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seand04
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incubation chamber
#19313328 - 12/22/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have WBS quart jars in a 5 galon box with water in it and an aqarium heater set to 82 Is this a good set up ? It's been in for 3 days
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313350 - 12/22/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It will speed it up but is unnecessary IME if they colonize at room temp they will fruit at a lower temp too. Pinch pennys
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: dpomalia]
#19313364 - 12/22/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Should i put them in a cupboard Or leave them
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seand04
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313375 - 12/22/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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IME what's that
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seand04
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313387 - 12/22/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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In my experience I got it sorry
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313399 - 12/22/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you are referring to a Tek like this one,Frank's tub-in-tub incubator, then you are doing it correct, although 82 degrees seems a little high, 80'ish seems more the consensus.
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IME incubators are a waste of time. I started just putting my jars on a shelf in my closet witch stays around 74 degrees and they colonize in 7 to 10 days after G2G transfer.
remember the temp inside jars is about 5 degrees higher than the outside temp so at 82 you are way to high.
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313551 - 12/22/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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room temp works great for me it might not be as quick but patience is indeed a virtue
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: MudaFuka]
#19313569 - 12/22/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok I used a spore syringe not G2G does that make a diff
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313585 - 12/22/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was thinking of doing an experiment 1 jar on the shelf others in chamber any thoughts
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313615 - 12/22/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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next time you inoculate leave however many jars you choose on the shelf, i tried taking one of my jars away from the rest that were incubating with extra heat, and just use room temp on it, but i think the temp change shocked it or maybe somehow invited contams. I'd say keep doing what youre doing with what you got and maybe drop the temp a tid bit.
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313620 - 12/22/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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should contams be a problem with the water
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You have one or two tubs for your incubator?
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313694 - 12/22/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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standing water could very well possibly be unproductive.
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313706 - 12/22/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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seand04 said: Ok I used a spore syringe not G2G does that make a diff
it will take longer to colonize but as far as incubation temps it makes no difference how you inoculated your jars.
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: MudaFuka]
#19313778 - 12/22/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just one tub
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: seand04]
#19313790 - 12/22/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Id get another tub
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: cronicr]
#19315170 - 12/23/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ideally u want to have your jars finish as close to each other as possible so you can dunk and fruit in larger quantity of cakes one cake in the fc will not keep a micro climate like 5 or more will it won't have a huge effect but will be beneficial
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: dpomalia]
#19315186 - 12/23/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If u must though a big plastic tub. Water in that with aquarium heater and place a styrafoam container so its a slow temp change inside the styrafoam as to not stall of ur power goes out etc. And darkness in my opinion is better. Its not critical but pins form in light and u would be better off letting that happen in ur fc
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: dpomalia]
#19315255 - 12/23/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dpomalia said: And darkness in my opinion is better. Its not critical but pins form in light and u would be better off letting that happen in ur fc
Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.
Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.
Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years. Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Mushrooms don't use light for direction of growth. Mushrooms grown in total darkness will still grow straight up, opposite gravity.Mushrooms turn towards the light because they are using it as a source of energy. That's why mushrooms grown with the proper amount and spectrum of light grow much larger and heavier than mushrooms grown with insufficient light. It's also why light is just as important during the growth phase as it is during the pinning stage. RR
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: PussyFart]
#19315277 - 12/23/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldnt have my jars sitting in the water its asking for problems
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: cronicr]
#19315325 - 12/23/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well when its the only pinning factor in a jar its primary and u go on vacation or some shit I'd rather have deep colonization than pinning and like I said not a huge deal mushrooms actually grow faster in darkness and bigger in the cold in all my experiance yeah light is good obviously but I save energy I'm not rich I mean I grow instead of buy so therefore I try to pinch pennies If u got the money go ahead but there is not one thing on my setup automated besides a light on a timer for pinning specifically
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: dpomalia]
#19315370 - 12/23/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dpomalia said: Well when its the only pinning factor in a jar its primary and u go on vacation or some shit
What are you talking about?
Cakes/substrates that pin before full colonization usually indicate contams.
Cakes/substrates that pin after full colonization are ready to be fruited in most cases.
This is true whether in a jar or not.
Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
My jars colonize on a shelf 4-5 feet away from 2 bright ass bulbs getting direct/intense light and I have never seen a single one of my grains jars pin invitro.......ever.
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dpomalia said: mushrooms actually grow faster in darkness and bigger in the cold
Mycellium does grow more during the dark cycle than the light cycle, but it also derives energy from the light, so you need a balance.... like say 12/12.
And fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.
Moisture content and genetics are the main determining factors in fruit size.
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: PussyFart]
#19315443 - 12/23/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well u are maken damn good points I've never had an invetro just have read to prevent. And what I mean about goin on vacation is shit happens idk the difference between a consolidation week in light or dark but if it works in the dark and light in a closed jar is a pinning factoring as far as I know. That is considering there will be no evaporation or drop in co2 i did not know that until fae light isnt a pinning factor. I'd rather be safe than sorry though if ubwere gonna do the set and forget deal. I could be wrong I'm fairly new to this but that's what I've read. But talking to someone about genetics asking about an incubator is a bit advanced. Im really just tryin to help save money on unnessacary Have u done a side by side in light and darkness. Not trying to be condescending I'm just curious ur experiance. All ears
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: dpomalia]
#19315461 - 12/23/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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light is the least of his worries right now, he has jars in a tub with water and a heater op i suggest you look into either a tub in tub or just dich the whole idea and chuck them on a shelf and heat the room up, don't mind them bickering about light it has nuthing to do with your situation lol
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: dpomalia]
#19315469 - 12/23/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Me personally no, I have always colonized in light.....except for my very first grow, but I was unaware and didn't really keep track...
But people used to colonize strictly in darkness, not we colonize in ambient/indirect light....if for no other reason than so we do not have to go out of our way to keep them in complete darkness as the light can only help and not hurt.
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: PussyFart]
#19315488 - 12/23/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well I have my next experiment then my friend If only the shroomery had a whole page of way out dated information and why. If u've seen one let me know cause obviously there are still issues with my knowledge
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Re: incubation chamber [Re: dpomalia]
#19315518 - 12/23/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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 theres a sticky at the top called outdated info
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