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Offlineunderfliptown
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Weed isn't a big deal
    #19312047 - 12/22/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wtf is with all these threads about "doing" weed. It's fucking weed! Will weed affect an lsd trip? I dunno, but its unlikely that for any 12 hour stretch of time i am gonna not smoke weed. Smoke weed with the flu? Of course!

The way I see it, weed is just another part of my daliy routine, its crazy a lot of ppl actually think its something to consider. Just smoke some weed, chill out, and the rest will figure itself out. Ppl who get uptight about weed clearly aren't smoking enough.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown] * 4
    #19312053 - 12/22/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312059 - 12/22/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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underfliptown said:
Wtf is with all these threads about "doing" weed. It's fucking weed! Will weed affect an lsd trip? I dunno, but its unlikely that for any 12 hour stretch of time i am gonna not smoke weed. Smoke weed with the flu? Of course!

The way I see it, weed is just another part of my daliy routine, its crazy a lot of ppl actually think its something to consider. Just smoke some weed, chill out, and the rest will figure itself out. Ppl who get uptight about weed clearly aren't smoking enough.



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Synthe]
    #19312061 - 12/22/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tl;dr




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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312071 - 12/22/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like getting high on marijuana, feels good.
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Soluminia]
    #19312075 - 12/22/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Those posts were legitimate questions.

I tend to just not give a shit what people think about it. If it's just weed, then it shouldn't irk you if someone feels negatively about it.

I can say this, the people who think it's A - normal to smoke all the time, and B -  think weed is a necessity, really have fell in to it's hole.

Weed is one of the few drugs that convince people it's ok to smoke it.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph] * 1
    #19312076 - 12/22/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312077 - 12/22/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i prefer to smoke weed when im doing marijuana too


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312080 - 12/22/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
Those posts were legitimate questions.

I tend to just not give a shit what people think about it. If it's just weed, then it shouldn't irk you if someone feels negatively about it.

I can say this, the people who think it's A - normal to smoke all the time, and B -  think weed is a necessity, really have fell in to it's hole.

Weed is one of the few drugs that convince people it's ok to smoke it.




Why isn't it ok to smoke it?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: DpRwav]
    #19312087 - 12/22/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ac1dHeaD said:
yeah i prefer to smoke weed when im doing marijuana too




Throw some pot in there too and you're talking business.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312088 - 12/22/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I smoke weed and take dabs multiple times a day and just go about my day.  I don't really make it anything special but for me weed is very psychedelic but isn't necessarily acid psychedelic.  I just toke and enjoy the world, everything looks much more beautiful and if i smoke enough potent weed, even with tolerance, i actually "trip" 

Marijuana is a way of life:blazed:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Fuckspice]
    #19312093 - 12/22/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I try and smoke weed as much as I can. It keeps me level, and keeps me away from other drugs.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Fuckspice]
    #19312095 - 12/22/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312111 - 12/22/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)


Quote:

XLCaps said:
If it's just weed, then it shouldn't irk you if someone feels negatively about it.





pretty much. the reason why you are even ranting about it is obviously you have strong enough feelings to. which means that weed is POSITIVE enough to engender strong feelings. If it's that strong, then it has the potential to obv change a trip or a day or a lifestyle or a fucking person's direction. so fuck you.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: showme]
    #19312115 - 12/22/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How old is that post?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312116 - 12/22/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown] * 2
    #19312123 - 12/22/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed. If i eat too much it feels like my heart is going to explode. I'm healing chronic fatigue atm, weed turns me into a emotionless psycho.

It ain't good for everyone. Naive thread. I used pretty much everyday for 17 years.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: watermelon mon]
    #19312131 - 12/22/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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watermelon mon said:




i love homeless stoners.  I gave a homeless dude a joint once and ended up befriending him and realized the reason he is homeless is since he doesn't want to conform and all this anti government shit.

I have had moments where i smoked way too much weed and my blood pressure got way to low and i thought for sure i was having a stroke or something lol, but that was when i had very little tolerance after probation


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy] * 1
    #19312133 - 12/22/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you OP, but it's still a drug and comes with negative effects (even if they are mild) that people should be aware of


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: showme]
    #19312134 - 12/22/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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showme said:

Quote:

XLCaps said:
If it's just weed, then it shouldn't irk you if someone feels negatively about it.





pretty much. the reason why you are even ranting about it is obviously you have strong enough feelings to. which means that weed is POSITIVE enough to engender strong feelings. If it's that strong, then it has the potential to obv change a trip or a day or a lifestyle or a fucking person's direction. so fuck you.



People think heroin gives them positive feels too.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312137 - 12/22/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why are the shrooms or your history of other drugs not taking the blame for the seizure, emotionlessness and other side effects but somehow weed it?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312155 - 12/22/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Weed is a wonderdrug, but with any drug there are people who don't enjoy it overdo it or whatever.  Same goes with psychedelics, you an say everything amazing about it and life changing but it still won't change peoples minds.  It depends on the user


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312157 - 12/22/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hey XLcaps, i don't think you understood that I was agreeing with you and talking to OP. also comparing heroin with weed is a bad argument every time lol.

and can I just end this thread please? weed affects everyone differently based on personality and the entire person and obviously weed can be very powerful because it's MIND ALTERING, BITCHES

let's end it.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: showme]
    #19312161 - 12/22/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know what you were getting at but it's still valid no matter the "intensity" of the substance, and people really tend to forget that when it comes to their precious weed.

This is coming from a smoker of over 10 years.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312229 - 12/22/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Murph said:
Why are the shrooms or your history of other drugs not taking the blame for the seizure, emotionlessness and other side effects but somehow weed it?





Because i'm only emotionless when i'm using weed. I bounce back to normal when i stop. I feel like i lack humanity when i'm constantly high. I've been off weed for a couple of weeks. This is related to chronic fatigue, i haven't always been like this.

The seizure was a panic response, i don't think i would have had the same paranoid reaction if i wasn't so high. I used to smoke continuously because you don't realize how high you are and it feels good, but i pushed myself to a few scary reactions on it. I think the seizure was an extension of that.
I call it a seizure, i dropped to the floor because i knew i was going to pass out and i woke up horribly contorted, then i passed out a second time before it was all over. It sucked,, :lol: .

Fast heart beat is a well known side effect from weed. It's dangerous if you have a heart condition. Ask Wiccan_Seeker, he says it was behind his heart attack.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312240 - 12/22/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you fainted.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312285 - 12/22/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I went to the toilet to take a piss and i got a pain in my chest, it was nothing unusual, but it happened a second time and my mind just flipped. I got a white fog over my vision and i knew i was going to pass out so i dropped to my knees. I thought about calling for help but i just sucked it up and disappeared into the white.

Next thing i see the ceiling light coming into focus then i notice how contorted i was. I was on my knees with my head on the floor looking up at the ceiling.

Then the white came over me again and i woke up a second time covered in sweat. I had that horrible feeling like i was never going to be right again but i dragged myself on to my bed and felt relief instantly. It was a bit like after a purge.

Definitely not just a faint.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312307 - 12/22/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok so let me get this straight you're high on shrooms then smoked some weed and ended up fainting in your bathroom. Next time maybe don't do that.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312336 - 12/22/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know a few people who have gotten seizures from cannabis ONLY.

I've also known a couple of had heart attacks.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Fuckspice]
    #19312344 - 12/22/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Fuckspice said:
Quote:

watermelon mon said:




I have had moments where i smoked way too much weed and my blood pressure got way to low and i thought for sure i was having a stroke or something lol, but that was when i had very little tolerance after probation



Sometimes when I'm high my heart has some weird palpitations. Also this thread is pretty ridiculous. As far as safely abusing drugs, marijuana is about as safe as it gets, but you shouldn't consider weed to be harmless. Just because smoking all day everyday doesn't kill you, doesn't mean it's good to do so


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312353 - 12/22/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

High on toilet said:
I think he knows what happened to him better than some pissed off weed junky.




U MAD? :bobmarley:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312361 - 12/22/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think he knows what happened to him better than some pissed off weed junky.




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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312393 - 12/22/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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High on toilet said:
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showme said:
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High on toilet said:
I think he knows what happened to him better than some pissed off weed junky.




hee hee :high five::crazy2:



:bobbyhill:





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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: dontknow]
    #19312442 - 12/22/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Fuckspice said:
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watermelon mon said:




I have had moments where i smoked way too much weed and my blood pressure got way to low and i thought for sure i was having a stroke or something lol, but that was when i had very little tolerance after probation



Sometimes when I'm high my heart has some weird palpitations. Also this thread is pretty ridiculous. As far as safely abusing drugs, marijuana is about as safe as it gets, but you shouldn't consider weed to be harmless. Just because smoking all day everyday doesn't kill you, doesn't mean it's good to do so





Well said.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312447 - 12/22/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're lucky you survived, being the first person to die from weed would have been a real bummer.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312458 - 12/22/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

People die from weed. Just not from acute toxicity.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312479 - 12/22/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Uh oh he didnt go there lol. How bout this. I went from a weed smokin fool everyday for like 4 years to getting pabic attacks if I smoke enough.  Goes to show its all about where youre at in life


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312482 - 12/22/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My dad was friends with a guy who always said he was super sensitive to weed and he thought he was allergic.

