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Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst.
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Very interesting. Its 16 minutes long so it for people that have some time and will to learn.
Studying people's behavior is amazing
The we hear rich people say that the poor think they are entitled to stuff...
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal] 2
#19307772 - 12/21/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Regardless of wealth most people in the west feel entitled
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal]
#19307828 - 12/21/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: Very interesting. Its 16 minutes long so it for people that have some time and will to learn.
Studying people's behavior is amazing
The we hear rich people say that the poor think they are entitled to stuff...
Its socialist propoganda
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18] 1
#19307834 - 12/21/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: Very interesting. Its 16 minutes long so it for people that have some time and will to learn.
Studying people's behavior is amazing
The we hear rich people say that the poor think they are entitled to stuff...
Its socialist propoganda
Of course, once you include science in something, it becomes propaganda. Good old conservative talk.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal] 1
#19307839 - 12/21/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Many sociology studies are heavily biased to the left ever since the 70s when the marxists got there filthy paws into academia
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19307881 - 12/21/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Many sociology studies are heavily biased to the left ever since the 70s when the marxists got there filthy paws into academia
Nah, the result they get proves the left, that's all.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal]
#19307891 - 12/21/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Many sociology studies are heavily biased to the left ever since the 70s when the marxists got there filthy paws into academia
Nah, the result they get proves the left, that's all.
If these were truely unbiased studies I would give thme more of an open mind however they are not
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18] 2
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Gilgamesh18 said: Many sociology studies are heavily biased to the left ever since the 70s when the marxists got there filthy paws into academia
Nah, the result they get proves the left, that's all.
If these were truely unbiased studies I would give thme more of an open mind however they are not
And of course you know the guy in the video, you know how they made the experiments, the technique used and the exact number of participants and the cities they tested in. You probably know which rich hippie financed they study too.
You're talking out of your ass and you're just pissed that once again science proves the opposite of your beliefs.
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gilgamesh is a follower not a doer. he's not mad, he's just confused.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19307962 - 12/21/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If these were truely unbiased studies I would give thme more of an open mind however they are not
What factors do you think make them biased?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: badchad]
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If these were truely unbiased studies I would give thme more of an open mind however they are not
What factors do you think make them biased?
As I previously stated marxism strongly informs the social sciences namely sociology.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18] 1
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So basically, you claim the studies are biased, but can't really come up with a reason to support your assertion.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: badchad] 1
#19308022 - 12/21/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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badchad said: So basically, you claim the studies are biased, but can't really come up with a reason to support your assertion.
I was just about to say something like that
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: badchad]
#19308030 - 12/21/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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badchad said: So basically, you claim the studies are biased, but can't really come up with a reason to support your assertion.
I don't have a peer reviewed source no but I have talked with sociologists and read sociological essays and they all are marxist in nature.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19308053 - 12/21/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fair enough. In this video, he's speaking rather broadly about a group of experiments, so its difficult to comment on specifics.
If I were reviewing the studies, I'd be awfully curious about the instructional set given to participants and how they assess a "baseline" response. Obviously subject selection would be a pretty big deal as well.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: badchad]
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people would be lazy fucks without money. cant build an economy without it cant see where the demand is for what product. Money is the shit and is a standard way to measure success level to some extent
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: thelanzii]
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#19308428 - 12/21/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nemmies said: people would be lazy fucks without money. cant build an economy without it cant see where the demand is for what product. Money is the shit and is a standard way to measure success level to some extent
that is completely false. people wold be LESS lazy without money. they'd have to hunt and prepare their own foods, and they'd have more to live for then sitting around collecting money to buy things to put in their homes.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19308484 - 12/21/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was comparing a capitalistic society to marxism It is ridiculous that a lawyer would get paid the same as a janitor, thus making people lazy. There is no way to predict demand. People are left starving. Shitty cars shitty technology. marxist society does not work, history has shown this, and will never work.
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why is Marxism even being mentioned in this thread, at all? easy talking points?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19308511 - 12/21/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't have a peer reviewed source no but I have talked with sociologists and read sociological essays and they all are marxist in nature.
If analyzing economic inequality makes something "Marxist" in nature, then I guess, if you say so...
Marxism is mostly studied in political philosophy, not sociology... But, so is John Adams and other conservatives.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G] 2
#19308527 - 12/21/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I also doubt you've read any of Marx's works, because if you had, you wouldn't be calling things "Marxist" with no meaning attached to it whatsoever.
(I am very well-read in Marx's works, and I always facepalm at how many people ridicule or critique his works without ever having read it. But mostly they misinterpret or outright fabricate his message, such as equating it to communism, because they've never read his works.)
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19308537 - 12/21/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dunno I love money and wish I had more of it.
That being said I would probably buy a monocle and an evil lair inside a volcano first.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal]
#19308541 - 12/21/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ofc the monopoly players focused on what they did to win and not on the circumstances that led them there, they still had to play the game despite their advantage. I would be interested to see how that question was worded.
I also couldn't help but notice that during the segment of video where he is showing how the dominant players move their pieces more loudly, the second part of that clip shows a girl who is presumably losing (as the other player is raising his arms in celebration) smacking her piece around just as loudly.
Ofc wealthy people give less of their money away, it's half the reason they're wealthy.
Ofc the guy in the BMW speeds past the pedestrian, he is likely busier than the guy in the hoopty. Lol that the guy in the Prius behaves the same way though.
The title of the video strikes me as scoff worthy too, is it mean to not give money to strangers, or is it smart? Is it mean to speed past the pedestrian if there's no light telling you to stop? It might be illegal, but I wouldn't say it's mean. Furthermore if money did make people mean, why does the video conclude with quotes from Bill Gates, who donates shit tons of money to charities and non defense science, and a list of 1%er do-good foundations and pledges to give away half their wealth?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
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Apparently some people believe that even the entire concept of "business ethics" is stupid for business and wastes money.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19308578 - 12/21/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, they probably have as equally strong a case as the guy in this video. Everyone just sees what they want to.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#19308597 - 12/21/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just watched the video, and I can also attest to the pedestrian thing. I live in South OC, and pretty much everybody here is completely shitty to pedestrians. The rich kids here don't just not stop for pedestrians and bicyclists, they go as far as throwing eggs and shouting obscenities to the pedestrians. I've never ever seen that kind of behavior while living in Long Beach. Entitled rich kids are some of the most classless people I've met.
On the other hand, poor people feel entitled in a different kind of way. Take a look at the tramplings and deaths and fights that occur on Black Friday. It almost always exclusively happens in poor neighborhoods. Rich people don't fight over commodities the way that poor people do.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19308635 - 12/21/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can definitely see that being true, entitlement seems to follow whenever people are given handouts, whether that be an inheritance or allowance or a food stamp card and year long unemployment benefits.
The only rich kid I ever hung out with out would make his mom wire him money on Fridays so he could buy coke and go shopping. At least once he even reported his credit card stolen after going on a major shopping spree, so he could get the money back, not that he even needed it. That was the moment I decided that no matter how wealthy I get, I will never raise a kid who I just give money too.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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badchad said: So basically, you claim the studies are biased, but can't really come up with a reason to support your assertion.
I don't have a peer reviewed source no but I have talked with sociologists and read sociological essays and they all are marxist in nature.
If analyzing economic inequality makes something "Marxist" in nature, then I guess, if you say so...
