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the republican meltdown
    #19310748 - 12/22/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So is this actually happening, or is the GOP simply about to jettison its more inconvenient members, such as John Boehner, in the wake of his outburst against the (contemporaneously) extreme elements of his party?

Is the "moderate" wing of the GOP simply chaff? Boehner looked right-wing as hell a few years ago, now he's a pussy.

I am absolutely devouring my popcorn in preparation for the 2014 elections. :popcorn:


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19311219 - 12/22/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We'll see who wins the primaries.  The country's population is more conservative than liberal but neither party has been conservative for a long time.  One is just more bog government than the other.  When you're a hammer you think everything is a nail.  When you work in government you think government is desirable.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19311367 - 12/22/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I predict that the democrates will take over the house and keep the senate. America will become Obamaland for at 2 years.

The Republicans are in desperate need of a facelift. Of course they will keep there usual 20 states. But they will lose a lot in the blue states.

My prediction of course. There's always the Obamacare wild card that'll come in the play, but I suspects it'll only reinforce the 20 usual Republican states which will get there people elected 90% vs 10% instead of 75% vs 25%. So in the end it won't matter.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19311527 - 12/22/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
We'll see who wins the primaries.  The country's population is more conservative than liberal but neither party has been conservative for a long time.  One is just more bog government than the other.  When you're a hammer you think everything is a nail.  When you work in government you think government is desirable.



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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19311555 - 12/22/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I predict that the democrates will take over the house and keep the senate. America will become Obamaland for at 2 years.

The Republicans are in desperate need of a facelift. Of course they will keep there usual 20 states. But they will lose a lot in the blue states.

My prediction of course. There's always the Obamacare wild card that'll come in the play, but I suspects it'll only reinforce the 20 usual Republican states which will get there people elected 90% vs 10% instead of 75% vs 25%. So in the end it won't matter.



You continue to relentlessly beclown yourself when you opine on matters of the US.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #19311632 - 12/22/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Since this is an off-year, I would suspect that the republicans would gain a few seats, especially because of the Obamacare debacle.  Other than that, well its Washington DC--I expect most poly's up for reelection to move to the center and pretend that they are going to do something for the people since the name of the game is hold on to your POWER.  IN other words, business as usual

What has happened to the R party is that many of their members have been exposed as Big Government, Progressive RINO's.  Paul Ryan, Boehner, McCain, Mitch McConnell.  And the democrats have thier share of idiots also,ie Nancy Pelosi, Harry 'Roadblock' Reid, Maxine waters to name a few. 

It comes down a matter of what the two parties want to spend the money on.  The big corporations and Big Money give contributions to whoever they think will provide the most pork for their particular industry, and they give strategic contributions to whoever they think has the odds of winning so when it comes time to slice up the pork and load the trough, they won't be forgotten. 

The biggest difference between the two sides is that the D's throw a bigger bone to the low income people to keep the good little puppy dogs wagging their tails and pulling the 'D' lever.  Other than that I can't see much of a difference, it's all horeshit rhetoric.

The best thing that could happen would be to gut both parties of the old guard and start with new, young, fresh technocrats with good ideas, ideally ones who value things like states rights, individual liberties, and more EFFICIENT government.

As if.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19311638 - 12/22/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Patlal said:
I predict that the democrates will take over the house and keep the senate. America will become Obamaland for at 2 years.

The Republicans are in desperate need of a facelift. Of course they will keep there usual 20 states. But they will lose a lot in the blue states.

My prediction of course. There's always the Obamacare wild card that'll come in the play, but I suspects it'll only reinforce the 20 usual Republican states which will get there people elected 90% vs 10% instead of 75% vs 25%. So in the end it won't matter.



You continue to relentlessly beclown yourself when you opine on matters of the US.




There are more republicans in the house that won't be running again/retiring than there are Democrats. It might affect the results a little. It'll depend on how pissed off people are at either Obamacare or at the Republican party's paralyzing the house.

It's gonna be a very close race but the democrats still have a slight edge in the polls

Beclowning myself... I know more about US politics than most Americans. Plus an opinion can't hurt anybody

EDIT: Plus!!!! The Obamacare website is fucked up, BUT! the program will in fact save billions of dollars! (alright, now I'm making a clown of myself)


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19311963 - 12/22/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
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Patlal said:
I predict that the democrates will take over the house and keep the senate. America will become Obamaland for at 2 years.

