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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: starfire_xes]
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Yea, because everyone on this site likes the government. 
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: zappaisgod]
#19345749 - 12/30/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If I reach the maximum allowable wage by the end of February I will stop working. Have a good time finding somebody who can take my place.
You swear there aren't tons. And I'm not a believer in maximum wage so much as maximum area. Perhaps a cell phone provider shouldn't cover more then 10 states. How then will the other 40 states be covered? By other cell phone providers who step in to fill the gaps. I don't see anything wrong with that personally. How does the government enforce "no monopolizing" anyway? I have no idea how they would even consider enforcing that, if they ever have
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: starfire_xes]
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Why the fuck would any of you care about a maximum wage? it wouldn’t effect you thats for damn sure. Ya maybe if you keep voting against your own interests some day you’ll get lucky and strike the lottery.
WHY the fuck do you care if a company pays its CEO 10 million dollars? It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. 
It is when they made more money then anyone else could fathom, then need a bail out. I feel it's completely my business. Every single penny of taxes I don't get back should not go back into the pocket of a guy who is already richer then possibly imaginable
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: imachavel]
#19345802 - 12/30/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why the fuck would any of you care about a maximum wage? it wouldn’t effect you thats for damn sure. Ya maybe if you keep voting against your own interests some day you’ll get lucky and strike the lottery.
WHY the fuck do you care if a company pays its CEO 10 million dollars? It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. 
It is when they made more money then anyone else could fathom, then need a bail out. I feel it's completely my business. Every single penny of taxes I don't get back should not go back into the pocket of a guy who is already richer then possibly imaginable
for once a partially agree with you. The bailouts should not have happened. The banks and auto industry should have failed, and the higher ups all should have lost their jobs. However the simple fact of a CEO making millions of dollars a year (outside of the bailouts) should be none of your business whatsoever.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: psyconaught]
#19345838 - 12/30/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why the fuck would any of you care about a maximum wage? it wouldn’t effect you thats for damn sure. Ya maybe if you keep voting against your own interests some day you’ll get lucky and strike the lottery.
WHY the fuck do you care if a company pays its CEO 10 million dollars? It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. 
It is when they made more money then anyone else could fathom, then need a bail out. I feel it's completely my business. Every single penny of taxes I don't get back should not go back into the pocket of a guy who is already richer then possibly imaginable
for once a partially agree with you. The bailouts should not have happened. The banks and auto industry should have failed, and the higher ups all should have lost their jobs. However the simple fact of a CEO making millions of dollars a year (outside of the bailouts) should be none of your business whatsoever.
Me making $8 an hour instead of $7 should be none of your business. why do people even come close to calling this Republic a Democracy? There is no "general consensus" voted on in this god damn country. It's really sad I find people that want to own a business and don't want to pay $8 instead of $7 should go start a business in another country with more lenient wage laws and see how easy it is to run a business in Brazil.
I mean cmon already. Why is it your business how much a millionaire makes but not mine? It's none of your damn business either. It's not your hundred million, let them and the government duke it out, quit being nosey
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: imachavel]
#19346084 - 12/30/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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its none of my business how much you make per hour. If you can negotiate higher wages with you employer then good for you. However when the government dictates what i can or cannot pay my employees then it becomes my business. Why do you care what i pay my people? You're right its none of my business how much a CEO makes, nor is it your business, nor the governments. You call me nosey yet you are the one calling for a microscope up someones ass simply because they are more successful than you.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: psyconaught]
#19346335 - 12/30/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psyconaught said: its none of my business how much you make per hour. If you can negotiate higher wages with you employer then good for you. However when the government dictates what i can or cannot pay my employees then it becomes my business. Why do you care what i pay my people? You're right its none of my business how much a CEO makes, nor is it your business, nor the governments. You call me nosey yet you are the one calling for a microscope up someones ass simply because they are more successful than you.
They are more successful then me? On what basis? That I have an account on this site? If people could negotiate wages with employers more, things would be easier. The fact is in this country there is something called a corporate mentality. A person who is employed is usually employed by a manager WAAAAYYYY down the line. This manager cannot authorize what he can and can't pay someone because it's not his decision, those decisions have to go waayyy up the ladder, and there is usually a general consensus on what corporations allow managers to give raises to employees.
Most corporations are all about cutting costs anyways, the less people a manager has to hire to get a job done, the larger his bonus. I mean, if labourers had an INCENTIVE to work harder and make more, that'd be nice. But you and me both know how corporations work, buy for $1 and sell for $100 if possible. I'd know, I used to sell time shares. I made a 5% commission which wasn't terrible, but the fact is the time shares themselves could have made the corporations TONS OF cash just each person using the time share paying an $800 a year maintenance fee just for that one unit for one week. The added cost of buying was also RIDICULOUS. The other employees who weren't in sales who weren't making commission like me? Know what they got? $7 an hour, and some had been there practically their whole life and were maybe up to $9 an hour or $10 an hour.