Marxism is mostly studied in political philosophy, not sociology... But, so is John Adams and other conservatives.
Generally the conclusions reached are greater wealth distrubution something which I oppose.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19308667 - 12/21/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Generally the conclusions reached are greater wealth distrubution something which I oppose.
Okay, but that's not even what Marx proposed? Marx argued against income disparity in workforce labor, which is not the same as wealth redistribution.
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RiderOnTheStorm said: At least once he even reported his credit card stolen after going on a major shopping spree, so he could get the money back
And it worked?? He never got caught? They never had an investigator bother to analyze his signature, or view store surveillance?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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Okay, but that's not even what Marx proposed? Marx argued against income disparity in workforce labor, which is not the same as wealth redistribution.
I am referring to the modern conclusions reached by people on the left. Also I have no problem with income disparity social mobility goes both ways in the US.
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Gilgamesh18 said: Also I have no problem with income disparity social mobility goes both ways in the US.
That is because you don't understand Marx's time. In his time, workers were making literally cents a day for working 16 hour days, every day, essentially as slaves for the assembly line. Is that something you don't mind?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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That is because you don't understand Marx's time. In his time, workers were making literally cents a day for working 16 hour days, every day, essentially as slaves for the assembly line. Is that something you don't mind?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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I should also add, that the higher the income disparity is, the greater the people's dependence will be on government assistance such as food stamps and housing aid.
Apparently it costs taxpayers $730 for each Walmart worker just in healthcare, and another $1,222 in other forms of government assistance such as food stamps: http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/retail/walmart.pdf
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I laugh at this idea. People need to eat, and pay rent to survive. They aren't just free to not work and quit. For every person that quits there's 3 more people that are willing to replace you.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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And there is nothing wrong with that live with roomates don't buy drugs or alcohol this is what I am doing now it is doable.
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I don't have a peer reviewed source no but I have talked with sociologists and read sociological essays and they all are marxist in nature.
If analyzing economic inequality makes something "Marxist" in nature, then I guess, if you say so...
Marxism is mostly studied in political philosophy, not sociology... But, so is John Adams and other conservatives.
We went to great lengths studying marx in my sociology class. He is one of the founding fathers of sociology...
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: thelanzii]
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Strangely enough, even after getting a bachelors in business. I barely know anything of this Marx fellow. I feel as if I should know this...
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That is true, but I think that people need to differentiate between Marxist methodology and analysis, and facilitating certain ideologies. When sociologists use Marxist methods, they are simply using it as a perception method.
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You would probably like him. My favorites are his "alienated labor" theory and "commodity fetishism" theory. Look it up and have a read.
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Patlal said: Very interesting. Its 16 minutes long so it for people that have some time and will to learn.
Studying people's behavior is amazing
The we hear rich people say that the poor think they are entitled to stuff...
Its socialist propoganda
Of course, once you include science in something, it becomes propaganda. Good old conservative talk.
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It's not a "hard" science, but it is the study of society. Hence, "sociology." It makes no claim to be a science.
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Bullshit Not one of these fucking losers has made a single cent less because Derek Jeter gets paid 20 million a yearQuote:
Apparently it costs taxpayers $730 for each Walmart worker just in healthcare, and another $1,222 in other forms of government assistance such as food stamps: http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/retail/walmart.pdf
I got an idea. The government stops giving them anything at all. Wages will rise. Welfare subsidizes low wages and encourages bums to have children they can't support.
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Besides, how do you propose we study sociology in a more scientific way? Their methodologies in their studies are statistically devised to be as accurate as possible.
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sociology isn't a science, but politics is... 
horrible how concepts can be simply boiled down into etymological forms and called "not this/not that" if only for their wording.
"science", in this case, should be only considered as the study of physical things interacting, and not ideas or concepts interacting.
to be fair. otherwise, the words simply don't hold any water with their definitions.
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Sociology is the systematic and scientific study of society, including patterns of social relationships, social action, and culture. Its a social science mane
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Why do you say wages will rise with no welfare?
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Welfare standards are one of the many ways of reinforcing structural inequality.
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akira_akuma said: sociology isn't a science, but politics is... 
The two are about the same in terms of scientific application. Which is pretty good, considering it's the study of human structure and organization.
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Why do you say wages will rise with no welfare?
Welfare subsidizes employers who pay low wages when their employees don't have to hold out for more money.
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well, i'd agree.
it's just that for someone to simply say "sociology isn't a science" because of how it's worded, is silly.
the study of things can considered a science.
otherwise, the only "true science" can be between physical things like chemical interactions and anatomy.
which is just simply not true, to begin with. but to treat it as such is very annoying.
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zappaisgod said: There is no such thing as society. It is a fiction for the intellectually lazy
there is no such thing as carpentry. it's just a fiction for people to waddle their asses around to feel like they're doing something.
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I'm definitely entitled.
And OP, I hate these no brainer studies. "Scientists have discovered that a number of people who are starving act differently than when they are not starving".
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The first woman he tried it with on the phone started becoming suspicious of his story and when she tripped him up in questioning he just hung up on her and called back, got a ditz and she never questioned any of it. He got all the money back and to my knowledge never heard a word about it again, but I haven't talked to him in years. He ended up bailing before the lease was up and fucked me on the rent, even though I knew one phone call to his parents could have paid his way out of the agreement. As you said, a real class act.
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Oddly enough you live in a structure. I can go 5 miles in any direction and find communities that are completely and irrevocably different from mine, different mores, different traditions, different lifestyles. Almost nothing in common, both up and down on the income scale. There is no society.
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zappaisgod said: I got an idea. The government stops giving them anything at all. Wages will rise. Welfare subsidizes low wages and encourages bums to have children they can't support.
Why do you say wages will rise with no welfare?
Welfare subsidizes employers who pay low wages when their employees don't have to hold out for more money.
There is no such thing as society. It is a fiction for the intellectually lazy
If I recall welfare was created to supplement low wages, not the other way around. What is the economic incentive for companies to start paying more simply because welfare is gone?
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zappaisgod said: Oddly enough you live in a structure. I can go 5 miles in any direction and find communities that are completely and irrevocably different from mine, different mores, different traditions, different lifestyles. Almost nothing in common, both up and down on the income scale. There is no society.
If anything, this is an argument proves that societies are real.
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Why do you say wages will rise with no welfare?
Welfare subsidizes employers who pay low wages when their employees don't have to hold out for more money.
There is no such thing as society. It is a fiction for the intellectually lazy
If I recall welfare was created to supplement low wages, not the other way around. What is the economic incentive for companies to start paying more simply because welfare is gone?
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Patlal said: Very interesting. Its 16 minutes long so it for people that have some time and will to learn.
Studying people's behavior is amazing
The we hear rich people say that the poor think they are entitled to stuff...
Its socialist propoganda
Of course, once you include science in something, it becomes propaganda. Good old conservative talk.
Sociology is not science. Never has been
Sociology is the scientific study of human social behavior and human association and results of social activities. Its not mathematics due to the fact no brain is exactly the same, but you can definitely make accurate predictions of behavior based on the results of sociology.
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zappaisgod said: Oddly enough you live in a structure. I can go 5 miles in any direction and find communities that are completely and irrevocably different from mine, different mores, different traditions, different lifestyles. Almost nothing in common, both up and down on the income scale. There is no society.
that's society 
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Why do you say wages will rise with no welfare?
