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Invisiblelarry.fisherman
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Soluminia]
    #19312748 - 12/22/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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People die from weed. Just not from acute toxicity.




Name one.



Read my post.



Do you have any sources?



Read my post.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312754 - 12/22/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I did and your post means about the equivalent of nothing coming from you unless you back it up by a credible source.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Soluminia]
    #19312762 - 12/22/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I did and your post means about the equivalent of nothing coming from you unless you back it up by a credible source.



Sorry smeagol I didn't mean to insult your precious I'll go back to my hole.


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Invisiblelarry.fisherman
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312767 - 12/22/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

UNLESS I READ SOMETHING ON THE INTERNET IT'S NOT TRUE


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312770 - 12/22/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think Wiccans heart attack was safe because it was weed related.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312787 - 12/22/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I must have had over 100 trips and i've smoked a fuck load of weed. I'm telling you my opinion based on my first hand experience. I never stated any facts related to my seizure. It was always an opinion.







personal first hand experience tells me that all the "things" that happened to you, could be explained by panic attack induced by tripping the fuck out, while on Mushrooms & Weed. (not weed by itself)








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The seizure was a panic response, i don't think i would have had the same paranoid reaction if i wasn't so high. I used to smoke continuously because you don't realize how high you are and it feels good, but i pushed myself to a few scary reactions on it. I think the seizure was an extension of that.







not paranoid reaction, physiological. you were on drugs, causing a physiological change in your brain and a psychological change in your consciousness.

you weren't "having a paranoid crisis". did you feel paranoid? did you think your friends were going to hurt you or were talking about you behind your back or ANYTHING PARANOID? no? then it wasn't a paranoid reaction.

this is difference i am pointing out here. either your portrayal of the event isn't exactly accurate, or you're confusing paranoia with a inert physiological reaction to your mental state being so far gone.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312795 - 12/22/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i got high today and i have a heart condition plus, i take insulin for Diabetes plus i do Cocaine on the oft occasion, but i don't care... i also eat pretty irregularly and don't eat enough fruits and vegetables; i have sleep apnea, i also like to dance on the weekend; and jog to try and get healthy.

then i had a heart attack and you know what WEED DID IT!


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312800 - 12/22/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Do we have to keep going through this ?


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did you feel paranoid?





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I went to the toilet to take a piss and i got a pain in my chest, it was nothing unusual, but it happened a second time and my mind just flipped.




Yes i was paranoid about dying hence the extreme response.  Stop trying to tell me what i went through.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312813 - 12/22/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have had blood sugar/ blood pressure type problems which felt horrible which almost made me want to never smoke again but it stopped happening.  The only paranoia i have experienced was just very extreme confusion about what was going on


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Fuckspice]
    #19312829 - 12/22/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'm not trying to tell you what you went through, in fact, you can't even tell me what you went through, considering a: you whited out at one point and b: it was in the past and memory recollection tends to fade and during panic inducing events, causes lapses and distortions of said events.

i'm telling you something else though, that's very simple... you got a pain in your chest, NOT FROM PARANOIA, but from an induced physiological response perhaps exacerbated by being on psychedelic drugs.

the paranoia that might have followed afterwards, but you can't tell me or anyone else, because as you say "your mind just flipped".

are you trying to tell me that you thought you were dying before you thought you were dying? :shrug: that doesn't make sense.

more likely you had a panic induced seizure, than a "paranoid heart attack" (which don't exist, unless you're paranoid already... but again, NOT BECAUSE OF THE WEED, in that case, because you'd already have to be paranoid without it, to be paranoid about a paranoid induced heart attack; considering they don't exist)

it's words, and it sucks, but i don't know if you can tell me how it all worked anyways. :shrug:
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I have had blood sugar/ blood pressure type problems which felt horrible which almost made me want to never smoke again but it stopped happening.  The only paranoia i have experienced was just very extreme confusion about what was going on



confusion is a side effect of low blood sugar, and a low blood pressure would indicate that.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312865 - 12/22/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I told you everything i remember, i don't know what you want from me.
The pain was a muscle twinge, clearly it came before the paranoia. It was a trigger.


