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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: psyconaught]
    #19338134 - 12/28/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You are right cost of living can differ a lot. But you do agree that the average standard of living most non-Western countries have is not even remotely comparable to ours (even compared to most of what we consider poor), don't you?



of course poor countries have different lifestyles. Whats your point?

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what's the major accomplishment for reaching the $1.50-$2.00 per day level?



if you're making $0.50 a day then the accomplishment is massive.




Do you think if the minimum wage was removed in our country that it would be hard to pay someone $0.50 a day? I am trying to figure out what people think would happen if there was no minimum wage and someone could be paid whatever someone would offer. Of course perhaps competitively other people work for more and it might be more then $.50 a day, perhaps even $5.00 a day. But for sure there would be no law to stop it, that can for sure be said



I'm sure there would be plenty of jobs offering $0.50 an hour or a day. Would anyone accept that job? Hell no, therefore the employer would have to increase the wages in order to be competitive in the market. I would have been more than happy to take a $5.00 an hour job in high school. But i wasn't able to get a job because of minimum wage, it priced me out of the market. So instead i created my own business in high school. Not everyone has the entrepreneurial spirit however, nor does everyone want that.




Why do you think no one would accept such a low wage? They do in other countries. Are they forced to work in other countries? Or are they just willing to eat a piece of stale bread cut into pieces for a few days because it's better then starving to death?

It DOES suck when a minimum wage stops someone from getting paid a lower amount of money they'd accept to work for. Of course, at $7.00 an hour with taxes 8 hours of work only comes out to about $52 a day. An extremely low amount of money as it is, but I understand you being willing to take less. To me it's an unfortunate situation. It is of course true it benefits more people who are willing to work for less to not have a minimum wage. But this is the price of capitalistic greed. If if wasn't for a minimum wage, losers would accept anything people would pay them, and many people would make $1.50 an hour. Not a lot in this country, considering the price of living in the U.S. Of course as I said it's unfortunate, but these laws are the price of greedy and desperate people who will do anything for money and pay people anything to make tons of money.

I wish there was another way, but I myself am not willing to work for $7 an hour and haven't worked for that much for quite several years now. Perhaps if people were more self reliant then more people would be less willing to work for less and people would automatically get paid more based on the necessity to pay people what they ask to get something done. Another thing that would help remove the need for a minimum wage; is people paying whatever someone asks for something. For example, for most people to pay rent, they need a certain amount of money a month, because people are willing to buy property at high prices, property sells at high prices, and people who rent out rooms etc. pay high property taxes. Now those high property taxes create a need for higher wages just to make a simpler living. As I said, it's an unfortunate but necessary thing to have a minimum wage


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19338141 - 12/28/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Your failure to make a living is driving you insane.  It is not legal to pay illegal border jumping scum anything at all.




I have to fail to make a living to be on the other side of the argument? You think it's legal to pay non US citizens? A work visa is temporary, and is still a work visa. Jumping the fence and being here does not mean you have a work visa or are even granted a temporary stay of a week in the U.S., paying these people who have no proof of citizenship or visa is 100% illegal.

So if I made a good living I'd agree with you? And if I know someone who makes 200k a year who disagrees with you, then what? Just for the theory of arguing



That was in reference to your previous ravings but I suggest you reread what I wrote.  I'll repost it for you

"It is not legal to pay illegal border jumping scum anything at all". 


If you have a work visa you are whaaaaat?  Survey says:  "Legal"




So jumping a fence is the same as having a work visa? Not sure where this is going. Say what?


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: imachavel]
    #19338283 - 12/28/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure your reading comprehension is up to snuff.  No, that is not what I'm saying.  My first sentence referenced only illegal border jumping scum and went on to point out that it is illegal to pay them anything at all.  The second sentence was to point out that if you have a work visa you are legal.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19340006 - 12/29/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You guys are funny.

Why the fuck would any of you care about a maximum wage? it wouldn’t effect you thats for damn sure. Ya maybe if you keep voting against your own interests some day you’ll get lucky and strike the lottery.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
    #19340887 - 12/29/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Because I'm trying to go pro at mushroom hunting and start stacking benjamins :baaaam:


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
    #19341299 - 12/29/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You guys are funny.

Why the fuck would any of you care about a maximum wage? it wouldn’t effect you thats for damn sure. Ya maybe if you keep voting against your own interests some day you’ll get lucky and strike the lottery.



because a maximum wage creates a system where government dictates who and who cannot gain wealth. The less government the better, I think a maximum wage in a hinderance to freedom and the economy. Do you really only care about laws that affect you directly? I'm not gay but gay marriage should not be illegal.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
    #19342790 - 12/29/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If I reach the maximum allowable wage by the end of February I will stop working.  Have a good time finding somebody who can take my place.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420] * 1
    #19344204 - 12/29/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You guys are funny.