Welfare subsidizes employers who pay low wages when their employees don't have to hold out for more money.
There is no such thing as society. It is a fiction for the intellectually lazy
If I recall welfare was created to supplement low wages, not the other way around. What is the economic incentive for companies to start paying more simply because welfare is gone?
Welfare was created to provide a temporary assist for people to get back to work. Now all you need to do to get permanent welfare is squirt out a kid. Are you really so naive as to believe that the intention of a law establishes its efficacy?
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Sociology is the scientific study of human social behavior and human association and results of social activities. Its not mathematics due to the fact no brain is exactly the same, but you can definitely make accurate predictions of behavior based on the results of sociology.
There is no such thing as human society. Psychology can encompass the study of human social interactions and does. Sociology is complete bullshit
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that's society 
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sure ya did, Zap. you said society isn't a thing, and explained how there is people and places all over that have different ways of doing things because of the different things they do.
you said, essentially, that that isn't sociology; but THAT IT IS... hence your twisting.
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Sociology is the scientific study of human social behavior and human association and results of social activities. Its not mathematics due to the fact no brain is exactly the same, but you can definitely make accurate predictions of behavior based on the results of sociology.
There is no such thing as human society. Psychology can encompass the study of human social interactions and does. Sociology is complete bullshit
There are times where you make brilliant comments, then there are times like these when you say that there is no such thing as human society...
Do you not live on planet earth??? 192 countries, all dividedd in states and provinces, all linked together by the economy, altruism on a dayly basis, people interacting constantly with each other, constant reproduction for the survival of the race.
How the hell can you say that there is no such thing as a society? Either you're trolling or you are extremely closed-minded/stubborn.
Sociology isn't bullshit. Sociology is the reason why marketing works, it's the reason police interogation works, its the reason there are signs on the road, it's the reason why some similar products succeeds and some don't. The internet is the greatest sociology experiment in the world! We learned so much about human behavior because of it I couldn't even start listing all the social trends and specific human behaviors that were discovered because of it...
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Welfare was created to provide a temporary assist for people to get back to work. Now all you need to do to get permanent welfare is squirt out a kid. Are you really so naive as to believe that the intention of a law establishes its efficacy?
I really highly doubt people are popping out children just to collect welfare. If I recall my statistics a 4 person household receives less than $400 a month, hardly a profit and hardly worth the tedious labor of raising children at all.
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Welfare was created to provide a temporary assist for people to get back to work. Now all you need to do to get permanent welfare is squirt out a kid. Are you really so naive as to believe that the intention of a law establishes its efficacy?
I really highly doubt people are popping out children just to collect welfare. If I recall my statistics a 4 person household receives less than $400 a month, hardly a profit and hardly worth the tedious labor of raising children at all.
Zappa has a big point here. Yes people pop out children just for welfare. Especially people with addictions. Lots of people on welfare have kids for money.
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I loved this video. I have nothing else to add
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Welfare was created to provide a temporary assist for people to get back to work. Now all you need to do to get permanent welfare is squirt out a kid. Are you really so naive as to believe that the intention of a law establishes its efficacy?
I really highly doubt people are popping out children just to collect welfare. If I recall my statistics a 4 person household receives less than $400 a month, hardly a profit and hardly worth the tedious labor of raising children at all.
Zappa has a big point here. Yes people pop out children just for welfare. Especially people with addictions. Lots of people on welfare have kids for money.
I think there's a big difference between having children accidentally while you were fucking high, and scheming a plan to defraud the government by purposely having children to get high. There's clearly much better and more advantageous ways of getting money (a lot more money) without going through the whole ordeal of having children, such as prostitution or stealing or pawning off your things.
A lot of women who are prostitutes might accidentally end up getting knocked up due to what they do. It doesn't mean they intentionally meant to get pregnant.
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Welfare was created to provide a temporary assist for people to get back to work. Now all you need to do to get permanent welfare is squirt out a kid. Are you really so naive as to believe that the intention of a law establishes its efficacy?
I really highly doubt people are popping out children just to collect welfare. If I recall my statistics a 4 person household receives less than $400 a month, hardly a profit and hardly worth the tedious labor of raising children at all.
Zappa has a big point here. Yes people pop out children just for welfare. Especially people with addictions. Lots of people on welfare have kids for money.
I think there's a big difference between having children accidentally while you were fucking high, and scheming a plan to defraud the government by purposely having children to get high. There's clearly much better and more advantageous ways of getting money (a lot more money) without going through the whole ordeal of having children, such as prostitution or stealing or pawning off your things.
A lot of women who are prostitutes might accidentally end up getting knocked up due to what they do. It doesn't mean they intentionally meant to get pregnant.
Trust me, some of them are scheming. There are several cases of underfed children and mistreated children because the parents only had them for the extra cash. Its a sad reality.
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No. They might USE their benefits for drugs because their addiction is compelling them to feed their addiction first instead of their kids, but that in no way means that they had the kids intentionally just to obtain that money.
Also, it might be different in Canada because your government benefits are a lot better, but in America families get paid ridiculously low.
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I mean, do you know how much each extra child gets you in America? Only $100 a month for each extra child. Sorry, but no woman is going to put herself through the pain of child labor, let alone the pain of raising a child, for a measly $100 a month. Even if you were the poorest, most drugged-out woman in America you would not do that. Any crackho can make that money in 30 minutes with a blowjob. LOL
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You're wrong, I've met two people who both talked candidly with me about how they were going to have another kid to get increased benefits, and it's substantially more than $100. It's about $200 per month more in food stamps, one of their families was getting $800 per month. There are additional benefits that also go up with each child, and this guy would always make sure he made under a certain amount of income doing sales, so that it wouldn't affect their benefits and they could maximize their rake while still having insurance from the job.
These were employees of mine that told me this, makes me wonder how many didn't say it.
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There is no such thing as society. It is a fiction for the intellectually lazy
This is among the dumbest things I've ever read
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#19309631 - 12/21/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: You're wrong, I've met two people who both talked candidly with me about how they were going to have another kid to get increased benefits, and it's substantially more than $100. It's about $200 per month more in food stamps, one of their families was getting $800 per month. There are additional benefits that also go up with each child, and this guy would always make sure he made under a certain amount of income doing sales, so that it wouldn't affect their benefits and they could maximize their rake while still having insurance from the job.
These were employees of mine that told me this, makes me wonder how many didn't say it.
ya, not the same thing.
no wonder people are doing this shit, this idea is spreading like wildfire... now you don't even have to be a poor negligent drug addict to wanna get that extra 200$!
you just want it, so have a baby! those two employees you talked to... were they junkies by any chance? or was this just some dummy who heard of this idea where "hey i'll just get on welfare and have another child and i'll get paid; need the money!"
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19309695 - 12/21/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I... don't even understand how $200 would even BARELY begin to increase a profit for a child. Even if healthcare and food is covered, diapers AREN'T. Diapers are like what, $22 a pack? How many packs would you go through in a week? That $200 would basically MAYBE cover your diaper expenses, but maybe it wouldn't even cover that. And then there's the matter of clothes and shoes and baby shampoos and diaper rash powder...
I really am failing to see how a family could possibly turn a profit even with $200 extra each month. Maybe somebody can step in and draw out the math for me here.