Smoked one at a party. Had a heart attack. Currently dead as fuck.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: berdinwall]
    #19312488 - 12/22/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, it's a great drug, but not for everybody. Me, I've been toking since Reagan was pres, and have no plans to stop anytime soon. :gethigh:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312537 - 12/22/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah well my friend's dad's uncle in law smoked a joint and uhhhh like totally caught rubella and speaks with a serious lisp now..... still loves weed he just cant pronounce things so good.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312546 - 12/22/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

weed makes me trip


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312547 - 12/22/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Murph said:
Quote:

ac1dHeaD said:
yeah i prefer to smoke weed when im doing marijuana too




Throw some pot in there too and you're talking business.



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312559 - 12/22/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah well my friend's dad's uncle in law smoked a joint and uhhhh like totally caught rubella and speaks with a serious lisp now..... still loves weed he just cant pronounce things so good.




Does he sound like Mike Tyson?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312583 - 12/22/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Torkie said:
I had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed. If i eat too much it feels like my heart is going to explode. I'm healing chronic fatigue atm, weed turns me into a emotionless psycho.

It ain't good for everyone. Naive thread. I used pretty much everyday for 17 years.



Naive thread? seems more like a naive post, by yourself.

you had a seizure because you smoked too much weed? why isn't anyone else having seizures...? why does Mushrooms exacerbate "symptoms of seizure" from weed; but not indicate any symptoms themselves of causing seizures? why only on Mushrooms does weed give you seizures?

it's more likely then anything that you got high, experienced a rush of serotonin or dopamine, (possibly from smoking the weed) and you "Thought" it was a seizure. or maybe you're already prone to seizures; maybe you should go see your doctor? you should if you're having seizures; tell him about your theory... he'll/she'll tell you about the fact of Cannabis increasing the seizure threshold in patients and it's why doctors sometimes prescribe weed as medication to people that suffer from convulsions.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312609 - 12/22/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

weed can increase blood pressure which is no good for people a heart condition... also sitting upright really fast could kill said person too. WARNING WARNING DON'T SIT UP TOO FAST YOU MIGHT DIE

should be on every seat in every home, goddamn it.


PS: the compounds in the Cannabis plant, does NOT CAUSE SEIZURES; the potential compounds that can be picked up from the plant from the soil or area in was grown in, CAN however.

don't buy pot from a shoddy/uninformed source, and you're good to go. again not a direct action of the plant; just medical contradictions and just plain dangerous growing methodology.

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My dad was friends with a guy who always said he was super sensitive to weed and he thought he was allergic.

Smoked one at a party. Had a heart attack. Currently dead as fuck.



panic attack meets heart valve dis-regulation.

if he thought he was allergic, and was super sensitive to it, probably shouldn't have continued smoking it... oh the 70's.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312612 - 12/22/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Torkie said:
I had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed. If i eat too much it feels like my heart is going to explode. I'm healing chronic fatigue atm, weed turns me into a emotionless psycho.

It ain't good for everyone. Naive thread. I used pretty much everyday for 17 years.



Naive thread? seems more like a naive post, by yourself.

you had a seizure because you smoked too much weed? why isn't anyone else having seizures...?





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I know a few people who have gotten seizures from cannabis ONLY.

I've also known a couple of had heart attacks.








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it's more likely then anything that you got high, experienced a rush of serotonin or dopamine, (possibly from smoking the weed) and you "Thought" it was a seizure. or maybe you're already prone to seizures; maybe you should go see your doctor? you should if you're having seizures; tell him about your theory... he'll/she'll tell you about the fact of Cannabis increasing the seizure threshold in patients and it's why doctors sometimes prescribe weed as medication to people that suffer from convulsions.




Read my post, it was pretty descriptive. I said "i call it a seizure". Obviously it's not just a rush, i was unconscious and i woke up rigid and contorted. It's the only time i've had a seizure. This was years ago, i haven't dosed in a couple of years.

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    #19312614 - 12/22/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To you weed isn't a big deal. For 4 years in which I smoked every day, weed wasn't a big deal. Since I've slowed my usage greatly while keeping up with psychedelics though, weed has taken a completely new form.. I learned weed has plasticity and can do many different things to you. I've had to give bud a 2 week break after it launched me back into the middle of a LSD trip I was on the day before. I can no longer smoke and study, smoke and socialize, smoke and then drink. So many things.. So I'm wary, as should everybody else who doesn't smoke daily anymore.

I don't care if people smoke daily, but it's just not for me anymore. I know this quote is usually attributed to harder psychedelics than weed but I think the quote "When you get the message, hang up the phone" is appropriate with bud. There's no point of me being high everyday anymore and so I smoke a couple times a week.. Don't try to make your subjective opinions applicable to everybody here


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312622 - 12/22/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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Torkie said:
I had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed. If i eat too much it feels like my heart is going to explode. I'm healing chronic fatigue atm, weed turns me into a emotionless psycho.

It ain't good for everyone. Naive thread. I used pretty much everyday for 17 years.



Naive thread? seems more like a naive post, by yourself.

you had a seizure because you smoked too much weed? why isn't anyone else having seizures...?





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I know a few people who have gotten seizures from cannabis ONLY.

I've also known a couple of had heart attacks.








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it's more likely then anything that you got high, experienced a rush of serotonin or dopamine, (possibly from smoking the weed) and you "Thought" it was a seizure. or maybe you're already prone to seizures; maybe you should go see your doctor? you should if you're having seizures; tell him about your theory... he'll/she'll tell you about the fact of Cannabis increasing the seizure threshold in patients and it's why doctors sometimes prescribe weed as medication to people that suffer from convulsions.




Read my post, it was pretty descriptive. I said "i call it a seizure". Obviously it's not just a rush, i was unconscious and i woke up rigid and contorted. It's the only time i've had a seizure. This was years ago, i haven't dosed in a couple of years.

Anything else to rant about ?


rant? i just posed some questions to you. your idea of "rant" is skewed.

i've had a friend take Mushrooms and pass out, or "white out" as i call it. i see it happen alot to people who are ON MUSHROOMS.

i'm QUESTIONING you, to determine if you just think it was because of the weed, just "because" of you have an actually logical reason to believe so.

i think i have my answer.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312625 - 12/22/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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weed can increase blood pressure which is no good for people a heart condition... also sitting upright really fast could kill said person too. WARNING WARNING DON'T SIT UP TOO FAST YOU MIGHT DIE

should be on every seat in every home, goddamn it.


PS: the compounds in the Cannabis plant, does NOT CAUSE SEIZURES; the potential compounds that can be picked up from the plant from the soil or area in was grown in, CAN however.

don't buy pot from a shoddy/uninformed source, and you're good to go. again not a direct action of the plant; just medical contradictions and just plain dangerous growing methodology.

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My dad was friends with a guy who always said he was super sensitive to weed and he thought he was allergic.

Smoked one at a party. Had a heart attack. Currently dead as fuck.



panic attack meets heart valve dis-regulation.

if he thought he was allergic, and was super sensitive to it, probably shouldn't have continued smoking it... oh the 70's.



Of course. I wasn't trying to say the pot necessarily gave him a heart attack, I was just saying the whole thing went sour for him.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: OZA]
    #19312636 - 12/22/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm currently in a predicament.

I love marijuana. But I believe that if you ingest it, its much better for you than smoking.

My hubby and I have been daily smokers for about 4 years and just recently he has come down w some serious health issues. I don't know if the weed smoking caused his strokes or prevented them from being worse (we only knew he had them from a MRI)

I would like to believe that the weed prevented them from being worse, but it cant be proven. Hes also been told he could have a heart valve problem. Don't know the extent of that yet, but I know I also need to not forget his family history of heart problems.

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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: OZA]
    #19312650 - 12/22/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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To you weed isn't a big deal. For 4 years in which I smoked every day, weed wasn't a big deal. Since I've slowed my usage greatly while keeping up with psychedelics though, weed has taken a completely new form.. I learned weed has plasticity and can do many different things to you. I've had to give bud a 2 week break after it launched me back into the middle of a LSD trip I was on the day before. I can no longer smoke and study, smoke and socialize, smoke and then drink. So many things.. So I'm wary, as should everybody else who doesn't smoke daily anymore.