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I went to the toilet to take a piss and i got a pain in my chest, it was nothing unusual, but it happened a second time and my mind just flipped.





You should really listen to yourself. Ridiculous post after ridiculous post.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312867 - 12/22/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

STOP BURNING PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kingcrankey::kingcrankey::kingcrankey:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: seadragon]
    #19312871 - 12/22/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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STOP BURNING PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kingcrankey::kingcrankey::kingcrankey:



Weed=murder


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
    #19312898 - 12/22/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Weed isn't a problem when it's used in moderation and doesn't consume your priorities. When you abuse weed it abuses you ten-fold. You lose any motivation, you lose clarity of thought, and you become dependent, unable to survive without it. I know some people who can't EAT, they can't fucking eat food, without smoking weed first. That's a problem. Ime if weed is treated with respect, like any other drug, it will have mostly positive effects, on your outlook on life, etc. It's also a nice way to just relax. But if you smoke every day, and are high more than you are sober, chances are you have a problem. That's the thing with weed. It is so easy to acquire, and it's effects so subtle (ESPECIALLY the negative ones) that you don't even notice as you lose hold of yourself.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312922 - 12/22/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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STOP BURNING PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kingcrankey::kingcrankey::kingcrankey:



Weed=murder




some ppl just  want to see the  weed burn :sonofawebitch:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312933 - 12/22/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Torkie said:
I told you everything i remember, i don't know what you want from me.
The pain was a muscle twinge, clearly it came before the paranoia. It was a trigger.


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I went to the toilet to take a piss and i got a pain in my chest, it was nothing unusual, but it happened a second time and my mind just flipped.





You should really listen to yourself. Ridiculous post after ridiculous post.



i don't want anything from you, but for you stop talking maybe. like i said... it wasn't a "paranoia" that induced your condition, but physiological response to being on drugs. it's that simple. paranoia does not cause symptoms like you describe, unless you doing jumping jacks and hyperventilating at the same time, maybe then in your "paranoid state" you can induce a heart attack by thinking you need to do the jumping jacks because if you don't your mother will get killed or something like that... and you GIVE YOURSELF a heart attack.

otherwise, there is no real way for a bout of paranoia to "trigger" a seizure or heart attack, or anything.

what is so hard to understand about that? you said it was paranoia that lead to you "flipping out" but it wasn't, it was the potential for a heart attack and the physiological response to that, that made you "flip out".

paranoia DOES NOT induce physiological symptoms by itself; do i have to say it again, to be clearer? Paranoia DOES NOT induce ANY physiological symptoms IN AND OF ITSELF.

Paranoia is a "mental disease", NOT a physical one; ALTHOUGH, paranoia CAN BE TRIGGERED by another underlying PHYSICAL disease or syndrome.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312961 - 12/22/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I called it a paranoid reaction. It was absolutely a paranoid reaction. I wasn't dying was i ?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: stellarshnap]
    #19312975 - 12/22/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well said.


I've been at the point where I can't eat unless I get high first for a few months now; I still love it though and find no problem if used in moderation. Probably not good for people with addictive personalities though.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312981 - 12/22/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Paranoia can lead to panic attacks/anxiety. Those do have physiological effects.

Sorry to tell you dude but your thought process isn't fully developed.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312996 - 12/22/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well if your heart suddenly went into palpitations, i'd say you could very well die. so yes, you could have been dying. was the heart palpitations real? maybe, maybe not. maybe it was a reaction to yourself being inert and on drugs and possibly with an underlying medical condition cropping up.

you can't really know without a check up and it's safe to assume that the paranoia didn't come first BEFORE you felt that you had the heart palpitations, only after; meaning the heart palpitations weren't induced by any paranoia; the paranoia was induced by the heart palpitation.

which would have been induced by a physiological response to possibly many different things in tangent with one another, leading to the palpitations then leading to the paranoia.


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