Most families are not making $800 a month in welfare. Maybe $800 total, if you include EBT, WIC, MediCal, AND the federal assistance. The average monthly income for temporary welfare assistance was something like $347 for a family of 3-4.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19309741 - 12/21/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the fact that some idiot that thinks it works, does it... that what makes it "a thing".
boy, it's gonna keep snow balling, isn't it? soon we'll hear presidents speaking on "the child welfare problem of America"
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19309802 - 12/21/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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He made it sound more like $10,000 per year per kid when you figured in food stamps, welfare, tax breaks, housing assistance, and everything else. The dude had 3 kids already and deliberately tried not to make more than like $1600 per month so he could stay on certain parts of the assistance. His girl was claiming disability too. I'm sure the kids all wore hand me down clothes from the first one, they were planned after all, albeit poorly.
I hear what you're saying, when he told me they were gonna have another kid to get more money I laughed, but he had it all worked out somehow. The equations were probably faulty, you can't expect much from these types of people, but I could tell both people who told me they were planning it were serious.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
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that might be "abuse of the system" to you (the shameless narcissist materialist, funnily enough, would have that opinion) but really is that situation the same thing as "getting on welfare to make babies and get more money for it"?
i don't think it is. maybe in principle, but not in actuality; in actuality one is just using what's available to him, and using his kids as an insurance policy, of sorts, to keep on the dole.
the other is LITERALLY having kids for money.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: RiderOnTheStorm]
#19309975 - 12/21/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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RiderOnTheStorm said: He made it sound more like $10,000 per year per kid when you figured in food stamps, welfare, tax breaks, housing assistance, and everything else.
Tax breaks? What the fuck is he talking about, if he's making $18,000 a year his taxes are going to be like a grand. Not much money to be saved there, even if he were to get it all back.
If you look at the food stamp chart, it increases by about $150 per household per person: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2226 (1 person is $189, I am 1 person and I spend about $400 a month on groceries if I'm trying to eat healthy but still cheap.)
And according to this, the average household receives $2,500 a year (AKA $214 a month) in federal housing assistance: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3892 (I simply did the math and took the estimated 2012 budget, subtracted the budget cuts, came up with $5.5 billion, and then divided by the number of families assisted, 2,142,134).
And like I said, the average family household on TANF (temporary asssistance for needy families) gets something like $327 a month for a family of 4.
Essentially he is correct, everything all put together comes out to just around $9,500 per year, however this is DEFINITELY NOT PER KID. Actually, it's more like $10-$12,000 for all 2-3 kids.
Also, why the fuck is he working just for insurance? Are the kids not on MediCal or something, does he not qualify for that?
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The dude had 3 kids already and deliberately tried not to make more than like $1600 per month so he could stay on certain parts of the assistance.
This part I can understand if your children are receiving free medical, and one girl has a disability.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19310007 - 12/21/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the persons "deliberate" nature of his use of the welfare and disabilities system, is what arses Rider so. not so much the fact of the miscalculations with money.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19310019 - 12/21/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think he might be doing it, like what you said akira earlier, is sort of using the kid as insurance, so that he doesn't LOSE his benefits. Because I know that a lot of these benefits are basically temporary, such as housing assistance and TANF. I'm guessing that even if he were to really try at his sales job, the most he would make would be $2500 a month, definitely not enough to support a family of three and a wife?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19310027 - 12/21/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, it's called digging a big fat hole to lay in. 
but yeah, i don't think he's morally "defunt" for wanting to have a child to get benefits; when this is the situations that people get in, which belays having these systems in place, in the first place period. 
definitely not the same "Story" as "the junkie addict woman who has three kids to increase her welfare check balance to slum around and shoot drugs".
not even close to that ludicrous story.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal]
#19310121 - 12/22/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Patlal said: Very interesting. Its 16 minutes long so it for people that have some time and will to learn.
Studying people's behavior is amazing
The we hear rich people say that the poor think they are entitled to stuff...
Its socialist propoganda
Of course, once you include science in something, it becomes propaganda. Good old conservative talk.
its propaganda after the line of "to restore the american dream"
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19310198 - 12/22/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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akira_akuma said: but yeah, i don't think he's morally "defunt" for wanting to have a child to get benefits; when this is the situations that people get in, which belays having these systems in place, in the first place period. 
The problem is that once they're in the system like that, they have almost no way of getting out of it. It creates a vicious circle of repetition, just to stay afloat. How DO you get out of poverty when most of your income relies on government assistance to begin with?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19310230 - 12/22/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the way of avoiding this problem (without removing the notion of government assistance) is by a: not having associations and personal obligations to ideals that are proposed by the status quo (making a family! have kids and support your spouse; then get a house! buy a new car, you need one by now! seriously, you need to have ect ect ect) and b: think about new and fruitful ideas that aren't attached to other people's opinions of you; in general.
then you don't get the poor lost soul who thinks they live in a caring and just universe where people help one another because of something other then altruism and that "making mistakes is human", and other antiquated platitudes.
making mistakes is what the universes does... some of them just happen to work out in people's favor. so one shouldn't push for sentiment to favorably exercise a will which is under the will of another; because then you are falling into chaos.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: akira_akuma]
#19310266 - 12/22/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes avoidance is great, but what about for people who are stuck in that situation. (i.e. living in a low unemployment area, unplanned pregnancy, didn't or couldn't get an abortion for various reasons) How do they get out?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Patlal]
#19311149 - 12/22/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sociology is the scientific study of human social behavior and human association and results of social activities. Its not mathematics due to the fact no brain is exactly the same, but you can definitely make accurate predictions of behavior based on the results of sociology.
There is no such thing as human society. Psychology can encompass the study of human social interactions and does. Sociology is complete bullshit
There are times where you make brilliant comments, then there are times like these when you say that there is no such thing as human society...
Do you not live on planet earth??? 192 countries, all dividedd in states and provinces, all linked together by the economy, altruism on a dayly basis, people interacting constantly with each other, constant reproduction for the survival of the race.
How the hell can you say that there is no such thing as a society? Either you're trolling or you are extremely closed-minded/stubborn.
Sociology isn't bullshit. Sociology is the reason why marketing works, it's the reason police interogation works, its the reason there are signs on the road, it's the reason why some similar products succeeds and some don't. The internet is the greatest sociology experiment in the world! We learned so much about human behavior because of it I couldn't even start listing all the social trends and specific human behaviors that were discovered because of it...
LOL. No it isn't. Psychology is. We are individuals, not ethereal imagined groups with attributes studied and assigned to the group. What do I have in common with the Yanomami? I find the entire idea of society lazy and fascist and an imposition of group attributes onto individuals. I don't even have all that much in common with the people who live right near me. We are not the same and sociology attempts to argue that we are and have the same interests. We do not.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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One of the least credible TED talks i've ever seen. Monopoly LOL 
What about the uber rich like Bill Gates. Who (by the time he dies) will be giving away most of his wealth?
~Now watch this TED talk, by one of the most famous statiticians in the world Hans Rosling. hans_rosling_on_global_population_growth.html
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: ChinChiller]
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I just really think that is an informative TED talk, albeit common sense.
Hope I didnt steal your thread Pat.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: ChinChiller]
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Sociology is the scientific study of human social behavior and human association and results of social activities. Its not mathematics due to the fact no brain is exactly the same, but you can definitely make accurate predictions of behavior based on the results of sociology.