I don't care if people smoke daily, but it's just not for me anymore. I know this quote is usually attributed to harder psychedelics than weed but I think the quote "When you get the message, hang up the phone" is appropriate with bud. There's no point of me being high everyday anymore and so I smoke a couple times a week.. Don't try to make your subjective opinions applicable to everybody here




nobody should be smoking weed everyday, tolerance and insensitivity factors into play here, and you can start becoming more and more distant from your usual "sober state of mind" (obviously) which essentially contains the experiential and motivating premises in your day to day life.

the premises of your day to day life, CAN change if you smoke too much and all the time... that's why when most people stop smoking so much , they realize that they don't even like it (or like it for certain things they used to like it for) anymore.

and some for some people; the premises of their sober life don't alter that much from the premises and proclivities in their "high life"; hence they can get away with smoking more without feeling like they're "getting away from themselves".

weed is essentially a psychedelic... it gives you a picture or essence of what you want; but not exactly what you want; if that's what you're looking for... otherwise, it's completely and utterly up in the air, on what "effects" can be garnered from doing Cannabis; because without a reason or intent, there is simply physiological effects which can be entirely dependent on mood, stability, stress, and other factors of Homeostasis; and which can lead to extremely differing and unexpected results in a persons response to said changes in mood, stability, stress ect ect...

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Of course. I wasn't trying to say the pot necessarily gave him a heart attack, I was just saying the whole thing went sour for him.



i know, i was just stating in my reply to you a clarification, cause you gave a good example of how someone with previous contradictions in "medication" (ie allergy, heart problems, stroke ect ect) can interact with Cannabis, giving wildly unexpected results.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19312661 - 12/22/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I must have had over 100 trips and i've smoked a fuck load of weed. I'm telling you my opinion based on my first hand experience. I never stated any facts related to my seizure. It was always an opinion.



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: VivaLaMushie]
    #19312671 - 12/22/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm currently in a predicament.

I love marijuana. But I believe that if you ingest it, its much better for you than smoking.

My hubby and I have been daily smokers for about 4 years and just recently he has come down w some serious health issues. I don't know if the weed smoking caused his strokes or prevented them from being worse (we only knew he had them from a MRI)

I would like to believe that the weed prevented them from being worse, but it cant be proven. Hes also been told he could have a heart valve problem. Don't know the extent of that yet, but I know I also need to not forget his family history of heart problems.

I hate not knowing.



Hopefully that works out in the end for you guys. Having people you love go through that stuff is rough, and scary.

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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312686 - 12/22/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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People die from weed. Just not from acute toxicity.




Name one.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Murph]
    #19312697 - 12/22/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Torkie said:
People die from weed. Just not from acute toxicity.




Name one.



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312703 - 12/22/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I must have had over 100 trips and i've smoked a fuck load of weed. I'm telling you my opinion based on my first hand experience. I never stated any facts related to my seizure. It was always an opinion.







and i asked you questions,... never an opinion. see the difference here? i wasn't "ranting", i was implying that maybe you don't have all the answers. which you don't. which is why the questions there were posed, were posed the way they were. to illicit the proper response; which is ... "I don't know".

personal first hand experience tells me that all the "things" that happened to you, could be explained by panic attack induced by tripping the fuck out, while on Mushrooms & Weed. (not weed by itself)

which is strictly a mechanism of your own mental state, influencing your physiology, not the other way around.

like i said, i've seen a friend pass out from the tripshit that was going on in his head on Mushrooms;... and i've also seen a personal friend get such an impact of Dopamine from smoking a hit of vaped THC and having such a raise in blood pressure from going from sitting to standing to fast, that in combination; he end up passing out; and his body looked like he was seizing but he wasn't, his muscles just locked up as he fainted because he was sitting cross legged for like twenty minutes, on his ass, before he got up. (which btw is two entirely different situations; one is having a "Trip" the other was having an effect of the response to his body being bombarded with multiple "conditions" at once.)

all of that together caused him to essentially (and effectively) "white out".

Dopamine can be a powerful thing, not to be trifled with in certain situations, and having enough Cannabis smoked in a single bound is likely to result in a predominantly high amount of Dopaminergic transmission and nerve transduction, which in causality with other things that can boost, inhibit, or antagonize your CNS; can lead to these results.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312720 - 12/22/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
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Torkie said:
People die from weed. Just not from acute toxicity.




Name one.



Read my post.



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Soluminia]
    #19312728 - 12/22/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

he's talking about people who like Ryan Dunn (whatever his fuckin' name is) would get high, then go out from a spin on a shopping cart, and get ramshowed by a bus.

he said, "not acute toxicity".

just to be clear. i'm sure he doesn't want to have to explain, AGAIN, what he meant.


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    #19312735 - 12/22/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Torkie said:
I must have had over 100 trips and i've smoked a fuck load of weed. I'm telling you my opinion based on my first hand experience. I never stated any facts related to my seizure. It was always an opinion.







personal first hand experience tells me that all the "things" that happened to you, could be explained by panic attack induced by tripping the fuck out, while on Mushrooms & Weed. (not weed by itself)








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Torkie said:
The seizure was a panic response, i don't think i would have had the same paranoid reaction if i wasn't so high. I used to smoke continuously because you don't realize how high you are and it feels good, but i pushed myself to a few scary reactions on it. I think the seizure was an extension of that.





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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312738 - 12/22/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was replying to XL CAPS not Torkie


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Soluminia]
    #19312748 - 12/22/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
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Torkie said:
People die from weed. Just not from acute toxicity.




Name one.



Read my post.



Do you have any sources?



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312754 - 12/22/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I did and your post means about the equivalent of nothing coming from you unless you back it up by a credible source.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Soluminia]
    #19312762 - 12/22/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I did and your post means about the equivalent of nothing coming from you unless you back it up by a credible source.



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312767 - 12/22/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

UNLESS I READ SOMETHING ON THE INTERNET IT'S NOT TRUE


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312770 - 12/22/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think Wiccans heart attack was safe because it was weed related.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312787 - 12/22/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Torkie said:
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Torkie said:
I must have had over 100 trips and i've smoked a fuck load of weed. I'm telling you my opinion based on my first hand experience. I never stated any facts related to my seizure. It was always an opinion.







personal first hand experience tells me that all the "things" that happened to you, could be explained by panic attack induced by tripping the fuck out, while on Mushrooms & Weed. (not weed by itself)








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The seizure was a panic response, i don't think i would have had the same paranoid reaction if i wasn't so high. I used to smoke continuously because you don't realize how high you are and it feels good, but i pushed myself to a few scary reactions on it. I think the seizure was an extension of that.







not paranoid reaction, physiological. you were on drugs, causing a physiological change in your brain and a psychological change in your consciousness.

you weren't "having a paranoid crisis". did you feel paranoid? did you think your friends were going to hurt you or were talking about you behind your back or ANYTHING PARANOID? no? then it wasn't a paranoid reaction.

this is difference i am pointing out here. either your portrayal of the event isn't exactly accurate, or you're confusing paranoia with a inert physiological reaction to your mental state being so far gone.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312795 - 12/22/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i got high today and i have a heart condition plus, i take insulin for Diabetes plus i do Cocaine on the oft occasion, but i don't care... i also eat pretty irregularly and don't eat enough fruits and vegetables; i have sleep apnea, i also like to dance on the weekend; and jog to try and get healthy.

then i had a heart attack and you know what WEED DID IT!


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    #19312800 - 12/22/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do we have to keep going through this ?


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did you feel paranoid?





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I went to the toilet to take a piss and i got a pain in my chest, it was nothing unusual, but it happened a second time and my mind just flipped.




Yes i was paranoid about dying hence the extreme response.  Stop trying to tell me what i went through.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312813 - 12/22/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have had blood sugar/ blood pressure type problems which felt horrible which almost made me want to never smoke again but it stopped happening.  The only paranoia i have experienced was just very extreme confusion about what was going on


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    #19312829 - 12/22/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i'm not trying to tell you what you went through, in fact, you can't even tell me what you went through, considering a: you whited out at one point and b: it was in the past and memory recollection tends to fade and during panic inducing events, causes lapses and distortions of said events.

i'm telling you something else though, that's very simple... you got a pain in your chest, NOT FROM PARANOIA, but from an induced physiological response perhaps exacerbated by being on psychedelic drugs.

the paranoia that might have followed afterwards, but you can't tell me or anyone else, because as you say "your mind just flipped".

are you trying to tell me that you thought you were dying before you thought you were dying? :shrug: that doesn't make sense.

more likely you had a panic induced seizure, than a "paranoid heart attack" (which don't exist, unless you're paranoid already... but again, NOT BECAUSE OF THE WEED, in that case, because you'd already have to be paranoid without it, to be paranoid about a paranoid induced heart attack; considering they don't exist)

it's words, and it sucks, but i don't know if you can tell me how it all worked anyways. :shrug:
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I have had blood sugar/ blood pressure type problems which felt horrible which almost made me want to never smoke again but it stopped happening.  The only paranoia i have experienced was just very extreme confusion about what was going on



confusion is a side effect of low blood sugar, and a low blood pressure would indicate that.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312865 - 12/22/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I told you everything i remember, i don't know what you want from me.
The pain was a muscle twinge, clearly it came before the paranoia. It was a trigger.


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I went to the toilet to take a piss and i got a pain in my chest, it was nothing unusual, but it happened a second time and my mind just flipped.





