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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19308511 - 12/21/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So basically, you claim the studies are biased, but can't really come up with a reason to support your assertion.



I don't have a peer reviewed source no but I have talked with sociologists and read sociological essays and they all are marxist in nature.




If analyzing economic inequality makes something "Marxist" in nature, then I guess, if you say so...

Marxism is mostly studied in political philosophy, not sociology... But, so is John Adams and other conservatives.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19308527 - 12/21/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I also doubt you've read any of Marx's works, because if you had, you wouldn't be calling things "Marxist" with no meaning attached to it whatsoever.

(I am very well-read in Marx's works, and I always facepalm at how many people ridicule or critique his works without ever having read it. But mostly they misinterpret or outright fabricate his message, such as equating it to communism, because they've never read his works.)


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308537 - 12/21/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I dunno I love money and wish I had more of it.

That being said I would probably buy a monocle and an evil lair inside a volcano first.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal]
    #19308541 - 12/21/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ofc the monopoly players focused on what they did to win and not on the circumstances that led them there, they still had to play the game despite their advantage. I would be interested to see how that question was worded.

I also couldn't help but notice that during the segment of video where he is showing how the dominant players move their pieces more loudly, the second part of that clip shows a girl who is presumably losing (as the other player is raising his arms in celebration) smacking her piece around just as loudly.

Ofc wealthy people give less of their money away, it's half the reason they're wealthy.

Ofc the guy in the BMW speeds past the pedestrian, he is likely busier than the guy in the hoopty. Lol that the guy in the Prius behaves the same way though.

The title of the video strikes me as scoff worthy too, is it mean to not give money to strangers, or is it smart? Is it mean to speed past the pedestrian if there's no light telling you to stop? It might be illegal, but I wouldn't say it's mean. Furthermore if money did make people mean, why does the video conclude with quotes from Bill Gates, who donates shit tons of money to charities and non defense science, and a list of 1%er do-good foundations and pledges to give away half their wealth?


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19308562 - 12/21/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The title of the video strikes me as scoff worthy too, is it mean to not give money to strangers, or is it smart? Is it mean to speed past the pedestrian if there's no light telling you to stop? It might be illegal, but I wouldn't say it's mean. Furthermore if money did make people mean, why does the video conclude with quotes from Bill Gates, who donates shit tons of money to charities and non defense science, and a list of 1%er do-good foundations and pledges to give away half their wealth?




Apparently some people believe that even the entire concept of "business ethics" is stupid for business and wastes money.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308578 - 12/21/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well, they probably have as equally strong a case as the guy in this video. Everyone just sees what they want to.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19308597 - 12/21/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just watched the video, and I can also attest to the pedestrian thing. I live in South OC, and pretty much everybody here is completely shitty to pedestrians. The rich kids here don't just not stop for pedestrians and bicyclists, they go as far as throwing eggs and shouting obscenities to the pedestrians. I've never ever seen that kind of behavior while living in Long Beach. Entitled rich kids are some of the most classless people I've met.

On the other hand, poor people feel entitled in a different kind of way. Take a look at the tramplings and deaths and fights that occur on Black Friday. It almost always exclusively happens in poor neighborhoods. Rich people don't fight over commodities the way that poor people do.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308635 - 12/21/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can definitely see that being true, entitlement seems to follow whenever people are given handouts, whether that be an inheritance or allowance or a food stamp card and year long unemployment benefits.

The only rich kid I ever hung out with out would make his mom wire him money on Fridays so he could buy coke and go shopping. At least once he even reported his credit card stolen after going on a major shopping spree, so he could get the money back, not that he even needed it. That was the moment I decided that no matter how wealthy I get, I will never raise a kid who I just give money too.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308644 - 12/21/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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badchad said:
So basically, you claim the studies are biased, but can't really come up with a reason to support your assertion.



I don't have a peer reviewed source no but I have talked with sociologists and read sociological essays and they all are marxist in nature.




If analyzing economic inequality makes something "Marxist" in nature, then I guess, if you say so...

Marxism is mostly studied in political philosophy, not sociology... But, so is John Adams and other conservatives.



Generally the conclusions reached are greater wealth distrubution something which I oppose.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19308667 - 12/21/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Generally the conclusions reached are greater wealth distrubution something which I oppose.




Okay, but that's not even what Marx proposed? Marx argued against income disparity in workforce labor, which is not the same as wealth redistribution.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
    #19308675 - 12/21/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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At least once he even reported his credit card stolen after going on a major shopping spree, so he could get the money back




And it worked?? He never got caught? They never had an investigator bother to analyze his signature, or view store surveillance?


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308677 - 12/21/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Generally the conclusions reached are greater wealth distrubution something which I oppose.




Okay, but that's not even what Marx proposed? Marx argued against income disparity in workforce labor, which is not the same as wealth redistribution.



I am referring to the modern conclusions reached by people on the left. Also I have no problem with income disparity social mobility goes both ways in the US.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19308685 - 12/21/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Also I have no problem with income disparity social mobility goes both ways in the US.




That is because you don't understand Marx's time. In his time, workers were making literally cents a day for working 16 hour days, every day, essentially as slaves for the assembly line. Is that something you don't mind?


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308687 - 12/21/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Also I have no problem with income disparity social mobility goes both ways in the US.




That is because you don't understand Marx's time. In his time, workers were making literally cents a day for working 16 hour days, every day, essentially as slaves for the assembly line. Is that something you don't mind?





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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308692 - 12/21/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I should also add, that the higher the income disparity is, the greater the people's dependence will be on government assistance such as food stamps and housing aid.

Apparently it costs taxpayers $730 for each Walmart worker just in healthcare, and another $1,222 in other forms of government assistance such as food stamps: http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/retail/walmart.pdf


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19308697 - 12/21/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I laugh at this idea. People need to eat, and pay rent to survive. They aren't just free to not work and quit. For every person that quits there's 3 more people that are willing to replace you.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308705 - 12/21/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And there is nothing wrong with that live with roomates don't buy drugs or alcohol this is what I am doing now it is doable.


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
    #19308716 - 12/21/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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badchad said:
So basically, you claim the studies are biased, but can't really come up with a reason to support your assertion.



I don't have a peer reviewed source no but I have talked with sociologists and read sociological essays and they all are marxist in nature.




If analyzing economic inequality makes something "Marxist" in nature, then I guess, if you say so...

Marxism is mostly studied in political philosophy, not sociology... But, so is John Adams and other conservatives.



We went to great lengths studying marx in my sociology class.  He is one of the founding fathers of sociology...


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: thelanzii]
    #19308727 - 12/21/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Strangely enough, even after getting a bachelors in business. I barely know anything of this Marx fellow. I feel as if I should know this...


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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: thelanzii]
    #19308728 - 12/21/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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We went to great lengths studying marx in my sociology class.  He is one of the founding fathers of sociology...




That is true, but I think that people need to differentiate between Marxist methodology and analysis, and facilitating certain ideologies. When sociologists use Marxist methods, they are simply using it as a perception method.


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