There is no such thing as human society. Psychology can encompass the study of human social interactions and does. Sociology is complete bullshit
There are times where you make brilliant comments, then there are times like these when you say that there is no such thing as human society...
Do you not live on planet earth??? 192 countries, all dividedd in states and provinces, all linked together by the economy, altruism on a dayly basis, people interacting constantly with each other, constant reproduction for the survival of the race.
How the hell can you say that there is no such thing as a society? Either you're trolling or you are extremely closed-minded/stubborn.
Sociology isn't bullshit. Sociology is the reason why marketing works, it's the reason police interogation works, its the reason there are signs on the road, it's the reason why some similar products succeeds and some don't. The internet is the greatest sociology experiment in the world! We learned so much about human behavior because of it I couldn't even start listing all the social trends and specific human behaviors that were discovered because of it...
LOL. No it isn't. Psychology is. We are individuals, not ethereal imagined groups with attributes studied and assigned to the group. What do I have in common with the Yanomami? I find the entire idea of society lazy and fascist and an imposition of group attributes onto individuals. I don't even have all that much in common with the people who live right near me. We are not the same and sociology attempts to argue that we are and have the same interests. We do not.
You speak English. Hugely relevant the society you live in and your overall reality. Your gender role is relevant to the society you live in. Your social class and stratification is relevant to the society you live in. The quality of you education is relevant to the society you live in. Society forms our reality now that we are not hunter and gatherer folk.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: thelanzii]
#19314356 - 12/23/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That was one of the worst TED talks I’ve seen, all their numbers and studies were subjective as shit and all had confounding variables out the ass.
“science”

Taking a look at this thread it seems its evolved into the typical Republican/Democrat shit.
All i gotta say is we better stop incentivizing growth. Population is getting out of control as is, what is it going to look like in 30 years?
Nobody will say it because it does sound terrible, but people gotta start dying. Its a dog eat dog world, and the truth hurts sometimes but everything isn’t all roses and sunshine 
If the lowest strata of society keeps reproducing at its current rate we are going to see some terrible famines, wars, you name it.
forced sterilization anyone
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
#19314420 - 12/23/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elax420 said: Nobody will say it because it does sound terrible, but people gotta start dying. Its a dog eat dog world, and the truth hurts sometimes but everything isn’t all roses and sunshine 
People aren't dying because of advents and breakthroughs in medical science. This means longer social security and Medicare payments, which is the biggest expense in the U.S.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19314443 - 12/23/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yup, its not just america though its the emerging markets/developing world whatever the fuck you wanna call it.
Watch the fuck out when india gets its shit together (quite literally)

Fact is we need to do something to control human population before we make the planet unlivable for us as a species. The only sociology class i ever had was Environmental Sociology and we talked all about water accessibility, food, energy. Basically in the long run we’re fucked.... But like the great John Maynard Keynes said "in the long run we are all dead."(Lol i just did that cuz i know you guys hate on biz school so much) Point is, what were doing right now is unsustainable
As india’s population keeps skyrocketing Pakistan is going to lose its water supply, keep in mind both countries hate the shit out of each other already and both nuclear powers. Ah what a lovely world we live in Zappa’s generation had it so easy
Gilgmesh is kinda right, every “soft science” teacher I’ve had is a major pinko, I’m not saying thats a bad thing and its probably just the nature of the work. I love it they are all so eccentric and unemployable, thank god for academics right?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
#19314464 - 12/23/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elax420 said: But like the great John Maynard Keynes said "in the long run we are all dead."(Lol i just did that cuz i know you guys hate on biz school so much)
I don't hate on biz school guys. I hate on biz school guys who think their schooling is as useful as science.
BTW, IDK why but I felt compelled to show you this Keynes vs Hayek rap video
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Nowadays almost all countries have nukes. Supposedly you would only need like 100 nukes to completely destroy the earth, and Russia and the USA alone have thousands. Like WTF is even the point of having that many? It's all just a competition.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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People aren't dying because of advents and breakthroughs in medical science. This means longer social security and Medicare payments, which is the biggest expense in the U.S.
where does war fit in those expenses
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: thelanzii]
#19315756 - 12/23/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seen that video many times Cyrstal
The thing about nukes is it seems like most countries would be smart enough to not use them, then you have india and pakistan.........
Isreal too but i think they would only use em if they got fucked over really hard by an arab state.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
#19315771 - 12/23/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elax420 said: Seen that video many times Cyrstal
The thing about nukes is it seems like most countries would be smart enough to not use them, then you have india and pakistan.........
Isreal too but i think they would only use em if they got fucked over really hard by an arab state.
LOL
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: k00laid]
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No, 
You are literally the first person to ever accuse me of being a supporter of Isreal.
I think it is worse that they have nukes than the fact that Iran will have them soon.
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Nowadays almost all countries have nukes. Supposedly you would only need like 100 nukes to completely destroy the earth, and Russia and the USA alone have thousands. Like WTF is even the point of having that many? It's all just a competition.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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I would agree with that assessment Zappa, the conservatives before your time were the worst though.
Fuck everything about ronald reagan and the bushes
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
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This is EXACTLY true! Having lived in newport beach, california, this is EXACTLY how people are. People think they can just do whatever they want. And boy are they the greediest motherfuckers ever.
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Fuck everything about ronald reagan and the bushes 
Neither Bush was a conservative. Reagan was but could only do so much with an oppositional Congress and, unlike Obama, did not think he was elected King who could rewrite laws at his whim.
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 Because thats exactly what they ran as. I guess my beef is with Neo-Cons not older conservatives. Eisenhower is one of my favorite presidents.
Ya Reagan just did super illegal shit (Iran Contra), but he was a real working mans guy  Reagan was the phoniest son of a bitch, even for a politician he was something else.
I lean conservative in a lot of ways believe it or not.
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 Because thats exactly what they ran as. I guess my beef is with Neo-Cons not older conservatives. Eisenhower is one of my favorite presidents.
Bush the Younger ran on Compassionate Conservatism. Bush the Elder accused Reagan of voodoo economics.Quote:
Ya Reagan just did super illegal shit (Iran Contra), but he was a real working mans guy 
You think Iran Contra, to which he was never attached was super illegal but a King President who changes the laws of Congress on a whim and refuses to enforce others is not?
Name the President of the US who was also a union president.Quote:
Reagan was the phoniest son of a bitch, even for a politician he was something else.
LOL. He was the least phony of any I can recallQuote:
I lean conservative in a lot of ways believe it or not.
Name a few.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Reagan did have voodoo economics. Dude Reagan had nothing to do with Iran Contra just like Obama has nothing to do with torture and domestic spying 
I would have never figured a guy with a real blue collar job identifies with hollywood elite. He was fucking Democrat forever and he was always an actor, family values my fucking ass how many bitches did he fuck? enough about that senile fuck though,
I lean conservative in fiscal policy. Im not a big fan of entitlement programs, i see the value of them but i think they are much too large to function as intended, and you end with weird situations where families play the system for their entire lives, and employers intentionally underpay their workers and expect the government to make up for it (walmart)
That being said Farm subsidies are just as stupid, and the military is oversized. Exxon shouldn’t be getting tax cuts in my mind either. I have no problem with cutting corporate taxes to encourage economic growth, but they should cut taxes from innovative companies, not shit that is so outdated and unsustainable.
