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the republican meltdown
    #19310748 - 12/22/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So is this actually happening, or is the GOP simply about to jettison its more inconvenient members, such as John Boehner, in the wake of his outburst against the (contemporaneously) extreme elements of his party?

Is the "moderate" wing of the GOP simply chaff? Boehner looked right-wing as hell a few years ago, now he's a pussy.

I am absolutely devouring my popcorn in preparation for the 2014 elections. :popcorn:


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19311219 - 12/22/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

We'll see who wins the primaries.  The country's population is more conservative than liberal but neither party has been conservative for a long time.  One is just more bog government than the other.  When you're a hammer you think everything is a nail.  When you work in government you think government is desirable.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19311367 - 12/22/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I predict that the democrates will take over the house and keep the senate. America will become Obamaland for at 2 years.

The Republicans are in desperate need of a facelift. Of course they will keep there usual 20 states. But they will lose a lot in the blue states.

My prediction of course. There's always the Obamacare wild card that'll come in the play, but I suspects it'll only reinforce the 20 usual Republican states which will get there people elected 90% vs 10% instead of 75% vs 25%. So in the end it won't matter.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19311527 - 12/22/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We'll see who wins the primaries.  The country's population is more conservative than liberal but neither party has been conservative for a long time.  One is just more bog government than the other.  When you're a hammer you think everything is a nail.  When you work in government you think government is desirable.



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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19311555 - 12/22/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I predict that the democrates will take over the house and keep the senate. America will become Obamaland for at 2 years.

The Republicans are in desperate need of a facelift. Of course they will keep there usual 20 states. But they will lose a lot in the blue states.

My prediction of course. There's always the Obamacare wild card that'll come in the play, but I suspects it'll only reinforce the 20 usual Republican states which will get there people elected 90% vs 10% instead of 75% vs 25%. So in the end it won't matter.



You continue to relentlessly beclown yourself when you opine on matters of the US.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19311632 - 12/22/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Since this is an off-year, I would suspect that the republicans would gain a few seats, especially because of the Obamacare debacle.  Other than that, well its Washington DC--I expect most poly's up for reelection to move to the center and pretend that they are going to do something for the people since the name of the game is hold on to your POWER.  IN other words, business as usual

What has happened to the R party is that many of their members have been exposed as Big Government, Progressive RINO's.  Paul Ryan, Boehner, McCain, Mitch McConnell.  And the democrats have thier share of idiots also,ie Nancy Pelosi, Harry 'Roadblock' Reid, Maxine waters to name a few. 

It comes down a matter of what the two parties want to spend the money on.  The big corporations and Big Money give contributions to whoever they think will provide the most pork for their particular industry, and they give strategic contributions to whoever they think has the odds of winning so when it comes time to slice up the pork and load the trough, they won't be forgotten. 

The biggest difference between the two sides is that the D's throw a bigger bone to the low income people to keep the good little puppy dogs wagging their tails and pulling the 'D' lever.  Other than that I can't see much of a difference, it's all horeshit rhetoric.

The best thing that could happen would be to gut both parties of the old guard and start with new, young, fresh technocrats with good ideas, ideally ones who value things like states rights, individual liberties, and more EFFICIENT government.

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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19311638 - 12/22/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
I predict that the democrates will take over the house and keep the senate. America will become Obamaland for at 2 years.

The Republicans are in desperate need of a facelift. Of course they will keep there usual 20 states. But they will lose a lot in the blue states.

My prediction of course. There's always the Obamacare wild card that'll come in the play, but I suspects it'll only reinforce the 20 usual Republican states which will get there people elected 90% vs 10% instead of 75% vs 25%. So in the end it won't matter.



You continue to relentlessly beclown yourself when you opine on matters of the US.




There are more republicans in the house that won't be running again/retiring than there are Democrats. It might affect the results a little. It'll depend on how pissed off people are at either Obamacare or at the Republican party's paralyzing the house.

It's gonna be a very close race but the democrats still have a slight edge in the polls

Beclowning myself... I know more about US politics than most Americans. Plus an opinion can't hurt anybody

EDIT: Plus!!!! The Obamacare website is fucked up, BUT! the program will in fact save billions of dollars! (alright, now I'm making a clown of myself)


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19311963 - 12/22/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
I predict that the democrates will take over the house and keep the senate. America will become Obamaland for at 2 years.

