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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19313003 - 12/22/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
Paranoia can lead to panic attacks/anxiety. Those do have physiological effects.

Sorry to tell you dude but your thought process isn't fully developed.



paranoia does not have physiological effects, but can lead to anxiety, WHICH CAN lead to physiological effects.

it's the order in which he describes his symptoms that's in question here, not whether or not being paranoid can lead to possible "events" which can cause a "physiological condition".

my thought process is complete and solid. you just think i'm questioning the wrong thing, i'm not, i'm not questioning whether paranoia can lead to anxiety, i'm questioning whether paranoia lead to a heart palpitation.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313009 - 12/22/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Where did i say i had palpitations ? You're really clutching at straws. I don't think i've ever seen anyone dig themselves so deep in an attempt to be right.

Thanks XLCaps, i didn't think i was the problem.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313041 - 12/22/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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akira_akuma said:
Quote:

XLCaps said:
Paranoia can lead to panic attacks/anxiety. Those do have physiological effects.

Sorry to tell you dude but your thought process isn't fully developed.



paranoia does not have physiological effects, but can lead to anxiety, WHICH CAN lead to physiological effects.

it's the order in which he describes his symptoms that's in question here, not whether or not being paranoid can lead to possible "events" which can cause a "physiological condition".

my thought process is complete and solid. you just think i'm questioning the wrong thing, i'm not, i'm not questioning whether paranoia can lead to anxiety, i'm questioning whether paranoia lead to a heart palpitation.



:thumbup:

You're trying way too hard here, and really not being convincing. You're not an expert on anything, we both know that. Stop trying to tell the dude things you aren't certain of.


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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: Mike_yy]
    #19313049 - 12/22/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no.

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i got a pain in my chest, it was nothing unusual, but it happened a second time and my mind just flipped




^ that's a heart palpitation

so you really don't know wtf you are talking about, even in reference to your own words. interesting.

PS: both regarding your HEART PALPITATIONS and your "seizure", BOTH are incompatible with your theory that it was caused by weed.

regardless of which placeholder you use for your story. (which ever story we're talking about at this point is irrelevant, cause they both have the same defunct hypothesis and the same outcome. it wasn't the weed.)

i'm not trying to tell you how to tell your stories, or trying to tell you that you're story is wrong. i could care less. what i am telling you, is what i've been saying all along, and that is that you cannot have either/or of those "medical conditions" from having smoked weed; NOR from Paranoia, or ANY COMBINATION of the two. nothing to do with "story telling". sorry.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313058 - 12/22/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You care too much. Go get high you little scamp, you.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313062 - 12/22/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I told you it was a muscle twinge. A palpitation is increased heartbeat. I was responding to a pain, palpitations don't hurt.
My last post on this, i need to sleep.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313075 - 12/22/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Chest pain can be caused by a number of things, not just heart palpitations.

Neither you, nor XLCaps knows what happened to him, as you weren't there.

I smoke weed multiple times daily, and nothing bad has ever come from it, but my body chemistry agrees with weed. Not everyone's does.
Weed can cause panic attacks, which can cause chest pain, and potentially seizures and/or heart attacks.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313093 - 12/22/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

STOP KILLING WEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:kingcrankey:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: seadragon]
    #19313108 - 12/22/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thinking hurts sometimes but I smoke weed and it's k


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19313118 - 12/22/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

using weed can be a big deal depending on your level of experience and how frequent a user you are. especially with how strong pot is these days. I had an acquaintance call 911 on himself in high school after he smoked weed for the first time because he thought he was dying.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313137 - 12/22/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
Quote:

XLCaps said:
Paranoia can lead to panic attacks/anxiety. Those do have physiological effects.

Sorry to tell you dude but your thought process isn't fully developed.



paranoia does not have physiological effects, but can lead to anxiety, WHICH CAN lead to physiological effects.

it's the order in which he describes his symptoms that's in question here, not whether or not being paranoid can lead to possible "events" which can cause a "physiological condition".

my thought process is complete and solid. you just think i'm questioning the wrong thing, i'm not, i'm not questioning whether paranoia can lead to anxiety, i'm questioning whether paranoia lead to a heart palpitation.



