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Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating?
    #19311422 - 12/22/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Trying to grow maitake mycelium on grain to cook, dry, and encapsulate, but running into issues.  When you put it on a sawdust block it grows fast, thick, and bright white, just tons of beautiful mycelium: (color looks off in the pic but it's bright white)



But on grain it's slow, weak, and lame overall.  This jar of brown rice has been sitting for over a month and doesn't thicken up at all.  I mean it still looks like it's mostly just undigested rice (maitake, on left).  Compare to the Cordyceps on the right.

 

Anyone know anything that can be added or done differently to get the maitake to look more like the Cordyceps?  If it can get thick on sawdust it's gotta be possible (it even climbs the walls of the bag!), maybe with an additive of some sort?  Any ideas appreciated.  I don't want to just be eating encapsulated brown rice.
I'm trying the obvious, growing it on a different grain (quinoa and millet) but it's painfully slow there as well, so I've yet to see if it will thicken up. :shrug:


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19311602 - 12/22/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what about adding some sawdust to the grains?


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: forrest]
    #19311695 - 12/22/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I could do that if I was doing an extraction and throwing away the marc, but here I'll be powdering the whole product, so I don't wanna be eating a bunch of sawdust! :puke: :lol:


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19311891 - 12/22/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Soak the grains in sawdust tea?


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19313319 - 12/22/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'd try another three or four grains grown side by side. Maybe Alohas has something with their choice of sorghum for eating capsule of mycelia. :shrug:


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19313373 - 12/22/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd try another three or four grains grown side by side. Maybe Alohas has something with their choice of sorghum for eating capsule of mycelia. :shrug:




Yep, in the process!  Hoping quinoa or millet will work better.  Millet is supposed to be similar enough to milo.  Damn sure ain't taking off quick though, been a week already and almost nothing on the millet, the quinoa looks like it might be colonizing.  Of course it's a lot easier to SEE on the quinoa so maybe there's growth on the millet too :shrug:  It's definitely not LOVING either of them though. 

Might actually try the sawdust tea idea if I can't get these grains to work, might be enough to give it whatever it likes so much.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19313954 - 12/22/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I mean, if that doesn't work out, seriously consider using a little sawdust... After all, the mycelium will digest the sawdust too.  Maybe add sawdust at 2-5%, that may be enough to encourage it to eat everything.  I just made up some jars of rye with 2% sawdust to try to get that sparassis radicata to thicken up the spawn.  It didn't seem to affect the moisture content of the grain too bad, and the jars smell really good too, like when we put in new wood floors.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #19317860 - 12/23/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I may have to :shrug:

Wonder if I could just put a layer on top or bottom... if only that part would be thick or it would strengthen the whole thing and then I could separate the wood?


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19397019 - 01/10/14 01:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey brother Forrester.
You may try to to pulverize the rice into smaller pieces.
Maybe not quite a to a flour stage, but perhaps similar particle sizes to the sawdust substrate it colonizs rapidly.
I know Maitake does prefer oak in the wild, so please do let me know how your experiments go if and when you supplement the rice with sawdust.

Does Maitake mycelium taste like the fruit?

Thanks for all of your posts. I have read some quite useful insights you have posted; particularly on Medicinals. Thanks brother!


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Group]
    #19397944 - 01/10/14 09:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sweet, I'm glad if I've been of help! 
My house is kind of cold, so I got a big styrofoam cooler and put all my incubating medicinals in there.  Without any source of heat (other than their own) they feel warm to the touch and have been growing a lot better. 
I think I'm going to abandon rice for maitake, it's been doing pretty decent lately on both millet and quinoa now that I insulated it.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19398551 - 01/10/14 11:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you could also try some other strain of Grifola, maybe your strain prefers growing on sawdust only?


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: solumvita]
    #19401481 - 01/10/14 10:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you could also try some other strain of Grifola, maybe your strain prefers growing on sawdust only?




I've been working with two different strains, and both act similar, so I don't think it's strain related.  I mean it could be, but I'm not gonna mess with another strain until I rule out everything else.  Got some higher temps, and working on more GE to see if that helps too.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19604876 - 02/22/14 03:59 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

Any update on this? I've got maitake on rye now and I'm not too impressed, fully colonized but still spotty and seemingly doesn't want to keep consuming the grain.  I'm anxious to switch to milo as per Aloha, for all my medicinals...


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: CuriousGeorge83]
    #19604921 - 02/22/14 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah rye was a bust, my rye jar sat there for like 2 months and didn't do much of anything so I tossed it.

It's been doing really well on a combination of millet and quinoa (just because I have a lot of quinoa).  Seems to work well on just millet too.  I haven't tried milo yet, haven't run across any but I'd like to.  Can't argue with Aloha's methods that's for sure!

Using an incubator and a bigger GE hole (like 3/8") also seems to have helped.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19605344 - 02/22/14 06:05 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

Awesome, def curious of using quinoa, I eat a shit ton of that regularly.  You think it has the same effect of being 90 something % consumable by mycelium like aloha says milo is?  Do you prep it just like rye?


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: CuriousGeorge83]
    #19606644 - 02/22/14 11:02 PM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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Awesome, def curious of using quinoa, I eat a shit ton of that regularly.  You think it has the same effect of being 90 something % consumable by mycelium like aloha says milo is?  Do you prep it just like rye?




I would imagine, it seems quite well digested by the time I powder it!

Same as rye?  no, I just drop a little quinoa in a lot of boiling water, turn off the heat and let it steep for 10min.

Strain and let steam NICE and dry and PC as usual :thumbup:


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: Forrester]
    #19607572 - 02/23/14 07:04 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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Trying to grow maitake mycelium on grain to cook, dry, and encapsulate




So I've never actually done this yet but am obviously very interested.  I've been making my own double extraction tinctures for years using dried fruit bodies, but want to switch to myceliated grains like this.  Been curious about alohas methods and also curious about anyone else who sells similar mycelial products. 

Do you know if aloha cooks the mycelium before drying like you're saying?  When reading the ingredients on other mycelium pills - they often say freeze dried mycelium grown on some sort of grain..  It's my understanding that without cooking the mycelium your body doesn't readily digest/absorb the beneficial compounds (similar to hot water extracts), right?  Or can you just grow out the mycelium on grain, let it colonize the shit out of it, dry and then powder?


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: CuriousGeorge83]
    #19607689 - 02/23/14 08:15 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

forrester, so my maitaki on rye also looks spotty. i wanna actually say its bacteria, but there is no "wet spot".  its just many of the grains pressed against the glass are not looking white, like ur first WBR jar, but it is colonizing normally (not stalling).  is that to be expected of maitaki on a less than ideal grain?  its my first jar of maitaki so i wasn't sure what to expect, another jar has been inoculated, but too little growth to tell if its the same "spotty" look.


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19607702 - 02/23/14 08:26 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

What are you growing it on?


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Re: Anyone grow maitake myc for encapsulating? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #19607739 - 02/23/14 08:44 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

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so my maitaki on rye also looks spotty. i wanna actually say its bacteria, but there is no "wet spot".  its just many of the grains pressed against the glass are not looking white




Do your jars happen to look like this?:



The top of the grain actually looks awesome but the bottom if the jar looks like this:



I too wonder if I have a little wet spot going on...regardless I'm not growing maitake on rye anymore.


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