The Republicans are in desperate need of a facelift. Of course they will keep there usual 20 states. But they will lose a lot in the blue states.

My prediction of course. There's always the Obamacare wild card that'll come in the play, but I suspects it'll only reinforce the 20 usual Republican states which will get there people elected 90% vs 10% instead of 75% vs 25%. So in the end it won't matter.



You continue to relentlessly be clown yourself when you opine on matters of the US.





Damn Zap I have to agree with again.

House stays pub, Senate is a tossup.

But disagree that the country is more conservative



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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19311969 - 12/22/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Beclowning myself... I know more about US politics than most Americans. Plus an opinion can't hurt anybody





That's not a very high bar to clear


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19312038 - 12/22/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Beclowning myself... I know more about US politics than most Americans. Plus an opinion can't hurt anybody





That's not a very high bar to clear




It's a shame really. Somewhere during high school, kids should learned the basics (not sure if you guys have that down there). Here the system isn't taught in school at all. It's up to you to learn how it works...


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19312231 - 12/22/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I had it, but was a long time ago, no telling what's happening now.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19312426 - 12/22/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It has nothing to do with school.  They were taught current events.  They stopped when they left.  Your education shouldn't end there but it does for most people except as it directly relates to their employment.

The populace of the country is definitely less liberal than the politicians.

I;m going to put a noted edit here.  The populace is less fiscally liberal than the government. 


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19312480 - 12/22/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

But a kid needs to be exposed to the process, school just gives you the basics unless you do something else with it you're going nowhere.

So what's your proof that, "The populace of the country is definitely less liberal than the politicians, (fiscally).


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19314488 - 12/23/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19314908 - 12/23/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Since this is an off-year, I would suspect that the republicans would gain a few seats, especially because of the Obamacare debacle.  Other than that, well its Washington DC--I expect most poly's up for reelection to move to the center and pretend that they are going to do something for the people since the name of the game is hold on to your POWER.  IN other words, business as usual

What has happened to the R party is that many of their members have been exposed as Big Government, Progressive RINO's.  Paul Ryan, Boehner, McCain, Mitch McConnell.  And the democrats have thier share of idiots also,ie Nancy Pelosi, Harry 'Roadblock' Reid, Maxine waters to name a few. 

It comes down a matter of what the two parties want to spend the money on.  The big corporations and Big Money give contributions to whoever they think will provide the most pork for their particular industry, and they give strategic contributions to whoever they think has the odds of winning so when it comes time to slice up the pork and load the trough, they won't be forgotten. 

The biggest difference between the two sides is that the D's throw a bigger bone to the low income people to keep the good little puppy dogs wagging their tails and pulling the 'D' lever.  Other than that I can't see much of a difference, it's all horeshit rhetoric.

The best thing that could happen would be to gut both parties of the old guard and start with new, young, fresh technocrats with good ideas, ideally ones who value things like states rights, individual liberties, and more EFFICIENT government.

As if.





that sounds relatively accurate.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19314910 - 12/23/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





Agree


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19314941 - 12/23/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





In your closed mind world.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19314973 - 12/23/13 06:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What a stunningly articulate and well thought out response.

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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19315180 - 12/23/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





In your closed mind world.




Very true. There are more than one way to make a society function. As long as it is well organized and understood, practically any form of government could succeed. Some will have greater success than others but they could all potentially function


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19315464 - 12/23/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





In your closed mind world.




Very true. There are more than one way to make a society function. As long as it is well organized and understood, practically any form of government could succeed. Some will have greater success than others but they could all potentially function




Without fiscal conservatism one cannot fund a govt.  That's been proven throughout history.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19315694 - 12/23/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





In your closed mind world.




Very true. There are more than one way to make a society function. As long as it is well organized and understood, practically any form of government could succeed. Some will have greater success than others but they could all potentially function



you cannot run any sort of sustainable household, government, business, non-profitc, etc, etc, etc. Without handling your money responsibly. Why is that such a hard concept to understand :doublefacepalm:


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19315702 - 12/23/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The country is not "more conservative"

Although poor conservatives do show up on midterms. Where the fuck do you come up with these ridiculous statements?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19315707 - 12/23/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
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sweeper54 said:
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any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





In your closed mind world.