Your plausibilities of how much harder it's MOST likely going to be to run a business paying an increase in wages compared to how much more money consumers will be able to spend to me is ridiculous. Most small businesses don't sell SUPER EXPENSIVE THINGS anyway. Have you heard of a guy with a car dealership that started the car dealership with only a few thousand dollars? Ridiculous. Corporations have already been CASHING IN on what someone is WILLING to buy something for and not what is REASONABLE what so ever.
So capitalism then is more like survival of the fittest. It's not about rational or well thought out it's about "we will sell that shit for millions if someone will buy it for millions." It's survival of the fittest. Well the small business guy is living in a world of survival of the fittest. That's just how it is. You start a business that depends on TONS of employees you better be prepared for wage raise laws. This isn't about "fair." It's about "you don't want politicians raising the wages" then really you should have influenced more people to go vote for someone besides Obama who wouldn't push for wage raise laws.
I personally hate Obama, but I'm finding it fun that every person who is against raising wages is now retorting to me as "a liberal attitude person" as though they have nothing better at all to throw at me. This is a tired argument. I find that Obama is probably pushing for a wage increase based on his popularity and what people want. Even though he can't get another term, I doubt he could care less what people make or not. He is simply fighting a war with congress, and all his fellow liberals are analyzing that wage raises would probably produce more taxes, and he is opposing Republicans. And maybe they got this one right. It's harder for a guy making $10 an hour to go take his cash out of the country and loop hole the crap out of tax laws then it is for a billionaire.
If I was a politician and I depended on taxes? Man.... I'd be doing the same thing. Half those billionaires have dozens of Swiss bank accounts they launder their money into. Or even easier, "offshore investments." Now the money being taxed will be the dinner bucket accounts, no way to loop hole out of that. Good thinking Obama, for once I agree with you. And to be personally honest I think most employers should pay employees $100 a day, MUCH more then your $10.10 x 8 hours equals out to be. So for me to agree that these wage increase will hurt anyone, you'll have to show me some actual facts, hard solid evidence, that many businesses have in fact filed for eventual bankruptcy based on wage increases and that this country would be MUCH better off with lower wages.
And to be honest, it's easier for people to cut hours of employees anyway. You have 3 or 4 people at your business for the first 4 hours of the day, then most of the work is done, you let 1 or 2 or them go, and only keep another one or two for the rest of the day. I've seen to much down sizing based on fabricated reasons to cut employees down to actually sit here and swallow that this proposal which probably won't even be met will have any real serious impact on our economy. It's an inconvenience and hey that's how it is in a survival of the fittest market, you just have to deal with it. If you don't like it create a petition but I know I'm not signing it that's for sure.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: imachavel]
#19346515 - 12/30/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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IMO it is kind of good idea look at some of the people who are CEO's ,some may not be evil but look at these http://listverse.com/2012/07/23/top-10-evil-businessmen/ robert rubin perhaps could have been a major cause in both sides of the collapse. Some people seem to have some mental problem where it's never enough ,most people want a better life but when is enough enough?and who needs 80million a year??(that has nothing to do with how successfully a business is) How company's treat employees is complete bullshit like the Deborah shank story. if the law is on the side of stuff like that happening we should definitely cut their rich asses off .I don't believe many companies or CEO's really care about anyone their goal as a company is $$ and saying they are a person is just crazy talk .That would be one psychotic scary person!!!
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: lighthouse09]
#19346976 - 12/30/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Imacheval, why don't you work on commission? Start your own company doing whatever then you can pay yourself whatever you want (LOL) and not worry about negotiating pay.
Day laborers here make $100 a day plus lunch and transportation. Sounds like an upgrade for you and elax.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: lighthouse09]
#19346989 - 12/30/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lighthouse09 said: IMO it is kind of good idea look at some of the people who are CEO's ,some may not be evil but look at these http://listverse.com/2012/07/23/top-10-evil-businessmen/ robert rubin perhaps could have been a major cause in both sides of the collapse. Some people seem to have some mental problem where it's never enough ,most people want a better life but when is enough enough?and who needs 80million a year??(that has nothing to do with how successfully a business is) How company's treat employees is complete bullshit like the Deborah shank story. if the law is on the side of stuff like that happening we should definitely cut their rich asses off .I don't believe many companies or CEO's really care about anyone their goal as a company is $$ and saying they are a person is just crazy talk .That would be one psychotic scary person!!!
They care about their shareholders which is who they have a legally required allegiance to. Their employees? None at all.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: imachavel]
#19347281 - 12/30/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They care about their shareholders which is who they have a legally required allegiance to. Their employees? None at all.
Oh you and your remedial understanding and constant parading of a deeper understand of business is pretty funny.