You should really listen to yourself. Ridiculous post after ridiculous post.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312867 - 12/22/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

STOP BURNING PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kingcrankey::kingcrankey::kingcrankey:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: seadragon]
    #19312871 - 12/22/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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STOP BURNING PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kingcrankey::kingcrankey::kingcrankey:



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    #19312898 - 12/22/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Weed isn't a problem when it's used in moderation and doesn't consume your priorities. When you abuse weed it abuses you ten-fold. You lose any motivation, you lose clarity of thought, and you become dependent, unable to survive without it. I know some people who can't EAT, they can't fucking eat food, without smoking weed first. That's a problem. Ime if weed is treated with respect, like any other drug, it will have mostly positive effects, on your outlook on life, etc. It's also a nice way to just relax. But if you smoke every day, and are high more than you are sober, chances are you have a problem. That's the thing with weed. It is so easy to acquire, and it's effects so subtle (ESPECIALLY the negative ones) that you don't even notice as you lose hold of yourself.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19312922 - 12/22/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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seadragon said:
STOP BURNING PLANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kingcrankey::kingcrankey::kingcrankey:



Weed=murder




some ppl just  want to see the  weed burn :sonofawebitch:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312933 - 12/22/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I told you everything i remember, i don't know what you want from me.
The pain was a muscle twinge, clearly it came before the paranoia. It was a trigger.


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I went to the toilet to take a piss and i got a pain in my chest, it was nothing unusual, but it happened a second time and my mind just flipped.





You should really listen to yourself. Ridiculous post after ridiculous post.



i don't want anything from you, but for you stop talking maybe. like i said... it wasn't a "paranoia" that induced your condition, but physiological response to being on drugs. it's that simple. paranoia does not cause symptoms like you describe, unless you doing jumping jacks and hyperventilating at the same time, maybe then in your "paranoid state" you can induce a heart attack by thinking you need to do the jumping jacks because if you don't your mother will get killed or something like that... and you GIVE YOURSELF a heart attack.

otherwise, there is no real way for a bout of paranoia to "trigger" a seizure or heart attack, or anything.

what is so hard to understand about that? you said it was paranoia that lead to you "flipping out" but it wasn't, it was the potential for a heart attack and the physiological response to that, that made you "flip out".

paranoia DOES NOT induce physiological symptoms by itself; do i have to say it again, to be clearer? Paranoia DOES NOT induce ANY physiological symptoms IN AND OF ITSELF.

Paranoia is a "mental disease", NOT a physical one; ALTHOUGH, paranoia CAN BE TRIGGERED by another underlying PHYSICAL disease or syndrome.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19312961 - 12/22/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I called it a paranoid reaction. It was absolutely a paranoid reaction. I wasn't dying was i ?


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    #19312975 - 12/22/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well said.


I've been at the point where I can't eat unless I get high first for a few months now; I still love it though and find no problem if used in moderation. Probably not good for people with addictive personalities though.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312981 - 12/22/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Paranoia can lead to panic attacks/anxiety. Those do have physiological effects.

Sorry to tell you dude but your thought process isn't fully developed.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19312996 - 12/22/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well if your heart suddenly went into palpitations, i'd say you could very well die. so yes, you could have been dying. was the heart palpitations real? maybe, maybe not. maybe it was a reaction to yourself being inert and on drugs and possibly with an underlying medical condition cropping up.

you can't really know without a check up and it's safe to assume that the paranoia didn't come first BEFORE you felt that you had the heart palpitations, only after; meaning the heart palpitations weren't induced by any paranoia; the paranoia was induced by the heart palpitation.

which would have been induced by a physiological response to possibly many different things in tangent with one another, leading to the palpitations then leading to the paranoia.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19313003 - 12/22/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
Paranoia can lead to panic attacks/anxiety. Those do have physiological effects.

Sorry to tell you dude but your thought process isn't fully developed.



paranoia does not have physiological effects, but can lead to anxiety, WHICH CAN lead to physiological effects.

it's the order in which he describes his symptoms that's in question here, not whether or not being paranoid can lead to possible "events" which can cause a "physiological condition".

my thought process is complete and solid. you just think i'm questioning the wrong thing, i'm not, i'm not questioning whether paranoia can lead to anxiety, i'm questioning whether paranoia lead to a heart palpitation.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313009 - 12/22/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Where did i say i had palpitations ? You're really clutching at straws. I don't think i've ever seen anyone dig themselves so deep in an attempt to be right.

Thanks XLCaps, i didn't think i was the problem.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313041 - 12/22/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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XLCaps said:
Paranoia can lead to panic attacks/anxiety. Those do have physiological effects.

Sorry to tell you dude but your thought process isn't fully developed.



paranoia does not have physiological effects, but can lead to anxiety, WHICH CAN lead to physiological effects.

it's the order in which he describes his symptoms that's in question here, not whether or not being paranoid can lead to possible "events" which can cause a "physiological condition".

my thought process is complete and solid. you just think i'm questioning the wrong thing, i'm not, i'm not questioning whether paranoia can lead to anxiety, i'm questioning whether paranoia lead to a heart palpitation.



:thumbup:

You're trying way too hard here, and really not being convincing. You're not an expert on anything, we both know that. Stop trying to tell the dude things you aren't certain of.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19313049 - 12/22/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no.

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i got a pain in my chest, it was nothing unusual, but it happened a second time and my mind just flipped




^ that's a heart palpitation

so you really don't know wtf you are talking about, even in reference to your own words. interesting.

PS: both regarding your HEART PALPITATIONS and your "seizure", BOTH are incompatible with your theory that it was caused by weed.

regardless of which placeholder you use for your story. (which ever story we're talking about at this point is irrelevant, cause they both have the same defunct hypothesis and the same outcome. it wasn't the weed.)

i'm not trying to tell you how to tell your stories, or trying to tell you that you're story is wrong. i could care less. what i am telling you, is what i've been saying all along, and that is that you cannot have either/or of those "medical conditions" from having smoked weed; NOR from Paranoia, or ANY COMBINATION of the two. nothing to do with "story telling". sorry.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313058 - 12/22/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You care too much. Go get high you little scamp, you.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313062 - 12/22/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I told you it was a muscle twinge. A palpitation is increased heartbeat. I was responding to a pain, palpitations don't hurt.
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313075 - 12/22/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Chest pain can be caused by a number of things, not just heart palpitations.

Neither you, nor XLCaps knows what happened to him, as you weren't there.

I smoke weed multiple times daily, and nothing bad has ever come from it, but my body chemistry agrees with weed. Not everyone's does.
Weed can cause panic attacks, which can cause chest pain, and potentially seizures and/or heart attacks.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313093 - 12/22/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

STOP KILLING WEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kingcrankey:


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    #19313108 - 12/22/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thinking hurts sometimes but I smoke weed and it's k


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19313118 - 12/22/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

using weed can be a big deal depending on your level of experience and how frequent a user you are. especially with how strong pot is these days. I had an acquaintance call 911 on himself in high school after he smoked weed for the first time because he thought he was dying.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313137 - 12/22/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
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akira_akuma said:
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XLCaps said:
Paranoia can lead to panic attacks/anxiety. Those do have physiological effects.

Sorry to tell you dude but your thought process isn't fully developed.



paranoia does not have physiological effects, but can lead to anxiety, WHICH CAN lead to physiological effects.

it's the order in which he describes his symptoms that's in question here, not whether or not being paranoid can lead to possible "events" which can cause a "physiological condition".

my thought process is complete and solid. you just think i'm questioning the wrong thing, i'm not, i'm not questioning whether paranoia can lead to anxiety, i'm questioning whether paranoia lead to a heart palpitation.



:thumbup:

You're trying way too hard here, and really not being convincing. You're not an expert on anything, we both know that. Stop trying to tell the dude things you aren't certain of.



i'm not certain of anything. though, to my understanding, paranoia cannot lead to heart palpitations and/or seizure without another underlying cause in tandem.

this is a well known fact on the difference between mental condition (psyche conditions) and physical conditions (physiological conditions)

not something up for questioning; as both terms for the conditions are completely separate from each other.

i'm not trying to tell anyone anything about themselves. NOTHING of the sort. just explaining the facts, is all. if you can't accept that, then that's fine. you can ignore me, or you can explain how i am wrong.
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I told you it was a muscle twinge. A palpitation is increased heartbeat. I was responding to a pain, palpitations don't hurt.
My last post on this, i need to sleep.



that's what you TOLD ME later, not what you originally said. who said i wanted to argue with you about what you say in the future? i was and always was talking about what you originally said. your correction was duly noted, but you still can't say that a paranoid reaction to something is going to cause physiological medical conditions, without an underlying cause... you just can't. not without believing that "fear can literally kill, and heart break can stop your heart"; which can all be explained by physiological conditions and not mental ones. i'm done too, it seems i've made my point, no one has to agree with me, just thought i'd try considering how dumbshit simple this concept is.
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You care too much. Go get high you little scamp, you.



what should i care about? tell me.
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Weed can cause panic attacks, which can cause chest pain, and potentially seizures and/or heart attacks.




weed can cause UNDERLYING CONDITIONS to create a panic induced state, which can create physiological effects; such as eventual liver function, heart function, kidney function, brain function decline ect ect... and only with an underlying condition; otherwise it's just paranoia.

as you can see, plenty of things can cause panic attack and acute physiological effects from said panic attack; plenty of things that are NOT in the differential for "weed induced paranoia"

panic attack is a physiological response to stress, which is a physiological response to something in your environment or latent mental dis-ease.