Why the fuck would any of you care about a maximum wage? it wouldn’t effect you thats for damn sure. Ya maybe if you keep voting against your own interests some day you’ll get lucky and strike the lottery.





WHY the fuck do you care if a company pays its CEO 10 million dollars?  It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. :smirk:


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #19344225 - 12/29/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You guys are funny.

Why the fuck would any of you care about a maximum wage? it wouldn’t effect you thats for damn sure. Ya maybe if you keep voting against your own interests some day you’ll get lucky and strike the lottery.





WHY the fuck do you care if a company pays its CEO 10 million dollars?  It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. :smirk:




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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: psyconaught]
    #19344238 - 12/29/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ya thats what CEOs get in bonuses when their company takes a loss for the year and has to downsize.


What was that severance package they paid all those guys that started the sub prime mortgage shit? like 60 mill to create the biggest recession since the depression :loldongs:


Good job bruhhh, well earned.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
    #19344241 - 12/29/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

thats an interesting point. Please explain how being a CEO means you contributed to the housing bubble?


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: psyconaught]
    #19344253 - 12/29/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Im talking about the guys that ran the banks that gave out the shitty loans.

If the Chief Executive isn’t the fall guy i don’t even know what to say :rofl:
You better never bitch about the president.


I just think its funny how the uber rich get the poor out in numbers voting for issues that will never effect them, or anybody that will even be seen in the same zip code as them


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420] * 1
    #19344258 - 12/29/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ya thats what CEOs get in bonuses when their company takes a loss for the year and has to downsize.


What was that severance package they paid all those guys that started the sub prime mortgage shit? like 60 mill to create the biggest recession since the depression :loldongs:


Good job bruhhh, well earned.



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Ya thats what CEOs get in bonuses when their company takes a loss for the year and has to downsize.


What was that severance package they paid all those guys that started the sub prime mortgage shit? like 60 mill to create the biggest recession since the depression :loldongs:


Good job bruhhh, well earned.




"Frank 'no crisis.' The New York Times reported on Sept. 11, 2003:

    ''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.""

Uh, the housing bubble was caused by GOVERNMENT POLICY and was pushed ahead by the bonehead actions of certain members of the Senate Finance Comittee.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19344273 - 12/29/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yaaaaaa....


Okay Rush, can i have a little of whatever your smoking.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420] * 1
    #19344344 - 12/30/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yaaaaaa....


Okay Rush, can i have a little of whatever your smoking.





You saw it, Barney Frank said that there was no problem.  There were warnings from several prominent republicans about the housing crisis.  This is the little bit of information the lefties don't want to admit.

Fucked up government policy caused the problem.  The government more or less forced banks to give up loans to people who didnt qualify for them.

So stick that up your butt, take a deep breath, and blow hard to see if it hits you in the head and gets you out of the brainwashed liberal mode.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19344436 - 12/30/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like it how you assume anyone who disagrees with you is a lefty. Just because I’m not a major tool that worships wealth doesn’t make me a leftist.

You actually think the financial institutions are ethical and have no role in the crash, how cute and naive of you.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
    #19344461 - 12/30/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i think peter schiff puts it fairly accurately.

"Wall Street drank the alcohol that the government poured"


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
    #19344462 - 12/30/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I like it how you assume anyone who disagrees with you is a lefty. Just because I’m not a major tool that worships wealth doesn’t make me a leftist.





I know right? It's always funny when people get defensive and just call someone else a "liberal" like it automatically wins the argument. If you ask me, identifying as a liberal or conservative is stupid and unrealistic for anyone to do. They want us to get all caught up picking sides like teenage girls fighting over Team Edward vs. Team Jacob, that way nothing ever actually gets accomplished.

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You actually think the financial institutions are ethical and have no role in the crash, how cute and naive of you.




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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
    #19344868 - 12/30/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You actually think the financial institutions are ethical and have no role in the crash, how cute and naive of you.




Did I say that?  No.

You actually think that the government is ethical and had no role in the crash, how cute and naive of you.

:lolsy:

You go ahead, you can suck the governments dick, call yourself whatever you want.


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Re: Politicians Who Want A Minimum Wage Want a Maximum Wage Too.... [Re: elax420]
    #19344871 - 12/30/13 03:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, by the way, i'll bet if you suddenly came into shitloads of money, or someone started paying you really large sums of money for something, that you would turn it down, give it back.  You would refuse it because, well, you are above those rich evil fuckers who make money, right? :lolsy:


Face it.  You dont make shit squat for money and you are envious of those who do.  Class envy.  The brand of the lefty.


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