Very true. There are more than one way to make a society function. As long as it is well organized and understood, practically any form of government could succeed. Some will have greater success than others but they could all potentially function



you cannot run any sort of sustainable household, government, business, non-profitc, etc, etc, etc. Without handling your money responsibly. Why is that such a hard concept to understand :doublefacepalm:




Where did I mention that the government would squander it's money everywhere? There's a certain level of intelligence required.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19315725 - 12/23/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

being financially conservative simply means you are frugal and responsible with your money. I know you've been brainwashed to be afraid of the word conservative, but try to leave emotions at the door. Fiscally conservative does not have anything to do with politics, the biggest democrats if responsible should be conservative with their own finances and the countries.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19315742 - 12/23/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Being financially conservative means you support the ruling elite getting richer and the poor staying poor. For thousands of years this has been the basic struggle. Conservative is a dirty fucking word. Especially when you're poor.

Have you never taken a fucking history class?

And if you think you live with more thrift than the average liberal you're nuts. Again Conservatives are all about spend and consume not reuse and recycle.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Icelander]
    #19315744 - 12/23/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think most people favor less government spending/taxing; a lot less. There is no consensus on what to cut, and what we should spend on.

    I don't see any important changes in the off year election. GOP may gain some senate seats but not a majority. Same old thing. Divided government and not much getting done.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19315747 - 12/23/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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being financially conservative simply means you are frugal and responsible with your money. I know you've been brainwashed to be afraid of the word conservative, but try to leave emotions at the door. Fiscally conservative does not have anything to do with politics, the biggest democrats if responsible should be conservative with their own finances and the countries.




I am for fiscal conservatism, always were. But I am able to look at the other side of the coin and understand that it can also work. Look at Sweden, some people get taxed 60% and they have a big government, the country is doing very well. Look at Russia, 13% tax, one of the lowest in the world, shitty country.

It's how you manage your system that makes the real difference.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Juicin]
    #19315811 - 12/23/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Being financially conservative means you support the ruling elite getting richer and the poor staying poor. For thousands of years this has been the basic struggle. Conservative is a dirty fucking word. Especially when you're poor.

Have you never taken a fucking history class?

And if you think you live with more thrift than the average liberal you're nuts. Again Conservatives are all about spend and consume not reuse and recycle.



reading comprehension is not your strong suite is it? If you actually read my post i said it has nothing to do with politics, check your emotional baggage at the door. Being frugal and responsible with your money has nothing to do with politics


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19315829 - 12/23/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fiscally "conservative" in the sense you seem to mean it doesn't exist

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/conservative

"the old way" is not thrift, lol

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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Juicin]
    #19316038 - 12/23/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

this has nothing to do with 'the old way'
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservative


con·ser·va·tive

marked by moderation or caution

stop injecting politics where it doesn't exist.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19316496 - 12/23/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you cannot run any sort of sustainable household, government, business, non-profitc, etc, etc, etc. Without handling your money responsibly.






For most of us, you can't run any of those with debt, and when the rich don't trickle it down then government has to step in and spend money.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19316518 - 12/23/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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being financially conservative simply means you are frugal and responsible with your money.





And WHERE would we look to find an example of the right doing this?


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19316605 - 12/23/13 03:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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being financially conservative simply means you are frugal and responsible with your money.





And WHERE would we look to find an example of the right doing this?



i already stated this has nothing to do with politics. The republicans are just as bad as the democrats with useless and irresponsible spending. Stop injecting politics into this where it doesn't exist. I am meaning conservative relating to the definition i posted above, the conservative wing is just as bad as the progressive.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19316612 - 12/23/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fiscal conservativism is that intelligence you speak of. :satansmoking:


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19316615 - 12/23/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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being financially conservative simply means you are frugal and responsible with your money.





And WHERE would we look to find an example of the right doing this?




Canada for one. The conservative party has done a great job with the economy and lowered tax


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19316617 - 12/23/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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being financially conservative simply means you are frugal and responsible with your money.





And WHERE would we look to find an example of the right doing this?



i already stated this has nothing to do with politics. The republicans are just as bad as the democrats with useless and irresponsible spending. Stop injecting politics into this where it doesn't exist. I am meaning conservative relating to the definition i posted above, the conservative wing is just as bad as the progressive.