NOT an acute response to "Dopamine, THC or any ensuing action from said drugs"; unless they are ingested at an inordinately high level dosage. (which Oxygen can do to: should we blame Oxygen when someone has a seizure or chest pain? no, we shouldn't.)


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: morrowasted]
    #19313157 - 12/22/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know a guy that mixed a shit load of tobacco in his bong bowls and he passed out once
tried it one time and I though it was gross I wouldn't use that bong 
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313158 - 12/22/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you get paid to post?


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    #19313162 - 12/22/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Weed. :thumbup:  :jah:  :potleaf:  :fbsnugs:


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    #19313163 - 12/22/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You should care about your self image not matter on the internet or not. I'm not getting a good picture. What I meant is, you care way too much about being right.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19313170 - 12/22/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tahp93 said:
Do you get paid to post?




no, i just have principles to uphold. i wish i didn't, trust me, i wish i could just live in a hut by my lonesome so i wouldn't have to deal with people and their lack of comprehension and their unwillingness to cope without ideological bargaining.

but i'm people, so... no, i don't get paid to post.
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You should care about your self image not matter on the internet or not. I'm not getting a good picture. What I meant is, you care way too much about being right.



i don't care about being right, or about being wrong. i can accept when i am wrong? can you?

my self image is just fine. why should i depend on you or anyone else for my self image? that's kinda backwards, isn't it?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313200 - 12/22/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, underlying conditions is the root of the problem, but weed is what brought it out. Therefore, weed had a negative impact on him. That was the point of his story, whether he worded it perfectly or not.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313216 - 12/22/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ok there bud :thumbup:

You can cry on my shoulder, if you want.


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    #19313240 - 12/22/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Me?
What am I crying about?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313257 - 12/22/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, underlying conditions is the root of the problem, but weed is what brought it out. Therefore, weed had a negative impact on him. That was the point of his story, whether he worded it perfectly or not.



weed didn't "bring it out for him" it "made him realize he had a crisis of good conscious and a possible underlying physical problem".

it didn't "make him or bring to him anything"; it wasn't a catalyst. he was on shrooms, he was in the presence of company and in an inert state, he probably (and i repeat) had an underlying problem; plenty of other catalysts other then weed... and those things can cause exacerbation of an underlying medical condition or paranoia/panic attack, or stress... while weed can only substantiate those previously mentioned (and attained) physiological effects; as it isn't nearly powerful enough of a physiological strain to denigrate your state of physiological distress; not without paranoia present already. (same thing can probably be said about Mushrooms too, but for the sake of the argument...)

the question here is "does Marijuana induce paranoia"; and the answer is "if it was already present, then obviously no..." paranoia is present even without the drug; so how can it be "because of the drug"?

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ok there bud :thumbup:

You can cry on my shoulder, if you want.



oh really now. nah, we can share our thoughts, and leave it at that.
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Me?
What am I crying about?



he's talking to me, because he thinks i "care to much about being right"... for all he knows, i might just like typing big long wordy posts.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313278 - 12/22/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like you.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313299 - 12/22/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agreed with you about the underlying conditions, so using that to argue against me is invalid. It's possible that weed wasn't the catalyst is his situation, or at least not exclusively, but it certainly had something to do with it.
Whether you agree with it or not, weed does have the potential to bring underlying psychological/physiological issues out in the open.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313318 - 12/22/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i DO indeed agree with that. that's EXACTLY what i'm saying.

it doesn't however "cause said conditions" is what i've been trying to establish here, all along.


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    #19313334 - 12/22/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, we're on the same page then.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313342 - 12/22/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
I like you.



i like you too, you're not too quick to judge. feelin' me out and shit. we can agree to disagree, can we not? because i find fault or wrongness in a reasoning or conclusion or a fact, does that make my assertions any less true? does that make yours? honesty is the best policy when it comes to providing consensus of facts.
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Ok, we're on the same page then.



i know we were, it's just hard to explain something like this, without having to repeat yourself twenty times, apparently.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313421 - 12/22/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Weed can certainly cause and exacerbate an increased heart-rate, paranoia, anxiety, feelings of panic, etc.

Is that what this argument was about? Those are well known and documented effects...


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: birdland]
    #19313451 - 12/22/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

only one of those is true.

you know what else can cause paranoia, anxiety, feelings of panic? dangerous heart rate increase, and blood pressure rise.

ie infarction

that can, and coming close to it, can cause all of the pronounced mental and stress effects.

weird eh?

yes, weed can cause a heart rate increase... so can ingesting any substance that crosses the blood brain barrier.

PS: dialectics can be confusing... my argument is for explaining how "paranoia isn't caused by weed, and that IF paranoia is present before and/or after consuming weed; proves that weed isn't the cause of the paranoia, it is rather an exacerbation of an underlying condition."


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313480 - 12/22/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Everyone is different but getting stoned will increase my heart rate moreso than taking speed, which is peculiar.

I find it ridiculous that you don't believe weed can cause
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paranoia, anxiety, feelings of panic




These are not even uncommon effects, though they vary greatly in severity from one person to the next.


Once I was really stoned playing bass at home by myself and then I heard what I believe was someone throwing up in my bathroom. I immediately concluded it was a ghost that was going to haunt/kill me as I was hearing this vomiting very vividly. So I worked up the courage to go check in the bathroom honestly terrified by what I was about to see, and of course there was no one there.

Now I don't even believe in ghosts or paranormal sort of shit and I've never had  any delusional/paranoid experience that comes the slightest bit close to this while sober. But no hang on, it wasn't an unfortunate reaction to being too high because weed can't make you paranoid. :rolleyes:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: birdland]
    #19313495 - 12/22/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you don't believe in something? sounds like you believe there is something to believe. sure your mind isn't just more prone to "wondering" whilst high? does this not sound like a logical conclusion...?


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    #19313545 - 12/22/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay to be more clear - I don't believe in that concept of "ghost" as something that floats around after someone dies and goes and haunts people and doesn't have to obey the laws of physics. In the same vein I don't believe in "god" as some dude that sits back and watches this all unfolding and loves us all but won't stop you from burning in hell for eternity if you choose to have gay sex.

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sure your mind isn't just more prone to "wondering" whilst high? does this not sound like a logical conclusion...?





It sure is. The difference between this story and normally when my mind is "wondering" is that I don't freak out and have my heart popping out of my throat from a simply "wondering" mind.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313573 - 12/22/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You should probably go let erowid know that they screwed up their effects lists for cannibis since I found the following effects listed  :nonono:

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mild to severe anxiety
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: birdland]
    #19313584 - 12/22/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

weed increases heart rate, which in turn can cause stress, which can in turn cause your heart to start beating faster and can cause anxiety which can lead to paranoia with an already "wondering mind"; and with an increased heart rate leading to increased Catecholamine leading to increased blood glucose which can cause not only anxiety, but hallucinations (and delusional psychosis at dangerous enough levels), paranoia and other delusional thinking patterns; which in turn can account for your symptoms that you had.

plus, not too mention THC, being a psychedelic, can increase the awareness of these conditions, and alter the "brain's dictation" (in other words, can confuse or mix communications and messages in the brain) of subsequent electrical signals.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313599 - 12/22/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I thought we were on the same page, but you're literally saying that weed causes on symptom, which causes another, which causes another.

That makes weed the cause of the resulting disorder/illness/whatever.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: birdland]
    #19313605 - 12/22/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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birdland said:
You should probably go let erowid know that they screwed up their effects lists for cannibis since I found the following effects listed  :nonono:

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racing heart, agitation, feeling tense
mild to severe anxiety
panic attacks in sensitive users or with very high dose
paranoid & anxious thoughts more frequent






i like how carefully and exquisitely they worded this part of the list... it seems that all of the above can be explained by the increased heart rate. seems like they know what they're talking about, only can people read something without it needn't be spoken aloud to them; or without due dictation; to actually be understood past their own focal misapprehension of what and why they are reading it?

a list is a list, it is not a fact, nor is it ardent to be known as fact, it is a list; of effects described by people; with LOOSE interpretation.

that list means no more then what i've already stated myself, as providence.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: birdland]
    #19313618 - 12/22/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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weed increases heart rate, which in turn can cause stress, which can in turn cause your heart to start beating faster and can cause anxiety which can lead to paranoia




This whole chain reaction theory of yours can be reversed and would still be logical. Do you have any decent sources to back it up? Not that it would matter anyway since with this theory of yours the effects of the weed are still leading to the paranoia and anxiety, which you may have overlooked...

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that list means no more then what i've already stated myself, as providence.




