in nature
I cant always meditate due to pain in my body (got lots of health issues), but nature always helps

it is almost impossible to become unhappy if always doing ones best to help others


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Re: Bhakti as a replacement for enlightenment [Re: lessismore]
    #19332059 - 12/27/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That is true.. however i do nor really know how to asees my self to it, since the heartchakra is metaphoricly a coin.. we can call this the heart- then? (Also known as death chakra when fully opened) you have gotten a nice way along the path... when you have dealt with you pain, not by hiding it offcource.. you will have opened the heart+ chakra if one may invent such words...


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