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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal]
    #19308732 - 12/21/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Strangely enough, even after getting a bachelors in business. I barely know anything of this Marx fellow. I feel as if I should know this...




You would probably like him. My favorites are his "alienated labor" theory and "commodity fetishism" theory. Look it up and have a read.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #19308733 - 12/21/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Very interesting. Its 16 minutes long so it for people that have some time and will to learn.

Studying people's behavior is amazing



The we hear rich people say that the poor think they are entitled to stuff...



Its socialist propoganda




Of course, once you include science in something, it becomes propaganda. Good old conservative talk.



Sociology is not science.  Never has been


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19308734 - 12/21/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Sociology is not science.  Never has been




It's not a "hard" science, but it is the study of society. Hence, "sociology." It makes no claim to be a science.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308758 - 12/21/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
I should also add, that the higher the income disparity is, the greater the people's dependence will be on government assistance such as food stamps and housing aid.




Bullshit  Not one of these fucking losers has made a single cent less because Derek Jeter gets paid 20 million a year
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Apparently it costs taxpayers $730 for each Walmart worker just in healthcare, and another $1,222 in other forms of government assistance such as food stamps: http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/retail/walmart.pdf




I got an idea.  The government stops giving them anything at all.  Wages will rise.  Welfare subsidizes low wages and encourages bums to have children they can't support.


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308761 - 12/21/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Besides, how do you propose we study sociology in a more scientific way? Their methodologies in their studies are statistically devised to be as accurate as possible.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308765 - 12/21/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

sociology isn't a science, but politics is... :facepalm:

horrible how concepts can be simply boiled down into etymological forms and called "not this/not that" if only for their wording.

"science", in this case, should be only considered as the study of physical things interacting, and not ideas or concepts interacting.

to be fair. otherwise, the words simply don't hold any water with their definitions.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19308767 - 12/21/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sociology is the systematic and scientific study of society, including patterns of social relationships, social action, and culture.
Its a social science mane


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19308770 - 12/21/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I got an idea.  The government stops giving them anything at all.  Wages will rise.  Welfare subsidizes low wages and encourages bums to have children they can't support.




Why do you say wages will rise with no welfare?


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Offlineakira_akuma
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308776 - 12/21/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

this should be good.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19308784 - 12/21/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
  Welfare subsidizes low wages and encourages bums to have children they can't support.



Welfare standards are one of the many ways of reinforcing structural inequality.


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19308786 - 12/21/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
sociology isn't a science, but politics is... :facepalm:




The two are about the same in terms of scientific application. Which is pretty good, considering it's the study of human structure and organization.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308799 - 12/21/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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zappaisgod said:
I got an idea.  The government stops giving them anything at all.  Wages will rise.  Welfare subsidizes low wages and encourages bums to have children they can't support.




Why do you say wages will rise with no welfare?




Welfare subsidizes employers who pay low wages when their employees don't have to hold out for more money.



There is no such thing as society.  It is a fiction for the intellectually lazy


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308802 - 12/21/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well, i'd agree.

it's just that for someone to simply say "sociology isn't a science" because of how it's worded, is silly.

the study of things can considered a science.

otherwise, the only "true science" can be between physical things like chemical interactions and anatomy.

which is just simply not true, to begin with. but to treat it as such is very annoying.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19308805 - 12/21/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

See above


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19308809 - 12/21/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
There is no such thing as society.  It is a fiction for the intellectually lazy



there is no such thing as carpentry. it's just a fiction for people to waddle their asses around to feel like they're doing something.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: dontknow] * 1
    #19308817 - 12/21/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm definitely entitled.

And OP, I hate these no brainer studies.  "Scientists have discovered that a number of people who are starving act differently than when they are not starving".


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308825 - 12/21/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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At least once he even reported his credit card stolen after going on a major shopping spree, so he could get the money back




And it worked?? He never got caught? They never had an investigator bother to analyze his signature, or view store surveillance?




The first woman he tried it with on the phone started becoming suspicious of his story and when she tripped him up in questioning he just hung up on her and called back, got a ditz and she never questioned any of it. He got all the money back and to my knowledge never heard a word about it again, but I haven't talked to him in years. He ended up bailing before the lease was up and fucked me on the rent, even though I knew one phone call to his parents could have paid his way out of the agreement. As you said, a real class act.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19308826 - 12/21/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oddly enough you live in a structure.  I can go 5 miles in any direction and find communities that are completely and irrevocably different from mine, different mores, different traditions, different lifestyles.  Almost nothing in common, both up and down on the income scale.  There is no society.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19308834 - 12/21/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Crystal G said:
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zappaisgod said:
I got an idea.  The government stops giving them anything at all.  Wages will rise.  Welfare subsidizes low wages and encourages bums to have children they can't support.




Why do you say wages will rise with no welfare?




Welfare subsidizes employers who pay low wages when their employees don't have to hold out for more money.



There is no such thing as society.  It is a fiction for the intellectually lazy




If I recall welfare was created to supplement low wages, not the other way around. What is the economic incentive for companies to start paying more simply because welfare is gone?


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19308839 - 12/21/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Oddly enough you live in a structure.  I can go 5 miles in any direction and find communities that are completely and irrevocably different from mine, different mores, different traditions, different lifestyles.  Almost nothing in common, both up and down on the income scale.  There is no society.




If anything, this is an argument proves that societies are real.


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