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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19316744 - 12/23/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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being financially conservative simply means you are frugal and responsible with your money.





And WHERE would we look to find an example of the right doing this?




Canada for one. The conservative party has done a great job with the economy and lowered tax





Good for you, but there is too much money down here floating around from the lobbyists to the government these people can scream all they want about conservative values but until they get the money out of politics they will never see a conservative budget.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19316810 - 12/23/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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But a kid needs to be exposed to the process, school just gives you the basics unless you do something else with it you're going nowhere.

So what's your proof that, "The populace of the country is definitely less liberal than the politicians, (fiscally).




http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Juicin]
    #19316824 - 12/23/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The country is not "more conservative"

Although poor conservatives do show up on midterms. Where the fuck do you come up with these ridiculous statements?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx



http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx

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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Juicin]
    #19316847 - 12/23/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Being financially conservative means you support the ruling elite getting richer and the poor staying poor. For thousands of years this has been the basic struggle. Conservative is a dirty fucking word. Especially when you're poor.

Have you never taken a fucking history class?

And if you think you live with more thrift than the average liberal you're nuts. Again Conservatives are all about spend and consume not reuse and recycle.



This is, of course, bullshit.  Tell me how conservative the communists who ran the USSR into nonexistence were.  The conservatives are about spend your own money on what you want.  Liberals are about spending other people's money on shit they want.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19317124 - 12/23/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You think the USSR was a classless society?

lol


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19317158 - 12/23/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you understand what the fracitonal reserve system is?

Do you understand how to make money in this country?

I assumed you meant the old way because moderation in debt for countries and people is clearly ridiculous if you're getting a good rate. Look at the japanese. Or us. Inflation is non existant here


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19317177 - 12/23/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Being financially conservative means you support the ruling elite getting richer and the poor staying poor. For thousands of years this has been the basic struggle. Conservative is a dirty fucking word. Especially when you're poor.

Have you never taken a fucking history class?

And if you think you live with more thrift than the average liberal you're nuts. Again Conservatives are all about spend and consume not reuse and recycle.



This is, of course, bullshit.  Tell me how conservative the communists who ran the USSR into nonexistence were.  The conservatives are about spend your own money on what you want.  Liberals are about spending other people's money on shit they want.




Are you blind?

That's 3 years old and doesn't mean anything. Just because droves of poor christians identify themselves as "conservatives" doesn't mean they are voting on fiscal issues.

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DO you even leave your house? This was better than "99 percent of lawyers do it for their country"


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Juicin]
    #19317392 - 12/23/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You think the USSR was a classless society?

lol



No.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Juicin]
    #19317398 - 12/23/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you understand what the fracitonal reserve system is?




Yes
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Do you understand how to make money in this country?




Yes
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I assumed you meant the old way because moderation in debt for countries and people is clearly ridiculous if you're getting a good rate. Look at the japanese. Or us. Inflation is non existant here


So?


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19317424 - 12/23/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Juicin said:
Being financially conservative means you support the ruling elite getting richer and the poor staying poor. For thousands of years this has been the basic struggle. Conservative is a dirty fucking word. Especially when you're poor.

Have you never taken a fucking history class?

And if you think you live with more thrift than the average liberal you're nuts. Again Conservatives are all about spend and consume not reuse and recycle.



This is, of course, bullshit.  Tell me how conservative the communists who ran the USSR into nonexistence were.  The conservatives are about spend your own money on what you want.  Liberals are about spending other people's money on shit they want.




Are you blind?

That's 3 years old and doesn't mean anything. Just because droves of poor christians identify themselves as "conservatives" doesn't mean they are voting on fiscal issues.

:lol:

DO you even leave your house? This was better than "99 percent of lawyers do it for their country"




What are you talking about, flowie?  What's 3 years old and what ass did you pull that 99% of lawyers shit from?


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19318647 - 12/23/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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For most of us, you can't run any of those with debt, and when the rich don't trickle it down then government has to step in and spend money.





And the politicians that are almost all rich don't 'trickle it down' but they trickle enough of it to themselves and to their buddies in industry that they are going to be shitting in high cotton for the rest of their lives.

Then they trickle a tiny bit of the money to the good little puppy dogs who wag their tails and beg on their hind legs awaiting another bone thrown from their masters.


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