:thumbup:

You're trying way too hard here, and really not being convincing. You're not an expert on anything, we both know that. Stop trying to tell the dude things you aren't certain of.



i'm not certain of anything. though, to my understanding, paranoia cannot lead to heart palpitations and/or seizure without another underlying cause in tandem.

this is a well known fact on the difference between mental condition (psyche conditions) and physical conditions (physiological conditions)

not something up for questioning; as both terms for the conditions are completely separate from each other.

i'm not trying to tell anyone anything about themselves. NOTHING of the sort. just explaining the facts, is all. if you can't accept that, then that's fine. you can ignore me, or you can explain how i am wrong.
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Torkie said:
I told you it was a muscle twinge. A palpitation is increased heartbeat. I was responding to a pain, palpitations don't hurt.
My last post on this, i need to sleep.



that's what you TOLD ME later, not what you originally said. who said i wanted to argue with you about what you say in the future? i was and always was talking about what you originally said. your correction was duly noted, but you still can't say that a paranoid reaction to something is going to cause physiological medical conditions, without an underlying cause... you just can't. not without believing that "fear can literally kill, and heart break can stop your heart"; which can all be explained by physiological conditions and not mental ones. i'm done too, it seems i've made my point, no one has to agree with me, just thought i'd try considering how dumbshit simple this concept is.
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XLCaps said:
You care too much. Go get high you little scamp, you.



what should i care about? tell me.
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TopPmz said:

Weed can cause panic attacks, which can cause chest pain, and potentially seizures and/or heart attacks.




weed can cause UNDERLYING CONDITIONS to create a panic induced state, which can create physiological effects; such as eventual liver function, heart function, kidney function, brain function decline ect ect... and only with an underlying condition; otherwise it's just paranoia.

as you can see, plenty of things can cause panic attack and acute physiological effects from said panic attack; plenty of things that are NOT in the differential for "weed induced paranoia"

panic attack is a physiological response to stress, which is a physiological response to something in your environment or latent mental dis-ease.

NOT an acute response to "Dopamine, THC or any ensuing action from said drugs"; unless they are ingested at an inordinately high level dosage. (which Oxygen can do to: should we blame Oxygen when someone has a seizure or chest pain? no, we shouldn't.)


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: morrowasted]
    #19313157 - 12/22/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know a guy that mixed a shit load of tobacco in his bong bowls and he passed out once
tried it one time and I though it was gross I wouldn't use that bong 
no offence if any of you do that but it tastes really bad


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313158 - 12/22/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you get paid to post?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #19313162 - 12/22/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Weed. :thumbup:  :jah:  :potleaf:  :fbsnugs:


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: theRAPeutic] * 1
    #19313163 - 12/22/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You should care about your self image not matter on the internet or not. I'm not getting a good picture. What I meant is, you care way too much about being right.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19313170 - 12/22/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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tahp93 said:
Do you get paid to post?




no, i just have principles to uphold. i wish i didn't, trust me, i wish i could just live in a hut by my lonesome so i wouldn't have to deal with people and their lack of comprehension and their unwillingness to cope without ideological bargaining.

but i'm people, so... no, i don't get paid to post.
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XLCaps said:
You should care about your self image not matter on the internet or not. I'm not getting a good picture. What I meant is, you care way too much about being right.



i don't care about being right, or about being wrong. i can accept when i am wrong? can you?

my self image is just fine. why should i depend on you or anyone else for my self image? that's kinda backwards, isn't it?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19313200 - 12/22/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, underlying conditions is the root of the problem, but weed is what brought it out. Therefore, weed had a negative impact on him. That was the point of his story, whether he worded it perfectly or not.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313216 - 12/22/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ok there bud :thumbup:

You can cry on my shoulder, if you want.


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19313240 - 12/22/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Me?
What am I crying about?


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Re: Weed isn't a big deal [Re: TopPmz]
    #19313257 - 12/22/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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TopPmz said:
Yeah, underlying conditions is the root of the problem, but weed is what brought it out. Therefore, weed had a negative impact on him. That was the point of his story, whether he worded it perfectly or not.



weed didn't "bring it out for him" it "made him realize he had a crisis of good conscious and a possible underlying physical problem".

it didn't "make him or bring to him anything"; it wasn't a catalyst. he was on shrooms, he was in the presence of company and in an inert state, he probably (and i repeat) had an underlying problem; plenty of other catalysts other then weed... and those things can cause exacerbation of an underlying medical condition or paranoia/panic attack, or stress... while weed can only substantiate those previously mentioned (and attained) physiological effects; as it isn't nearly powerful enough of a physiological strain to denigrate your state of physiological distress; not without paranoia present already. (same thing can probably be said about Mushrooms too, but for the sake of the argument...)

the question here is "does Marijuana induce paranoia"; and the answer is "if it was already present, then obviously no..." paranoia is present even without the drug; so how can it be "because of the drug"?

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XLCaps said:
ok there bud :thumbup:

You can cry on my shoulder, if you want.



oh really now. nah, we can share our thoughts, and leave it at that.
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TopPmz said:
Me?
What am I crying about?



he's talking to me, because he thinks i "care to much about being right"... for all he knows, i might just like typing big long wordy posts.


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