Ill admit i don’t know much about the tax code but i would like to see a google or apple (you get the idea) getting the tax cuts instead of big unsustainable energy.
Also Im from the west so I’m not a fan of Federal intervention in things that i believe should be decided by the state, barring extreme scenarios. (gun control, abortion, gay marriage, you get the idea)
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: Reagan did have voodoo economics. Dude Reagan had nothing to do with Iran Contra just like Obama has nothing to do with torture and domestic spying 
They investigated it to the balls and he didn't get tagged for it. They barely snicked Bush senior and that went nowhere. What torture? What domestic spying?Quote:
I would have never figured a guy with a real blue collar job identifies with hollywood elite.
Reagan was not Hollywood elite. He was barely above a B movie actorQuote:
He was fucking Democrat forever and he was always an actor, family values my fucking ass how many bitches did he fuck? enough about that senile fuck though,
None that I know of. If you got something show it.Quote:
I lean conservative in fiscal policy. Im not a big fan of entitlement programs, i see the value of them but i think they are much too large to function as intended, and you end with weird situations where families play the system for their entire lives, and employers intentionally underpay their workers and expect the government to make up for it (walmart)
Employers have no obligation to pay anybody any more than they have to. They shouldn't give a shit if the government makes up for it. I got an idea. Stop having the government give people money. Increasing pay at Wal Mart will increase prices for the poor people who shop there. What poor peopple do you want to fuck?Quote:
That being said Farm subsidies are just as stupid, and the military is oversized. Exxon shouldn’t be getting tax cuts in my mind either. I have no problem with cutting corporate taxes to encourage economic growth, but they should cut taxes from innovative companies, not shit that is so outdated and unsustainable.
Farm subsidies are a disgrace.. The military is not oversized but inefficient. Like everything the government doesQuote:
Ill admit i don’t know much about the tax code but i would like to see a google or apple (you get the idea) getting the tax cuts instead of big unsustainable energy.
Fuck Google, the biggest spy agency on the planet. Fuck Apple, the planned obsolescence cunts that they are. Do you know that they would not even try to replace the battery in an Ipod? I don't think there should be any corporate taxes at all. Did you know we have the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world and that it is only tenable because of cronyism? No corporate taxes at all and tax profits as income when the owners take them. You want favoritism for your favorites. Fuck that.Quote:
Also Im from the west so I’m not a fan of Federal intervention in things that i believe should be decided by the state, barring extreme scenarios. (gun control, abortion, gay marriage, you get the idea)
I can't tell if you think those three things are extreme scenarios that should have federal control or not.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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He had multiple wives and was an actor, even you can’t be that naive, but like i said I’m done with reagan, no sense in talking about that senile fuck.
Increasing workers pay doesn’t necessarily raise prices for consumers either. How about just have the executives make 99 million instead of 100 and pay the regular workers 8$ instead of 7.25 Its just a story of have/have not. Don’t even try and give me the shit about executives working harder its and olds boys club and if you haven’t figured that out, sucks to be you...
Totally agree with you about the inefficiency of government, nothing the government gets its hands on works. You’re making a business person argument, i say oversized you say inefficient when they are really one in the same (for the most part),
Favoritism is the name of the game dude, like it or not i think that is human nature and not going anywhere. Besides that though, where would they make up the lost revenue by dropping corporate taxes?
No what I’m saying is the states should be left to decide social issues to themselves baring extreme circumstances. EX: mom and dad want to abort kid, known to have severe birth defects and may kill the mom but state says no because Jesus sez so.
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elax420 said: Increasing workers pay doesn’t necessarily raise prices for consumers either.
How about just have the executives make 99 million instead of 100.
1. yes it will
2. thats not capitalism.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: k00laid]
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elax420 said: Increasing workers pay doesn’t necessarily raise prices for consumers either.
How about just have the executives make 99 million instead of 100.
1. yes it will
2. thats not capitalism.
but man, like, the corporate fat cats are taking all the food from the african babies
like, everything should be free, man. why do we even use money? money makes people evil man.
we should redistribute all wealth on a global scale. to hell with competition and innovation.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: NWlight]
#19325241 - 12/25/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bailouts arent capitalism either
all those aforementioned CEOs should be out of jobs right now.
capitalism works, but what we have isnt capitalism.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: k00laid]
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didnt the government just sell its shares in GM at an 80% loss or something too? 
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: k00laid]
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k00laid said: bailouts arent capitalism either
all those aforementioned CEOs should be out of jobs right now.
capitalism works, but what we have isnt capitalism.
The government caused the problem. Let's fire them all first.
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NWlight said: didnt the government just sell its shares in GM at an 80% loss or something too? 
great job guys, all around
It wasn't that much. I think we took a 10B hit. The banks? Profit for the taxpayer.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19325303 - 12/25/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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k00laid said: bailouts arent capitalism either
all those aforementioned CEOs should be out of jobs right now.
capitalism works, but what we have isnt capitalism.
The government caused the problem. Let's fire them all first.
i guess thats ok
as long as we get the banksters sooner or later
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: k00laid]
#19326106 - 12/25/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh man there is nothing i love more than arguing economic policy with hippies that only speak in dichotomies.
Arguing for pure capitalism is just as stupid as arguing for pure socialism, which is why nobody does it.
Explain to me how raising employee wages, by law, raises prices on goods.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
#19326474 - 12/25/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elax420 said: Explain to me how raising employee wages, raises prices on goods.
store owners will not take a cut in their annual profit.
so they will raise prices of goods.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: k00laid]
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elax420 said: Explain to me how raising employee wages, raises prices on goods.
store owners will not take a cut in their annual profit.
so they will raise prices of goods.
Store Owners?
We are talking about walmart..... (a multinational corporation)
That is an incredibly simplistic way of looking at it, i guess. Walmarts profit margin has got to be fucking insane, plus its not like they stock their store with high quality shit. Account in all the money they lose on lawsuits, and the PR hits they take, plus employee turnover and I’m sure it would be beneficial to pay their guys a livable wage. But they pay accountants and finance guys 6 figures to compound numbers like that.
All i was saying is that their executives make a ludicrous amount of money, compared to even middle and senior management. I think the average exec in america makes 64$ to every $ their counterparts in management. Judging by that fact that we are talking about this on a Mushroom website leads me to believe you aren’t a beneficiary of such a fucked up corporate power structure.
Don’t even try and pin me as a hippy/commie or whatever either, just because i believe in being decent to your employees and am not a fan of slave like labor. Go back to wherever your family emigrated from if you like rampant cronyism and corruption. Im still a dick and huge supporter of capitalism, I’m just not that much of a horrible person. Plus a happy employee is at least 2x (I’m sure you can find the exact number for this) as efficient as a disaffected one.
Have you been into walmart recently? Half of the staff at mine seem so fucking high they can’t even focus their eyes, and probably steal more from walmart than they make.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
#19327740 - 12/26/13 05:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great video. I've always considered mankind's worst ideas to be politics, religion, and money. These three have caused so much trouble and held us back so much over the centuries.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: Explain to me how raising employee wages, raises prices on goods.
store owners will not take a cut in their annual profit.
so they will raise prices of goods.
Store Owners?
