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Points taken away
#19313651 - 12/22/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So two weeks ago I needed to hand in my final essay (online) for a class and it was stressing me out and I tend to be really open about some parts of my life with certain people (for some reason I trust a lot of my college professors) 
So I added some personal shit to the essay and handed it in. It got graded today at first I got some points for it and my teacher commented on the things I did right but then at the end noted that I should leave personal stuff out of my papers. Then later today after a few hours I get another notification that my essay grade was updated, to a zero, and the good comments were erased and it just said "don't do that." Well that's paraphrasing but basically all the good comments were taken out and it was just left with what I shouldn't do. So I go no credit in the end. Turning this in in the first place and getting something halfway decent done was stressing me out. But I finished it. To have it graded first for points and then have them ALL taken away, I dunno just seems like bullshit to me
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Re: Points taken away [Re: extreme]
#19313661 - 12/22/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wtf thats lame as shit
did you talk about drugs
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Re: Points taken away [Re: extreme]
#19313665 - 12/22/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's fucked up man. Prof sounds like a dick.
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Re: Points taken away [Re: Dark_Star]
#19313729 - 12/22/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It shouldn't be graded a zero unless there was some rubric you were supposed to follow and you blatently did not. Even horribly writen papers will earn SOME points. Is there someone you can make an appeal to? Can you talk to the prof and be all like "WTF, BITCH!?" in a reserved and respectfull manner of course.
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Re: Points taken away [Re: Dark_Star]
#19313737 - 12/22/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What was the personal stuff about? In general.
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Re: Points taken away [Re: extreme]
#19313753 - 12/22/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well your prof. was right that you shouldn't include personal stuff in a essay unless specifically told to. But still to get your grade changed to a 0 is fucked up.
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Re: Points taken away [Re: Soluminia]
#19313776 - 12/22/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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it does seem like a shitty thing to do - back tracking like that. On the other hand, it could be appropriate depending on what the specific assignment was and what course we are talking about.
Why so vague about the content and course, OP? What - you don't like talking about personal shit? Lol
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_2_0_1">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: SkeletalSpore]
#19313807 - 12/22/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LittleDipster said: wtf thats lame as shit
did you talk about drugs
Nah but I did in another assignment. I guess I'll tell that story as it relates a bit. I had a 24 question assignment to do and I answered 23 questions and there was one question left (an essay question) and after I did the first 23 I didn't feel like doing the last one right away so I just saved it for later. Well I fell asleep for a while and when I woke up my assignment had passed the due date. That kinda upset me so I sorta went off on a little personal rant in my assignment... I was like "the answer to this essay question can basically be found on page ___ of the textbook. But I'm upset now because I had this done on time but fucked up cuz I do that sometimes and blah blah commence rant." I talked about the diff drugs I've done (pretty alarming to most people I never thought it was a big deal but I guess it's nice having that reminder lol). Anywayyyyy, on that assignment I got full credit for the first 23 but I didn't get any points for the last question (answer on page ___ doesn't qualify haha) and then I just got docked a few points for it being late, which is expected, so no real harm done there.
I really don't think I had anything exceptionally more weird in this essay than I did in that assignment. And like I said part of my essay was LEGIT. Like if I would have just left that other stuff out entirely and just ended with a 3 page essay with a 5 page requirement then I just get a 60% or something. But by simply adding more to my essay (personal stuff) that gets me a ZERO..? And that's after already receiving credit for it and then having it TAKEN AWAY. Like why bother even reading it then 
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Dark_Star said: That's fucked up man. Prof sounds like a dick.
At times (s)he really could be. The last day of class I was like 5 min late and they snapped at me - in some ways I have higher expectations for someone who also practices clinical psychology and should be there to help people in any way possible. Just sets a bad example.
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FrozenHappiness said: It shouldn't be graded a zero unless there was some rubric you were supposed to follow and you blatently did not. Even horribly writen papers will earn SOME points. Is there someone you can make an appeal to? Can you talk to the prof and be all like "WTF, BITCH!?" in a reserved and respectfull manner of course.