I'll take erowids word over yours :lol:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313622 - 12/22/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I thought we were on the same page, but you're literally saying that weed causes on symptom, which causes another, which causes another.

That makes weed the cause of the resulting disorder/illness/whatever.



no, i am not. i am not "literally" saying anything... my post is clearly in the form of a figurative explanation for the paranoia he describes.

weed isn't a cause of any of those things, except increased heart rate. those other aforementioned things are symptoms of the concluding effects of the increased heart rate; which COULD BE caused by the weed.

more often then not, weed causing an increased heart rate, won't even begin to scratch the surface of those other inherent symptoms, not without amazing happenstance, or ANOTHER underlying cause(s) contributing to further symptomatic behavior.

there is a HUGE difference between a CAUSE and A SYMPTOM.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: birdland]
    #19313628 - 12/22/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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weed increases heart rate, which in turn can cause stress, which can in turn cause your heart to start beating faster and can cause anxiety which can lead to paranoia




This whole chain reaction theory of yours can be reversed and would still be logical. Do you have any decent sources to back it up? Not that it would matter anyway since with this theory of yours the effects of the weed are still leading to the paranoia and anxiety, which you may have overlooked...

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that list means no more then what i've already stated myself, as providence.




I'll take erowids word over yours :lol:




is that supposed to be glib? i already said, their list is good. just like i could describe it, only i'd not make a list, and i'd ascribe to what causes lead to what symptoms and what symptoms lead to waht causes. more in depth, like i am doing now.

and ya, YOU still wouldn't read it or take it seriously... even if the logic is backed up. so? oh well. :shrug: it's not my fault you are confused, i don't have to feel bad.

oh and PS: like i said to the first guy i was talking to who thought he should rather be arguing then just accepting a point of view (other than his own :shock: )

... the paranoia probably most likely came first, then the anxiety, then the  increased heart rate leading to chest pains and then back to "him blaming weed".

like you said; in reverse, it still works.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19313668 - 12/22/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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underfliptown said:
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Synthe said:
tl;dr




ignored




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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313669 - 12/22/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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is that supposed to be glib? i already said, their list is good.


Right my bad then, I misinterpreted part of your last post. :smile:

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like you said; in reverse, it still works.


I thought you were arguing that it always works in the order you mentioned?

Also I see no reason to believe that these effects won't occur independently. I can't be bothered reading sources to prove either way tbh because I just don't care enough :lol: but are you actually basing this theory off decent sources/studies or just your own thoughts?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313681 - 12/22/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You're just arguing to argue. Repeating the same thing doesn't make it any more true.

The fact of the matter is, your body chemistry is different from mine, which is different than his, which is different than the next guy's. That being the case, weed has the potential to affect each of us very, very differently. And while it might not cause those symptoms for you, or me, or anyone you've ever seen smoke weed, it could cause those symptoms in them.

Like I said earlier, neither of us has any idea what they experienced, because we didn't experience it.
To tell someone what they experienced can't have happened the way they say it did, and to continue to argue with them about it, is nothing short of arrogance.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Enjoywho]
    #19313684 - 12/22/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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underfliptown said:
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Synthe said:
tl;dr




ignored




Tldr



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313719 - 12/22/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Weed is fine for me and I see at as no big deal, but that's because I follow the Erowid motto:

Know your mind, know your body, know your substance, know your source. I know my own mind and body so I am able to make that judgement, and others too. Everyone is different, the physiological effects of weed could really affect some and some others less so, such as raising heart rates.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313728 - 12/22/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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is that supposed to be glib? i already said, their list is good.


Right my bad then, I misinterpreted part of your last post. :smile:

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like you said; in reverse, it still works.


I thought you were arguing that it always works in the order you mentioned?

Also I see no reason to believe that these effects won't occur independently. I can't be bothered reading sources to prove either way tbh because I just don't care enough :lol: but are you actually basing this theory off decent sources/studies or just your own thoughts?


decent sources; i didnt just make it all up. PS: there IS no reason to believe that those effects cant or wont happen independently. :wink:

PPS: my original argument wasnt an argument, really. my original statement was that weed didnt cause a particular user to have a seizure :lol:
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You're just arguing to argue. Repeating the same thing doesn't make it any more true.

The fact of the matter is, your body chemistry is different from mine, which is different than his, which is different than the next guy's. That being the case, weed has the potential to affect each of us very, very differently. And while it might not cause those symptoms for you, or me, or anyone you've ever seen smoke weed, it could cause those symptoms in them.

Like I said earlier, neither of us has any idea what they experienced, because we didn't experience it.
To tell someone what they experienced can't have happened the way they say it did, and to continue to argue with them about it, is nothing short of arrogance.



i wasnt arguing with them, they started arguing with me; and Torkie just didnt like what i was saying... and i wasnt trying to prove anything to him, i was only stating how he could be wrong in his assertion that weed caused his black out and subsequent seizure.

he didnt like that... you didnt like that, other posters didnt like that. its like trying to dissuade the mob; and i didnt even start an argument... just had a reasonable conclusion and opinion that someone didnt like. no hair of of my back, but its been interesting trying to explain to you guys how a point of view works, and how medicine works.

so there is that... and yes, you can call me arrogant. this thread has made me quite arrogant, maybe... just maybe i am already an arrogant kinda guy. certainly didnt start out that way in this thread, though... how it started was by me stating some facts, from my point of view, and pretty well established facts at that.
sorry to offend you so much.

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such as raising heart rates.



that seems to be one thing there is no contention for in this thread.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: stellarshnap]
    #19313997 - 12/22/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

weed warped my priorities
I would be a very different person without weed
I love it and hate it
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19314003 - 12/22/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: thelanzii] * 1
    #19314351 - 12/23/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't get me wrong, I know many functional stoners, but I can't help but think about how much more they could have achieved if they had just let the drug go while they had the chance.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19314753 - 12/23/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't assert that weed caused a seizure. The OP was partly about LSD and weed. So i said i had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed.
Obviously not just weed. I said it was a panic response and i was on shrooms. I don't think the trip would have ran away from me were i not so stoned, because they generally didn't. Is this so hard for you to get your head around ?

You've gone from point to point, spouting nonsense or just repeating what i already said like you were telling me something new, and being a dick about it.
This is easily the most obnoxious interaction i've had on this site in 8 years here.

And i never said i had palpitations originally, it always started with a pain that my head blew out of proportion. I was absolutely fine when i stood up to go to the toilet.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19314847 - 12/23/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I too found Akira's posts a bit confusing.

First he said that weed didn't cause paranoia, anxiety, etc.
Then he said that it can be caused as a secondary result of the increased heart-rate that weed can cause.
Then he pretty much told me that those effects can be caused by weed (independently of heart-rate increase)

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PS: there IS no reason to believe that those effects cant or wont happen independently.




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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19315367 - 12/23/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

words are confusing, especially if you make assumptions on why they are being said. birdland, i was never making an argument to tie all of the above together into a neat package. i was subverted from my original statement because Torkie and souple others required explanation of what i meant, and the topic kinda veered off course. of course, upon saying words... people got offended, thus causing more abject de-railing. it's not my fauly people take words and get offended by them for no reason and blow things out of proportion. heck, i'm right along with them for the ride.
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Torkie said:
I didn't assert that weed caused a seizure. The OP was partly about LSD and weed. So i said i had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed.
Obviously not just weed. I said it was a panic response and i was on shrooms. I don't think the trip would have ran away from me were i not so stoned, because they generally didn't. Is this so hard for you to get your head around ?

You've gone from point to point, spouting nonsense or just repeating what i already said like you were telling me something new, and being a dick about it.
This is easily the most obnoxious interaction i've had on this site in 8 years here.

And i never said i had palpitations originally, it always started with a pain that my head blew out of proportion. I was absolutely fine when i stood up to go to the toilet.


Give me strength.



saying "you reckon it was because you smoked too much weed" is pretty well the same thing as saying it was "because of the weed". which is pretty well what i was saying probably wasn't what it was. sorry if you can't accept another point of view you can't agree with... :shrug: and that words annoy you so. PS: a pain that your "head blew out of proportion" is exactly the kinda paranoia i'm referring to. i wasn't being a dick (at least not intentionally, certainly didn't call anyone a dick or anything like you have) i wasn't "spouting nonsense" but you can believe whatever you want. i was explaining to you some things in the form of words... which can offend some people, if they are usually slighted by nothing... which i can't just tell off the bat, because this is the internet, and you gotta just post some shit to see if anyone is going to partake in discussion or just whine about how hurt their feelwings are.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: stellarshnap]
    #19315384 - 12/23/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't get me wrong, I know many functional stoners, but I can't help but think about how much more they could have achieved if they had just let the drug go while they had the chance.




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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: blackglass6219]
    #19315399 - 12/23/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone feel like  :commonsense: is lacking more and more in this generation?
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I agree with you OP, but it's still a drug and comes with negative effects (even if they are mild) that people should be aware of




PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW , lmao

I guess every ape gets to be young once but why don't you direct your teen angst in a better direction .