We are talking about walmart..... (a multinational corporation)
i thought we were talking about raising minimum wage.
walmart isnt the only place that is required to follow minimum wage laws.
so then lets talk specifically about walmart.
walmart will follow the minimum wage increases (because they have to) and as you said because they have huge profit margins they are able to take a cut at the highest level to keep prices low
which then forces every other grocery store out of business because they can't afford to take losses.
(ps, this is how walmart operates in general. they will take losses until the competition cant afford to stay open)
so raising the minimum wage will further monopolize walmart.
yaaaaaay.
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#19328907 - 12/26/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elax420 said: That was one of the worst TED talks I’ve seen, all their numbers and studies were subjective as shit and all had confounding variables out the ass.
“science”

Taking a look at this thread it seems its evolved into the typical Republican/Democrat shit.
All i gotta say is we better stop incentivizing growth. Population is getting out of control as is, what is it going to look like in 30 years?
Nobody will say it because it does sound terrible, but people gotta start dying. Its a dog eat dog world, and the truth hurts sometimes but everything isn’t all roses and sunshine 
If the lowest strata of society keeps reproducing at its current rate we are going to see some terrible famines, wars, you name it.
forced sterilization anyone 
This is what I've been saying for the LOOOOONGEST time!! Fucking heterosexuals (and hell, even fucking gay people who have kids) REALLY need to quit having babies and overpopulating the world!!!! And I've known for the LONGEST time that only the DUMBEST motherfuckers in the world BREED. Less intelligence means you don't use your brain and THINK as much as more intelligent people, meaning they just don't think before having unprotected sex. The people I see having the most accidental pregnancies are the DUMBEST races, like mexicans and blacks.
Is it really that difficult to think, "Hey, I should probably use a condom before sticking my dick in this pussy!!!" Wow!!! What a fucking concept!!!
Seriously, when I'm driving on the road, all I see is TRAFFIC!! You know where this traffic comes from???!! From fucking stupid people breeding and overpopulating the world.
QUIT FUCKING HAVING BABIES!!!!
Oh, and this thread has totally lost track.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: occollegeboi]
#19329107 - 12/26/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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People like saying overpopulation is a problem.
They also like criticizing the "illuminati" for their supposed plans to decrease the world population significantly

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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: k00laid]
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k00laid said:
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k00laid said: bailouts arent capitalism either
all those aforementioned CEOs should be out of jobs right now.
capitalism works, but what we have isnt capitalism.
The government caused the problem. Let's fire them all first.
i guess thats ok
as long as we get the banksters sooner or later
I'd rather put assholes who don't repay the money they borrow in jail.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: k00laid]
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k00laid said:
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elax420 said: Explain to me how raising employee wages, raises prices on goods.
store owners will not take a cut in their annual profit.
so they will raise prices of goods.
Store Owners?
We are talking about walmart..... (a multinational corporation)
i thought we were talking about raising minimum wage.
walmart isnt the only place that is required to follow minimum wage laws.
so then lets talk specifically about walmart.
walmart will follow the minimum wage increases (because they have to) and as you said because they have huge profit margins they are able to take a cut at the highest level to keep prices low
which then forces every other grocery store out of business because they can't afford to take losses.
(ps, this is how walmart operates in general. they will take losses until the competition cant afford to stay open)
so raising the minimum wage will further monopolize walmart.
yaaaaaay.
Not even talking about raising minimum wage so this is irrelevant.
People that talk about the “illuminati” aren’t exactly the sharpest tools in the shed.
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if you think the world is over populated kill yourself.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Deathcore]
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occollegeboi said: This is what I've been saying for the LOOOOONGEST time!! Fucking heterosexuals (and hell, even fucking gay people who have kids) REALLY need to quit having babies and overpopulating the world!!!! And I've known for the LONGEST time that only the DUMBEST motherfuckers in the world BREED. Less intelligence means you don't use your brain and THINK as much as more intelligent people, meaning they just don't think before having unprotected sex. The people I see having the most accidental pregnancies are the DUMBEST races, like mexicans and blacks.
Is it really that difficult to think, "Hey, I should probably use a condom before sticking my dick in this pussy!!!" Wow!!! What a fucking concept!!!
Seriously, when I'm driving on the road, all I see is TRAFFIC!! You know where this traffic comes from???!! From fucking stupid people breeding and overpopulating the world.
QUIT FUCKING HAVING BABIES!!!!
Oh, and this thread has totally lost track.
I'm assuming "OC college Boi" stands for "Orange County College Boy," and actually, the traffic stems from the fact that housing costs are so high, that many people cannot afford to live close by to where they work.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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And also that people like their cars way too fucking much.
Seriously some people develop some creepy relationships with those things. I think it would be cool as shit to live walking distance from everywhere you need to go (like european style cities) thereby eliminating the need for cars.
They are fun but i try to drive mine as little as possible because its fuckng expensive and wasteful. Not trying to sound self righteous because i do it too, but by driving everywhere you are just adding to the problem.
By the way thinking that race has anything to do with intelligence makes me doubt your intelligence.
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elax420 said: And also that people like their cars way too fucking much.
Seriously some people develop some creepy relationships with those things. I think it would be cool as shit to live walking distance from everywhere you need to go (like european style cities) thereby eliminating the need for cars.
They are fun but i try to drive mine as little as possible because its fuckng expensive and wasteful. Not trying to sound self righteous because i do it too, but by driving everywhere you are just adding to the problem.
I would do the same if I didn't live in So Cal, but unfortunately, public bus systems are absolutely awful here. They only come by once every hour, and they are sometimes between 20 and 60 minutes late!
First, the US needs to completely revamp the public transit system. Make it more like Tokyo or NYC for people to commute that way.
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By the way thinking that race has anything to do with intelligence makes me doubt your intelligence.
He's from Orange County, home of the bigots and GW Bush Republicans. What else did you expect? He's probably a conservative, but has no reason for why except that his parents voted for that guy too.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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Totally agreed.
I have no idea why we don’t have a high speed rail system, seems like it would be a great way to help the economy. Infastructure is always a solid investment and that would provide a shit ton of jobs. But most republicans would never be down for that because government spending always=bad, Global warming is a farce perpetrated by the leftwing media, and we have unlimited oil as long as the tree huggers just let us drill baby drill 
My city has a lot of shit to encourage cycling. We get pretty bad gridlock but there are bike lanes all over the city. They also have this really cool program thats like a bike collective. I have my own bike so I’ve never used it, but they have bike stands all over and you just grab one for free and drop it off at another stand. It seems really cool. We also have a really good light rail system.
to you people that think driving isn’t bad and don’t give a shit about the environment check this shit out
 Its a relatively small city that gets as bad of air as fucking Bejing in the winter.
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elax420 said: Totally agreed.
I have no idea why we don’t have a high speed rail system, seems like it would be a great way to help the economy. Infastructure is always a solid investment and that would provide a shit ton of jobs. But most republicans would never be down for that because government spending always=bad, Global warming is a farce perpetrated by the leftwing media, and we have unlimited oil as long as the tree huggers just let us drill baby drill 
Apparently in the 1950's Los Angeles was supposed to create a complex metropolis transit system. Ford Motors bought it out, so the railways never went to construction.