The Republicans are in desperate need of a facelift. Of course they will keep there usual 20 states. But they will lose a lot in the blue states.

My prediction of course. There's always the Obamacare wild card that'll come in the play, but I suspects it'll only reinforce the 20 usual Republican states which will get there people elected 90% vs 10% instead of 75% vs 25%. So in the end it won't matter.



You continue to relentlessly be clown yourself when you opine on matters of the US.





Damn Zap I have to agree with again.

House stays pub, Senate is a tossup.

But disagree that the country is more conservative



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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19311969 - 12/22/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Beclowning myself... I know more about US politics than most Americans. Plus an opinion can't hurt anybody





That's not a very high bar to clear


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19312038 - 12/22/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Beclowning myself... I know more about US politics than most Americans. Plus an opinion can't hurt anybody





That's not a very high bar to clear




It's a shame really. Somewhere during high school, kids should learned the basics (not sure if you guys have that down there). Here the system isn't taught in school at all. It's up to you to learn how it works...


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19312231 - 12/22/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I had it, but was a long time ago, no telling what's happening now.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19312426 - 12/22/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It has nothing to do with school.  They were taught current events.  They stopped when they left.  Your education shouldn't end there but it does for most people except as it directly relates to their employment.

The populace of the country is definitely less liberal than the politicians.

I;m going to put a noted edit here.  The populace is less fiscally liberal than the government. 


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19312480 - 12/22/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

But a kid needs to be exposed to the process, school just gives you the basics unless you do something else with it you're going nowhere.

So what's your proof that, "The populace of the country is definitely less liberal than the politicians, (fiscally).


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19314488 - 12/23/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19314908 - 12/23/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
Since this is an off-year, I would suspect that the republicans would gain a few seats, especially because of the Obamacare debacle.  Other than that, well its Washington DC--I expect most poly's up for reelection to move to the center and pretend that they are going to do something for the people since the name of the game is hold on to your POWER.  IN other words, business as usual

What has happened to the R party is that many of their members have been exposed as Big Government, Progressive RINO's.  Paul Ryan, Boehner, McCain, Mitch McConnell.  And the democrats have thier share of idiots also,ie Nancy Pelosi, Harry 'Roadblock' Reid, Maxine waters to name a few. 

It comes down a matter of what the two parties want to spend the money on.  The big corporations and Big Money give contributions to whoever they think will provide the most pork for their particular industry, and they give strategic contributions to whoever they think has the odds of winning so when it comes time to slice up the pork and load the trough, they won't be forgotten. 

The biggest difference between the two sides is that the D's throw a bigger bone to the low income people to keep the good little puppy dogs wagging their tails and pulling the 'D' lever.  Other than that I can't see much of a difference, it's all horeshit rhetoric.

The best thing that could happen would be to gut both parties of the old guard and start with new, young, fresh technocrats with good ideas, ideally ones who value things like states rights, individual liberties, and more EFFICIENT government.

As if.





that sounds relatively accurate.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19314910 - 12/23/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





Agree


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: psyconaught]
    #19314941 - 12/23/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





In your closed mind world.


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19314973 - 12/23/13 06:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What a stunningly articulate and well thought out response.

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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: sweeper54]
    #19315180 - 12/23/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
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psyconaught said:
any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





In your closed mind world.




Very true. There are more than one way to make a society function. As long as it is well organized and understood, practically any form of government could succeed. Some will have greater success than others but they could all potentially function


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Re: the republican meltdown [Re: Patlal]
    #19315464 - 12/23/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Patlal said:
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sweeper54 said:
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psyconaught said:
any sane human being should be fiscally conservative. To think otherwise makes you insane, irresponsible, and not fit to be running any sort of house hold or organization.





In your closed mind world.




Very true. There are more than one way to make a society function. As long as it is well organized and understood, practically any form of government could succeed. Some will have greater success than others but they could all potentially function




Without fiscal conservatism one cannot fund a govt.  That's been proven throughout history.


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