For the record the only "negative effect" from marijuana comes from the carcinogens in the smoke itself .

I.E if your a little bitch :: vape it / eat it / dab it .


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: HeroMike]
    #19316396 - 12/23/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyone feel like  :commonsense: is lacking more and more in this generation?
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blackglass6219 said:
I agree with you OP, but it's still a drug and comes with negative effects (even if they are mild) that people should be aware of




PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW , lmao

I guess every ape gets to be young once but why don't you direct your teen angst in a better direction .

For the record the only "negative effect" from marijuana comes from the carcinogens in the smoke itself .

I.E if your a little bitch :: vape it / eat it / dab it .


Some of us like that tarry goodness .



It was actually recently proven that marijuana combats cancer so well, that even smoking it poses almost no risk of getting cancer.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
    #19316574 - 12/23/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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words are confusing, especially if you make assumptions on why they are being said. birdland, i was never making an argument to tie all of the above together into a neat package. i was subverted from my original statement because Torkie and souple others required explanation of what i meant, and the topic kinda veered off course. of course, upon saying words... people got offended, thus causing more abject de-railing. it's not my fauly people take words and get offended by them for no reason and blow things out of proportion. heck, i'm right along with them for the ride.
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I didn't assert that weed caused a seizure. The OP was partly about LSD and weed. So i said i had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed.
Obviously not just weed. I said it was a panic response and i was on shrooms. I don't think the trip would have ran away from me were i not so stoned, because they generally didn't. Is this so hard for you to get your head around ?

You've gone from point to point, spouting nonsense or just repeating what i already said like you were telling me something new, and being a dick about it.
This is easily the most obnoxious interaction i've had on this site in 8 years here.

And i never said i had palpitations originally, it always started with a pain that my head blew out of proportion. I was absolutely fine when i stood up to go to the toilet.


Give me strength.



saying "you reckon it was because you smoked too much weed" is pretty well the same thing as saying it was "because of the weed". which is pretty well what i was saying probably wasn't what it was. sorry if you can't accept another point of view you can't agree with... :shrug: and that words annoy you so. PS: a pain that your "head blew out of proportion" is exactly the kinda paranoia i'm referring to. i wasn't being a dick (at least not intentionally, certainly didn't call anyone a dick or anything like you have) i wasn't "spouting nonsense" but you can believe whatever you want. i was explaining to you some things in the form of words... which can offend some people, if they are usually slighted by nothing... which i can't just tell off the bat, because this is the internet, and you gotta just post some shit to see if anyone is going to partake in discussion or just whine about how hurt their feelwings are.




:blah:

Jesus your posts are boring and long. You just talk and talk about some opinion that doesn't matter and you truly think you're right. I don't even read them anymore, it's just a headache.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19316735 - 12/23/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

good, i'm glad i gave you a headache. your posts have always been the same in your two years or so, here... and have always given me a headache, with your lack of information, your pathetic retorts, and your inherent uninteresting quality of your posts. big whoop. :shrug: my posting style varies from time to time, because there are several different walks of life on this board, and i'd like to learn and try to accommodate each one of them to the best of my abilities.

have something other then "Weed" or "tripping" or "shit talk" to talk about, then you start ranting about my posts being "boring". until then i'll wait until a more fascinating subject comes along to actually discuss, or until someone(s) starts a conversation that isn't about fecal matter, growths, politics, and drugs. i'll be there, gladly to discuss topics that aren't redundant.

this subject however... weed... i have nothing more to say on the subject unless i have to correct people on misunderstood facts; then i'll say something because i'm personally sick of it and i'll do what i please, in order to correct or injure the arguments for misappropriated "facts", that are slung around so often around here... and because people can't stop talking about weed. (look i made this stinking thread, first anyways and look how this has turned out... now we get a thread every week about "weed isn't bad stop complaining people"; then people still complain and the only person that will try and get them to shut the fuck up about it is me (apparently). i know i shouldn't try so hard, and i think i'm liable to stop considering all you people do, with your narrow and shallow point of view, is insult me for what i'm saying, when i am not insulting you... hell, i am not even insulting back at this stage anymore, because it's useless. the people that will listen, will see that i am only trying to help and not trying to annoy anyone. i don't care if i do though, because people like yourself will always try and meander of to the opinion that "i'm so lame, look at your posts god so lame"; not realizing that i get that type of response from one type of ponce around here... so i find it not only quite funny, but also... kinda redundant too. so :shrug: i don't care, but it's losing it's edge. you ponces (that's my words for you now ponces) can keep rattling your sharp tongue about how "lame my posts are" but you haven't even had a conversation with me... you don't even know me... and you don't make any attempt to make any conversation anywhere, because you are indeed boringly meandering around the internet posting sweet nothings for your own useless entertainment about fart jokes and of course drugs.

THAT's LAME. way lamer then having objectivity. i might get into these useless "debates" and "debacles" but it's only because i am reflecting in my own words what the subject matter is concurrently about in these types of threads.

catch me in a good thread, duder... but oh yeah... you don't wanna be there... you wanna be talking about the same old shit you wanna talk about anyways, because that's what you do... that's YOUR life (so many others)

i could be more crass, but i've given that up... and now i've got more haters then ever! must be doin something right.

go back and troll OTD some more.

PS: i guess the amount of words in a persons post automatically presumes the indelible assertion that they think they are right. but i'll have you know, i inquired about no such thing. i shared my opinions, and gave logical discourse. a few other posters did to, who disagree with me, and i give them props for not getting offended over words.

PPS: words words and more words, am i more right now? :rolleyes:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19316741 - 12/23/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It is a big deal when I don't have it and want it. Other than that, it's not a big deal. The good news is that it grows on trees, and I'm good at growing trees.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19316883 - 12/23/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can't speak for anyone else who's disagreed with you in this thread, but I haven't been offended by anything you've said. I just think you're wrong.

It seems to me that if you post a differing opinion, its ok, but when we post an opinion that's different from yours, we're arguing with you. It has indeed been an argument, but you're no less at fault than the rest of us.

You've stated that you're expressing opinions, and you've stated that you're correcting misunderstood facts. It can only be one or the other.

If you have a problem with these types of threads, and want a 'better one' to post in, why don't you just skip over these threads? Why not make a thread that provokes intelligent discussion rather than telling people the flaws in their threads?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
    #19317030 - 12/23/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Jesus your posts are boring and long. You just talk and talk about some opinion that doesn't matter and you truly think you're right. I don't even read them anymore, it's just a headache.




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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19317090 - 12/23/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I can't speak for anyone else who's disagreed with you in this thread, but I haven't been offended by anything you've said. I just think you're wrong.

It seems to me that if you post a differing opinion, its ok, but when we post an opinion that's different from yours, we're arguing with you.





read my last post again... i didn't say those who disagreed with me were arguing and i actually just said that i appreciated that your opinions were different and that you disagreed with me without taking offense to what i was saying... you're included in that appreciation. i didn't say (not once) that those that were differing in opinion were arguing. look at my post. you can see that i did no such thing. i actually said the opposite of what you just said i said. (that you thought i said that you were taking offense to what i was saying... i din't... i didn't even say that, so :lol: )

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You've stated that you're expressing opinions, and you've stated that you're correcting misunderstood facts. It can only be one or the other.

If you have a problem with these types of threads, and want a 'better one' to post in, why don't you just skip over these threads? Why not make a thread that provokes intelligent discussion rather than telling people the flaws in their threads?




see, by your logic, i'm somehow unable to correct what i find as a misappropriate fact, without it being my own opinion. that's just not the case... IT IS my opinion, and furthermore, i didn't come in here to correct any "facts", but i've certainly had to, after being told that Paranoia can cause seizure... that's what the guy said, even if he was misunderstood, he could have said that. he didn't... he just concluded that i wasn't "believing his story"; which had nothing to do with anything i was saying. see, i can say what i want, it's up to you if you wanna see it as me finding fault, or me just discussing the topic. which i have been this whole time, other then addressing personal posts, such as this one, towards me.

see how that works? you keep asking me to go away, and other people keep saying "go away" but i'm just discussing the topic at hand. dispelling weed myths and proclaiming what is "good about weed" is IN THE THREAD TITLE itself.

if you guys wanna keep making this bout me though, i'm happy to oblige.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19317157 - 12/23/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't have a problem with anything y
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I can't speak for anyone else who's disagreed with you in this thread, but I haven't been offended by anything you've said. I just think you're wrong.

It seems to me that if you post a differing opinion, its ok, but when we post an opinion that's different from yours, we're arguing with you.





read my last post again... i didn't say those who disagreed with me were arguing and i actually just said that i appreciated that your opinions were different and that you disagreed with me without taking offense to what i was saying... you're included in that appreciation. i didn't say (not once) that those that were differing in opinion were arguing. look at my post. you can see that i did no such thing. i actually said the opposite of what you just said i said. (that you thought i said that you were taking offense to what i was saying... i din't... i didn't even say that, so :lol: )
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My mistake for misunderstanding that point. I appreciate a good debate, and I appreciate differing points of view.