You know there is this little startup you may have never heard of that really made employee satisfaction a point of emphasis. but they are really small and insignificant
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Why the fuck would any of you care about a maximum wage? it wouldn’t effect you thats for damn sure. Ya maybe if you keep voting against your own interests some day you’ll get lucky and strike the lottery.
WHY the fuck do you care if a company pays its CEO 10 million dollars? It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. 
It is when they made more money then anyone else could fathom, then need a bail out. I feel it's completely my business. Every single penny of taxes I don't get back should not go back into the pocket of a guy who is already richer then possibly imaginable
at least one person here can agree that guys getting paid stupid amounts of money, on which they pay no taxes is a little hairy. The funny thing is yall keep bitching about cronyism and patronage, irony much
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
#19347314 - 12/30/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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google has no legal obligation to care about their employees in the same manner that they care about their shareholders.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
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They care about their shareholders which is who they have a legally required allegiance to. Their employees? None at all.
Oh you and your remedial understanding and constant parading of a deeper understand of business is pretty funny.
You know there is this little startup you may have never heard of that really made employee satisfaction a point of emphasis. but they are really small and insignificant

If they want to pay their employees more money that is their business. I don't give a shit. How much did their CEO make, anyway?
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Why the fuck would any of you care about a maximum wage? it wouldn’t effect you thats for damn sure. Ya maybe if you keep voting against your own interests some day you’ll get lucky and strike the lottery.
WHY the fuck do you care if a company pays its CEO 10 million dollars? It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. 
It is when they made more money then anyone else could fathom, then need a bail out. I feel it's completely my business. Every single penny of taxes I don't get back should not go back into the pocket of a guy who is already richer then possibly imaginable
at least one person here can agree that guys getting paid stupid amounts of money, on which they pay no taxes is a little hairy. The funny thing is yall keep bitching about cronyism and patronage, irony much 
So much derangement here. What bailout is he babbling about and what cronyism and no taxes are you babbling about?
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: zappaisgod]
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Not up to date on your business news, obviously 
They are the CEO’s now grandpa. Good employees actually like to be treated good, real shocker there right.... Ya the CEO has an obligation to deliver a profit to the shareholders, how you gonna do that when no one wants to work for you or your shitty company? PR is pretty important as well my man. Most people would rather work for a decent human at a job that respects them and treats them well and make less then at a place they get treated like shit. Just like how people will pay a little more for a smile and personalized service then to go to a place that treats them as an expendable POS.
Its funny how locked in absolutes you are.
The only people who think in absolutes are insane, or stupid. The real world doesn’t work that way, but yes i love being lectured on businesss practice by a fucking carpenter.... If i want to know how to make a shed, ya ill go to you. If i want financial advise pretty much the last person I’m going to talk to is the blue collar guy who is just reciting some maxim he heard rush limbaugh say 20 years ago.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
#19347459 - 12/30/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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no one is talking about right or wrong. Its a simple fact that CEO's have a legal responsibly to the shareholders and not the employees. Will employee's treated well work harder? Most likely. But thats a management discussion not a legal one.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
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They are the CEO’s now grandpa. Good employees actually like to be treated good, real shocker there right.... Ya the CEO has an obligation to deliver a profit to the shareholders, how you gonna do that when no one wants to work for you or your shitty company? PR is pretty important as well my man. Most people would rather work for a decent human at a job that respects them and treats them well and make less then at a place they get treated like shit. Just like how people will pay a little more for a smile and personalized service then to go to a place that treats them as an expendable POS.
Its funny how locked in absolutes you are.
The only people who think in absolutes are insane, or stupid. The real world doesn’t work that way, but yes i love being lectured on businesss practice by a fucking carpenter.... If i want to know how to make a shed, ya ill go to you. If i want financial advise pretty much the last person I’m going to talk to is the blue collar guy who is just reciting some maxim he heard rush limbaugh say 20 years ago.
I have no desire to advise you. I expect you will fail no matter what anybody tells you. Yes, attracting worthwhile employees might be important to provide a return to the shareholders. Unless it isn't. The CEO has no obligation to the employee. Only to the shareholder. The only purpose of my employees, and I made this very clear to them, was to make me money. If they weren't comfortable with that please fuck off right now. Even construction workers without college degrees understood that.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: psyconaught]
#19347523 - 12/30/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did i say it was a legal decision?
Zapp spouts out some shit they teach 8 year olds to try and seem smart. Shareholders and Employees are often one in the same anyway. Too say CEO's give no shits about their employees is just a major especially when that is the way most businesses are moving now days. Google changed the game.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
#19347544 - 12/30/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Google changed nothing.
Let me slow this down for you
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: zappaisgod]
#19347570 - 12/30/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No shit sherlock did you just finish your personal finance class from DeVry? Tell me the one about sole proprietorships again now grandpa zapp.
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This is single handedly the stupidest comment i have ever seen on this site.
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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
#19347588 - 12/30/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you really think Google was the first company that overpaid it's employees for some happy workplace nirvana? That is not a new concept.
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