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OfflineNogamenolife
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Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order?
    #19312527 - 12/22/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm definitely going to do all of those (for the first time) in January. I hear people say smoked DMT is weak/not as fulfilling compared to ayahuasca. Should I go weak-to-strong or strong-to-weak? I think there is something to be learned from smoked DMT, ayahuasca, lsd, magic mushrooms, and iboga. I want to learn from these drugs in proper order, IF THERE IS a proper order. How should I go about it?

P. S., Am I missing a "teacher drug"? I want to try them all!


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: Nogamenolife]
    #19312568 - 12/22/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Mescaline

These drugs do not 'teach' you anything that's just junkie talk. They can provide incite to something you dismissed/overlook and help with certain problems by helping you see the error of your previous thinking but this is simply the 'high'. There isn't anything you can 'learn' high that you can't learn sober.

I'd say pace yourself and don't over do it.


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: Nogamenolife]
    #19312589 - 12/22/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly try one and really get into it.  There is no need to "rush" you've got your whole life man.  Don't fall into the rookie mistake of tripping all the time.  Whatever you do make sure your giving at least 2 weeks or so between trips to eliminate cross tolerance, and more importantly so you can really integrate your experience back into your everyday life.  So many people get so caught up in the experience that they forget to bring something back. 
Re-integration is the difference between a space case and someone who happens to take psyches.  Not all of the stuff you learn out there can translate well into our 3rd dimension, sometimes its best to leave it out there.


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19312618 - 12/22/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You will never get through all those first timers in one month.

You're getting ahead of yourself. Try mushies a few times, then guage your next experience on the intensity of the trips in question. For that, do your own research. Us telling you in a forum topic, you won't learn anything about any of it. Erowid Experience Vault is always a good place to start, and don't just read the good ones.


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: Nogamenolife]
    #19312632 - 12/22/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, bro, I would be careful with Ayahuasca.
It is an extremely... religious drug, in my opinion, and personally, I would only do it with the blessings and guidance of a... teacher/shaman/spiritual leader, etc.
I'd rather partake of something like that in the old way, you know? With protection, rites of passage, etc.
You don't have to agree, but, I thought you'd like to hear me out.
No two psychedelics are the same.


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19312637 - 12/22/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the answers so far.

I'm mainly trying to organize this so that one experience isn't more confusing than the prior experience. I want the foggy beginning to lead up to well-rounded, clear-sighted end.

@modern.shaman,

I agree, I don't think the drugs actually have knowledge from supernatural sources, or the ability to teach you anything, I just meant...mind-opening drugs, things that make you analyze your thoughts and patterns.


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: 999]
    #19312719 - 12/22/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

999 said:
Hey, bro, I would be careful with Ayahuasca.
It is an extremely... religious drug, in my opinion, and personally, I would only do it with the blessings and guidance of a... teacher/shaman/spiritual leader, etc.
I'd rather partake of something like that in the old way, you know? With protection, rites of passage, etc.
You don't have to agree, but, I thought you'd like to hear me out.
No two psychedelics are the same.




I actually agree with this. Some would not, but aya is intense in ways I haven't experienced with other psyches and pretty much useless in low/moderate doses IMO but too dangerous in high doses to do alone. Just my personal experience though


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19312727 - 12/22/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Aya is a beast of it's own. If I can describe the difference, LSD and shrooms, that sort of stuff plays with the world around you. Aya sinks you in to your own mind, then sucks your fucking soul out and casts it among the cosmos.


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312732 - 12/22/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Also, I missed part of the OP.

If there is one teacher drug, it's LSA. I found I didn't really visually trip, but the beautiful part was the way it connected me to myself. It was like I was in love with everything. Completely open and free, aware. I realized things I already knew and that moment was beautiful.


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312760 - 12/22/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes it is true.. The trips will not help you in any way unless you take time afterwards to think them through and incorporate them into you..

using psycadellica just to get as lost as possible or high as possible or even just to expereance them all... or just to get tripped, if one may say that, tripping as often as possible without meditatingnupon the expereances is abuse. And such abuse will bring its own karma.. a punishment alot greater than most people could conscieve of...


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Re: Smoked DMT + Ayahuasca Tea + LSD + Magic Mushrooms + Iboga In What Order? [Re: Icyus]
    #19313149 - 12/22/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

From reading smoked DMT is a skill. Hot enough to vaporize yet cool enough not to burn it.

Running off with a set deadline and order is probably not a good idea. I dont go into spiritual or metaphysical ideas but psychedelics can chew you up and spit you out.  Ive only dabbled with lsd and shroom but none of them are amusement rides.

if you want to jump in head first research and smoke DMT. From reading around if you get it right you're no longer here. If you want to see behind the curtain take 2-3 grams shroom.


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