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Chronic7
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Roger Wilco]
#19344754 - 12/30/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can't define the unknown as by its nature it is the unknown, it is indefinability itself, yet i know i am that Due to it being the unknown, indefinable, it is boundless, limitless, infinite
I don't know anyone that refers to themselves that way, likely because I don't know what you are talking about.
It would be helpful to understand your ideas if you used words you could in fact define. The word unknown does have a definition. It is an adjective, not a noun. "The unknown" you present seems as if it is an actual thing, not an attribute to an actual thing. Because of your apparent usage of unknown as a noun, e.g "the unknown" I'm left to guess by myself what you are referring to.
Here is an example of how when used as an adjective, "unknown" can easily take definite meaning.
IE. "It was a red ford truck that caused the hit and run, but the licence plate number is unknown."
In my example the usage of the word unknown is definite, concrete and is self evident.
Your usage of "the unknown" is very abstract. I do not grasp what it is, or what it has to do with identity, or life at all.
It appears that "unknown and "the unknown" have very different meanings, and I do not grasp what you mean by "the unknown".
All i mean by 'the unknown' is that ultimately ourself, awareness, consciousness, or whatever that core of perception is within all of us, by its nature is not a tangible objective entity, therefore unknown, a living mystery
By investigating ones self, living in a state of unknowing/mystery, surrendering to the unknown, one can grasp the meaning of it, if one can even possibly do that
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The Chronic said: I find these are the ramifications, there is no dealing with it as you are it, there is no duality
Do you think people either see themselves as "unknown" or "known"?? I perceive this as a false duality/dichotomy if that that you are supposing
Most people think they are the known, their body, their thoughts, their likes/dislikes, their genes, etc... they believe these things comprise what they call a self, which seems useful in their daily lives, but after investigating myself i don't feel any of this can ultimately be a definition of the self, they are aspects/fragments of self expression for sure, but not the whole picture, the self/consciousness includes bodies, thoughts, etc... but is ultimately not shaped or defined by them
I see no reason to investigate such things unless a person is naturally inclined to do so, i felt inclined to investigate it because all those thoughts/feelings/likes/dislikes etc that we use to shape/define ourself in my case developed into a kind of claustrophobia that i needed to break free from, i found seeing oneself as 'the unknown' can help to undo those knots, if one is interested in such things
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: Kickle]
#19375357 - 01/06/14 12:00 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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I've always flashed on this page from BE HERE NOW when a question like yours came up. A philosopher is a 'lover of wisdom,' but the closest term I have come to 'love of truth' or 'love of beauty' is the Eastern Orthodox Christian writings called The Philokalia, which translates into both of those loves. The Philokalia, for those unfamiliar, are a collection of contemplative practices that still exist on the independent Greek island state of Mount Athos. Truth and Beauty are therefore, interchangeable in the title of the writings, and like the BE HERE NOW page, seem to point to a singular Reality. I have referred to myself as a philosopher at times, but never to a Hesychast, which is the eastern Orthodox Christian who dedicates his life to the practices of The Philokalia. A woman has not set foot on Athos for over 1000 years, and even though J.D. Salinger wrote about the appropriation of one of their practices, the 'Jesus Prayer' or 'Prayer of the Heart' in his novel Franny and Zooey by a young woman, women do not seem to be considered spiritually fit for the practice according to the Hesychasts. I long ago rejected monasticism as my path, but monasticism with misogyny Really turns me off.
Consciousness equals ENERGY= LOVE= AWARENESS= LIGHT= WISDOM= BEAUTY= TRUTH= PURITY. It's all the same trip. Its all the same. Any trip you want to take, leads to the same place.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#19375861 - 01/06/14 05:18 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19375918 - 01/06/14 05:46 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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you see everything as the same because you mean your trip .. and don't care about anything and existence facts
consciousness is definitely never an energy ... only being real is free energy from else beings
being conscious is zero energy for sure always, that is why it doesn't affect things and matters of life
also awareness is never conscious, conscious is to all realization where awareness is just nothing freedom so a free sense out of being, like for animals who are totally possessed as a thing being ..
light is about being fast move .. which is also totally else being speedy is from being superior so starting by all ends so the line is straight absolutely right
all your other words are subjective .. they mean inferiority to me
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: absols]
#19375930 - 01/06/14 05:57 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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First, these aren't my words, they are from the book Be Here Now by Ram Dass, which I happen to have on hand as an ebook. It took me all of 20 seconds to upload and assist MarkostheGnostic's post, as perhaps someone who has never seen the book might find it interesting.
I made no claims on Reality whatsoever.
Secondly, everything you've said is utterly incoherent. Get help for that.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19375965 - 01/06/14 06:24 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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of course when you mean to use some words that point everything existence for nothing, inherently you cant understand what any other do..it must be far beyond you .. that is how you enjoy confusing everything as nothing to say
I don't need help to sound coherent for you.. It is clear to me and that what matters ..
what prevail between one and everyone according to you ?? or your readings?? one of course right ?? so one by being alone is far more objective then if he convince everyone .. then convincing you cant be in any schedule of any being..
and last, brain damaged yourself freakcos mic joker !
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: absols]
#19375973 - 01/06/14 06:29 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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I gave at the office.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19375992 - 01/06/14 06:38 AM (10 years, 25 days ago) |
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Re: the pursuit of truth or the pursuit of wisdom? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19394977 - 01/09/14 05:58 PM (10 years, 21 days ago) |
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That's the one!
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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