I basically did everything right, I just had extra info included which I guess is a big no no. I'm not going to appeal it though just because I'm taking a little break from my education for now anyway and don't really care. But if I didn't have other priorities too at the moment and my grade was that important to me I'd be SUPER pissed. I just needed to pass the class really and I did by plenty so I'm not SUPER pissed, but I'd be lying if I said that didn't frustrate me a little. The part that really gets me though is that I got points for it at first...
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SkeletalSpore said: What was the personal stuff about? In general.

I dunno. Some of it was the stress of the paper. I took a break and was like "argh I hate finals week, so stressful, I hurt myself earlier today cuz I was stressed.." Then I went back and continued my paper normally. Yea I inflicted physical harm for probably the first real time on myself and getting this paper done was part of the reason I did that in the first place. I don't think anything should be left unsaid in anything. People shouldn't feel unable to express themselves under any circumstances IMO. Fuck proper etiquette and all this bullshit that we create. I've always had problems expressing myself. That's why I loved meth so much. Flips my manic switch and I'm completely uninhibited (but still in control). By being honest as fuck even if it comes off really strange I'd like people to know that actually happens and people are indeed strange and we should never get too comfortable with anything that's going on. By getting personal I'm adding an underlying element of honesty and what was going on inside my head during the process of my paper. Some side commentary. I thought maybe that would even seem sorta scientific, like "oh this is what's going inside the mind of a partial drug addict that's dominating my classwork but struggling in other areas of life." I really believed that. But nah it just fucks everything up instead.
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_3_0_2">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: koods]
#19313813 - 12/22/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Soluminia said: Well your prof. was right that you shouldn't include personal stuff in a essay unless specifically told to. But still to get your grade changed to a 0 is fucked up.
I agree but yea the fact it got changed is fucked up. That's what really gets me.
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koods said: it does seem like a shitty thing to do - back tracking like that. On the other hand, it could be appropriate depending on what the specific assignment was and what course we are talking about.
Why so vague about the content and course, OP? What - you don't like talking about personal shit? Lol
Just did
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_2_0_1">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: extreme]
#19313823 - 12/22/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you may have come off as threatening to your professor -- as in "I hurt myself today, and it's your fault"
I think he may have taken what you wrote personally. That certainly would explain his behavior.
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_2_0_1">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: koods]
#19313860 - 12/22/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I think you may have come off as threatening to your professor -- as in "I hurt myself today, and it's your fault"
I didn't even really think of that, but even if it sorta looked like that I don't think I said anything so directly like that. And I wasn't actually mad at my professor at all, I was just stressed because it was finals week (finals are finals and they suck, no matter what class or who you are or what you're studying). I mean there were other things bothering me too though at the time. I would never intentionally try to threaten anyone - even the guy who gave me the wrong information the other day at the store and had me wasting a lot of time (unrelated to school, related to stress) that shit really bothered me but someone was like "go bitch about him to his manager" and I thought about it and I couldn't do it. Dude pissed me off and wasted my time but I still don't want to bring him down - I just don't want any of his fucking up to come back and hurt ME. But even if it did (still waiting but some did already) I still would feel bad calling him out. I'm just not aggressive like that; I don't like drama and being mean to people etc.
Anyway you could be right though and that's some good insight into the possibilities of "why." I think she should email me though separately and say "this is why I gave you a zero, you hurt my feelings extreme because you made me feel like it was my fault you hurt yourself so I gave you a zero." But I never got anything like that yet.
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_2_0_1">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: koods]
#19313868 - 12/22/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I think he may have taken what you wrote personally. That certainly would explain his behavior.
Yea I was kinda thinking that too. I think for anyone to give out a score first and then take points away, something needs to hit them on a personal level to do that. Like that's extra work going into bringing me down. I've been trying to email them and at least say something nice to calm things down a bit but my email won't work
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Points taken away [Re: extreme]
#19313884 - 12/22/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I usually go a little nuts when writing essays I don't want to write and start typing about how much I hate the essay and my teacher and the class. Like "Fuck this shit I fucking hate you teacher i dont give a fuck and I want to kill small animals in your honor and rain them down upon you stuipid cunt" I never thought to leave it in though I probably should have considering I never gotta degree anyway. Would'a been worth it to make them uncomfortable.