However, you CAN NOT correct a fact with an opinion. It simply doesn't work that way.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19317223 - 12/23/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

never said i was correcting facts entirely, i said i was correcting the misappropriation of them. i like medicine... i like talking about changes in physiology and psychological behavior (which go hand in hand with taking drugs)

can't blame me for talking about things that interest me, on a forum about drugs and in a thread about weed, with users stating physiological effects can be "caused by paranoia". this kind of thinking interests me; especially since, it's backwards... it's not paranoia that causes physiological change, it's paranoia that dispels the reasoning (rational reasoning) of "the causes of physiological change".

see, this is my opinion, and i'm entitled to it; because i am thinking rational human being. i never said anyone had to agree or was stupid or lame or argumentative with what they didn't like.

actually it seems, I'M THE ONE being attacked here, this whole time... heck this thread is practically about me now, because of a few users that either "Don't like me, first of all" or that was taken back so by my comments that they feel like i was attacking them (when i wasn't) or being meandering (which talking about this shit is, but that's not why i'm here, see my first posts in this thread; i'm not talking about this shit) and they "don't like me" now, and wanna make this discussion about that... it's not... this discussion is about weed and the effects garnered a:from weed: and b:from people's disdain and/or gratitude towards weed.

this isn't about me, or Torkie or anyone personally, and i've never concluded that it was, not once in this entire thread.

although, with this post i am getting pretty close to it, because it's reaching levels of ridiculousness. (expected, sure, but boy lotta hate goin' round, over mere words; and non-threatening or offensive ones at that... just "posting styles" and opinions that people don't like and are getting taken back by, because "it's me that's making them heard".)

:shrug: pretty stupid, even of me; to think that this could have maybe not snowballed so much out of proportion, over me substituting someone's idea of what happened to them, with what i thought may have happened to them. LOL, that guy nor anyone else who doesn't want their story discussed, should try not posting about it on the internet where people generally will discuss anything. oh and long winded posts too... :cheers: *clink* i bet i can be more long winded then anyone around here (and arrogant too :wink: ) only, in this thread... this wasn't that.

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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19317278 - 12/23/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's not the fact that you gave your opinion on what may have happened that got anybody going, it's that you said it couldn't have happened the way he said it did.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19317290 - 12/23/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

when did i say that?

can you point it out to me?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19317328 - 12/23/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, because I'm not going to read all of those long winded posts to find it.
Whether you said those words or not, that's how it came across.

I'm not trying to argue anymore than you are. Just giving my opinions.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19317343 - 12/23/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Can't we all just  :blowjob:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19317379 - 12/23/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No, because I'm not going to read all of those long winded posts to find it.
Whether you said those words or not, that's how it came across.

I'm not trying to argue anymore than you are. Just giving my opinions.



fair enough, but i can tell you what i said, and i never said any amalgamation of the words "couldn't have been any other way".

so :shrug: i guess this is nipping it in the bud.

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Can't we all just  :blowjob:



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19317431 - 12/23/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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No, because I'm not going to read all of those long winded posts to find it.
Whether you said those words or not, that's how it came across.

I'm not trying to argue anymore than you are. Just giving my opinions.



fair enough, but i can tell you what i said, and i never said any amalgamation of the words "couldn't have been any other way".

so :shrug: i guess this is nipping it in the bud.

I didn't say you said it couldn't be any other way, I said you said it couldn't be the way he described.
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Can't we all just  :blowjob:



it's a sad state of affairs, dude.



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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19317473 - 12/23/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

actually, let me fetch what i did say to him, so we can really "nip this".


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I had a seizure on shrooms that i reckon was because i smoked too much weed. If i eat too much it feels like my heart is going to explode. I'm healing chronic fatigue atm, weed turns me into a emotionless psycho.

It ain't good for everyone. Naive thread. I used pretty much everyday for 17 years.



Naive thread? seems more like a naive post, by yourself.

you had a seizure because you smoked too much weed? why isn't anyone else having seizures...? why does Mushrooms exacerbate "symptoms of seizure" from weed; but not indicate any symptoms themselves of causing seizures? why only on Mushrooms does weed give you seizures?

it's more likely then anything that you got high, experienced a rush of serotonin or dopamine, (possibly from smoking the weed) and you "Thought" it was a seizure. or maybe you're already prone to seizures; maybe you should go see your doctor? you should if you're having seizures; tell him about your theory... he'll/she'll tell you about the fact of Cannabis increasing the seizure threshold in patients and it's why doctors sometimes prescribe weed as medication to people that suffer from convulsions.





where in this post did i say that it couldn't be the way he described?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19317507 - 12/23/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said, that's how you came across.

Not necessarily in that post, but in the many that followed..

You're obviously at least fairly intelligent, and you're probably an ok guy. Why don't we just put this discussion to bed? It's clearly going nowhere, we're all entitled to our opinions, and tbh its pretty pointless to continue bickering over the pros and cons of weed. It has both, we all know it.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19317520 - 12/23/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i agree. just i don't like having to defend myself over having an opinion on someone's post... if i came "across as a dick" then show me how, otherwise, how in the hell can i know what to avoid doing, or how to act?

that's the only reason why i find it fairly annoying, because no one (including you) is even explaining themselves. but whatever, i ain't trying to argue with you, and we can put this discussion to bed because we already established everything there is to say about this stuff; and we can both agree on that so...

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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19317552 - 12/23/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think you came across as a dick. I just felt like you were suggesting Torkie couldn't have experienced what he claimed to have experienced. I think that was the other users' concern as well. I'm not going to give you any suggestions on changing your posting style to avoid offending anyone because i don't think you do, or should, care if you offend anyone.
Nothing wrong with a discussion on differing opinions.

I'm glad we agree on that.


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Is this the part where you 2 have sex already?


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    #19317583 - 12/23/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Boy, i hope so.


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    #19317595 - 12/23/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:69:

^pics

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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: showme]
    #19319640 - 12/24/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not only telling me it couldn't be how i said it was, reinventing it in his own head then declaring he was right. Half of the reinventions were things that i already said. When i pointed that out he just moved on to something else.
This thread didn't need to be 9 pages of fucking shit. I've ignored him.

Thanks for trying to explain my side guys.


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    #19320310 - 12/24/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i never said anyone of those things. you're just being pissy. just because you didn't like where the discussion went, doesn't mean i was "telling you how to think or what happened to you" or any of that. if you'd read it again, you might be able to understand; considering i never once implied that you were "wrong" or "making up stuff" or anything.

get over it, son.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: underfliptown]
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Geez, what a noisy thread. Tiring to sift through all the rubbish. Anyhow...

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It ain't good for everyone. Naive thread.



QFT.

Personally, I think weed is a lot more powerful than it's often given credit for - that's across the whole positive/negative spectrum. It's also a complex drug, with much variation in the psychoactive profile across the various strains and growing practices. Then, if you start experimenting with the way you take it, like eating it or making hash etc., it can become a different beast for each scenario. Then there’s a swathe of personal factors which come into play which influence how it affects the user. So I think there's a huge scope for variation in intensity and character/content of weed trips, and it can be a big deal.

(Perhaps only by the uninitiated, but) I get the feeling it's often thought of lightly, in the sense that people take a few tokes, get the giggles and have funny ideas, and that's weed. Just a bit of fun. But weed goes way beyond that.

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To you weed isn't a big deal. For 4 years in which I smoked every day, weed wasn't a big deal. Since I've slowed my usage greatly while keeping up with psychedelics though, weed has taken a completely new form.. I learned weed has plasticity and can do many different things to you. I've had to give bud a 2 week break after it launched me back into the middle of a LSD trip I was on the day before. I can no longer smoke and study, smoke and socialize, smoke and then drink. So many things.. So I'm wary, as should everybody else who doesn't smoke daily anymore.

I don't care if people smoke daily, but it's just not for me anymore. I know this quote is usually attributed to harder psychedelics than weed but I think the quote "When you get the message, hang up the phone" is appropriate with bud. There's no point of me being high everyday anymore and so I smoke a couple times a week.. Don't try to make your subjective opinions applicable to everybody here



Agreed. I really love weed - it's one of my favourite things - but I find it really interferes with things that are more important to me so I take it pretty lightly these days. To mention a few major negative impacts for me: weed tends to make me over-think things, it makes me very passive, and it makes me (socially) anxious and damages my ability to socialise. I usually vapourise these days but when I smoked weed, it also fucked with my lungs and my breathing. I also think weed promotes thoughts and feelings of paranoia.

Obviously weed has some beautiful effects too, and the negative impacts I feel aren’t felt by everyone – I have friends who can smoke lots and function extremely well – but these bad effects are significant enough to have a major impact on someone’s life. So weed can definitely be a big deal.


I'm not even sure what the OP is trying to say other than he smokes a lot of weed and wants others to accept it or do the same, or basically just share his perception of weed...? But to say weed is not a big deal is simply not true. It’s like saying alcohol isn’t a big deal, whereas it’s obviously been a major factor in the ruining of many people’s lives.


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