I think its awesome you told your teacher you were cutting yourself in an essay. That shit is punk rock. You should keep sending her essays with vague references to self harm even though the class is over.
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moonrockmushy said: I usually go a little nuts when writing essays I don't want to write and start typing about how much I hate the essay and my teacher and the class. Like "Fuck this shit I fucking hate you teacher i dont give a fuck and I want to kill small animals in your honor and rain them down upon you stuipid cunt" I never thought to leave it in though I probably should have considering I never gotta degree anyway. Would'a been worth it to make them uncomfortable.
I think its awesome you told your teacher you were cutting yourself in an essay. That shit is punk rock. You should keep sending her essays with vague references to self harm even though the class is over.
I wouldn't have left it in if I had thought it was so directly negative towards my teacher. I meant no harm to them - only in regards to finals week and my own life (and myself apparently :P )
And I didn't cut myself, I put cigarettes out on my wrists instead. Similar but different. And I don't plan to hurt myself again anytime soon like I said that's not something I do (ever).
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_2_0_1">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: extreme]
#19313900 - 12/22/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There's no reason for her to make an unsolicited explanation. If she did read what you wrote as an attack or critique of her, she will assume that you knew what you were doing. It may not occur to her that you didn't realize she may read it that way - just as you didn't.
I would go to her and explain yourself.
This may get worse. If you were hurting yourself, she may have a professional responsibility to report this to administrators.
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#19313914 - 12/22/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wonder if "don't do that" refers to writing personal shit in essays, or putting cigarettes out on your wrists.
Just put yourself in her position. If somebody - especially, someone that you had some level of responsibility for - wrote what you apparently did, wouldn't you be somewhat freaked out?
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_2_0_1">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: koods]
#19313926 - 12/22/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Were talking about more than one professor? You are using too many personal pronouns.
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_2_0_1">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: koods]
#19313948 - 12/22/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: There's no reason for her to make an unsolicited explanation. If she did read what you wrote as an attack or critique of her, she will assume that you knew what you were doing. It may not occur to her that you didn't realize she may read it that way - just as you didn't.
I would go to her and explain yourself.
This may get worse. If you were hurting yourself, she may have a professional responsibility to report this to administrators.
That's good to note, although I think I said something like "trust me I'll be alright don't report me, this just sucks is all" (I hope so anyway!)
Thanks though because I don't need any trouble from this, I almost forgot talkiing about hurting yourself is a big deal to people. See what are big deals to some people just slip my mind. I thought the other day about how badly I really want to kill myself. My conclusion was "not even remotely close." And I even told this professor of mine I have suicidal thoughts, like after they read that first assignment I actually talked with them after class one day and they helped make a list for me of diff psych people that would help me. Then they made sure I made it down to the counselor to talk about shit. I don't know why I'd say any of that stuff though if I was really trying to seriously fuck myself up - I'd just go ahead and do it and not give anyone a chance to stop me then it's just a cry for help. And none of this is that. It is an honest attempt at adding some insight into my thought processing as I'm trying to stay focused on normal academic tasks (and similar tasks of that nature, just anything that I "need to do" really). Gonna email them when my email starts working so I don't wind up in some shit. I thought this was seriously tame compared to that first assignment though 
* the "don't do that" was in regards to personal shit in essays, not harming myself. But yea you're right but I've tried to already create the identity with them that I'm not really the typical student. And when I say they just fill it in as one person I'm just trying to hide their gender so they can be as anon as possible. Yea it's one person.
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_2_0_1">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: extreme]
#19313959 - 12/22/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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* Mostly unrelated - I regularly check the funnies thread every time it gets updated because it provides much of the comedy in my life I get many laughs out loud from that thread. Right now the last 10 posts in that thread have been students making funny jokes out of questions on tests and getting a zero. I thought it was funny that's what is being posted right now in there within the same hour that I made this thread.
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Re: <nobr><a href="#" class="FAtxtL" id="FALINK_2_0_1">Points</a></nobr> taken away [Re: extreme]
#19313976 - 12/22/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think I'm going to PM you. You are expressing a lot of shit that resonates with me and my life.
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