I never owned a car in cities that had good public transit. Long Beach, Las Vegas, Tokyo... all cities with relatively good public transportation, obviously Tokyo being the best. But living where I do now in OC, I would never even be able to get to work without taking 5 hours out of my day... and that would be for 1-way transportation.
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He's from Orange County, home of the bigots and GW Bush Republicans. What else did you expect? He's probably a conservative, but has no reason for why except that his parents voted for that guy too.
Excuse me but liberals think Negroes are too stupid to make it on their own and conservatives think they can. Who's racist again?
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elax420 said: Totally agreed.
I have no idea why we don’t have a high speed rail system, seems like it would be a great way to help the economy. Infastructure is always a solid investment and that would provide a shit ton of jobs. But most republicans would never be down for that because government spending always=bad, Global warming is a farce perpetrated by the leftwing media, and we have unlimited oil as long as the tree huggers just let us drill baby drill 
1. High speed rail is extremely expensive and of limited utility in our spread out geography. If it was cost effective the private sector would be making money from it. As it is passenger rail service has to be subsidized everywhere, even NYC which is.
2. There is not one shred of evidence for AGW and no warming at all for over 15 years even while CO2 continues to rise. The media (and Al Gore) makes money by ginning up scares. In the seventies it was a coming ice age.
3. Nobody thinks we have unlimited oil but we have a lot more than the tree hugging retards think we do.Quote:
My city has a lot of shit to encourage cycling. We get pretty bad gridlock but there are bike lanes all over the city. They also have this really cool program thats like a bike collective. I have my own bike so I’ve never used it, but they have bike stands all over and you just grab one for free and drop it off at another stand. It seems really cool. We also have a really good light rail system.
to you people that think driving isn’t bad and don’t give a shit about the environment check this shit out
 Its a relatively small city that gets as bad of air as fucking Bejing in the winter.
Basin and range temperature inversion keeps the smog close to the ground.
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He's from Orange County, home of the bigots and GW Bush Republicans. What else did you expect? He's probably a conservative, but has no reason for why except that his parents voted for that guy too.
Excuse me but liberals think Negroes are too stupid to make it on their own and conservatives think they can. Who's racist again?
All that aside, Orange County is notorious for espousing racist viewpoints. The "Obama is a Muslim Kenyan" trope started from this county, for godsake's.
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Wow dude, you actually had me thinking you were kinda clever for a second, and an old school conservative not the head up their ass tea party type.
You’re saying there is no use for high speed rail (travels at 200 mph) connecting cities separated by great distance? You do know Europe has high speed rail? oh ya its better to drive my car at an average speed of 75 miles (if I’m lucky) next to hundreds of other single passengers for like 15 hours to get to LA, instead of sitting on a high capacity train with those same people and get there in probably 4 hours?
you sure had me fooled for a minute. ---
Inversion: No shit, you know how to use google, congratulations. Ive lived here for quite a while you don’t think i know what an inversion is? Ya the inversion is natural, the vast majority of that shit you see is pollution from cars, and the pollution gets worse every year. Wow the numbers of cars on the road, and population increases every year. Who would have thought it? and in other places where inversion occurs but the population is lower the air isn’t as bad.
Leave it to a conservative(i don’t even know if i can call you that tea bagger is what i should use) to determine that humans are the not the cause of that, and it is simply a "natural cycle" 
"2. There is not one shred of evidence for AGW and no warming at all for over 15 years even while CO2 continues to rise. The media (and Al Gore) makes money by ginning up scares. In the seventies it was a coming ice age.”
This is the dumbest thing i have ever seen you post, and I’m seriously doubting that you actually went to college now. Not a shred of evidence, really? You ever heard of Paleoclimatology?
Here you go dude, i can’t remember the actual data site that climate scientists use, that they made go to for my geology class but here is the same basic thing
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/



Ya temperature isn’t increasing but all the glaciers are disappearing, droughts are becoming more persistent, and the data literally proves it. Oh and Global warming was created by Al Gore(not even a scientist) created this to make money and got 97 out of a 100 climate scientists to play along (all agree its happening the only dissension is in what is causing it) and got nasa and the noaa to fake a bunch a data. Now you are going to go and blame the media? The media is the only reason why people who have no expertise in natural sciences at all get any time of day. “I’m a PHD (biblical studies) and i can tell you 100 percent that Global warming is not happening."
delusion at its finest ladies and gents
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: Wow dude, you actually had me thinking you were kinda clever for a second, and an old school conservative not the head up their ass tea party type.
You’re saying there is no use for high speed rail (travels at 200 mph) connecting cities separated by great distance? You do know Europe has high speed rail? oh ya its better to drive my car at an average speed of 75 miles (if I’m lucky) next to hundreds of other single passengers for like 15 hours to get to LA, instead of sitting on a high capacity train with those same people and get there in probably 4 hours?
you sure had me fooled for a minute.
Why are you incapable of realizing that if something is cost effective and desirable it will be provided by the private sector. Even in the immediate suburbs of NYC regular rail service, not the super expensive high speed rail, with millions of riders, still has to be subsidized. Imagine the size of the taxpayer screwing high speed rail will create. I shudder.Quote:
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Inversion: No shit, you know how to use google, congratulations. Ive lived here for quite a while you don’t think i know what an inversion is? Ya the inversion is natural, the vast majority of that shit you see is pollution from cars, and the pollution gets worse every year. Wow the numbers of cars on the road, and population increases every year. Who would have thought it? and in other places where inversion occurs but the population is lower the air isn’t as bad.
I knew about basin and range temperature inversions since before you were bornQuote:
Leave it to a conservative(i don’t even know if i can call you that tea bagger is what i should use) to determine that humans are the not the cause of that, and it is simply a "natural cycle" 
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"2. There is not one shred of evidence for AGW and no warming at all for over 15 years even while CO2 continues to rise. The media (and Al Gore) makes money by ginning up scares. In the seventies it was a coming ice age.”
This is the dumbest thing i have ever seen you post, and I’m seriously doubting that you actually went to college now. Not a shred of evidence, really? You ever heard of Paleoclimatology?
Here you go dude, i can’t remember the actual data site that climate scientists use, that they made go to for my geology class but here is the same basic thing
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/



Ya temperature isn’t increasing but all the glaciers are disappearing, droughts are becoming more persistent, and the data literally proves it. Oh and Global warming was created by Al Gore(not even a scientist) created this to make money and got 97 out of a 100 climate scientists to play along (all agree its happening the only dissension is in what is causing it) and got nasa and the noaa to fake a bunch a data. Now you are going to go and blame the media? The media is the only reason why people who have no expertise in natural sciences at all get any time of day. “I’m a PHD (biblical studies) and i can tell you 100 percent that Global warming is not happening."
delusion at its finest ladies and gents
You don't even know what AGW stands for if you are citing paleoclimatology.
The alarmists' predictions have not been realized. Glaciers have been melting for centuries. CO2 emissions continue to rise and we have seen exactly zero warming for 15 years. The climate is constantly changing. Good thing, too.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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When will you be capable of making a post that doesn’t make my eyes bleed with its fucked up formatting. Do you not realize how huge the startup costs are? I forgot the private sector built the interstate system......
Honestly I’m not a geologists but I’m pretty sure humans didn’t start thriving until far after the ice age. I actually didn’t know what AGW means because its really fucking unprofessional to use acronyms. Human caused Global warming, right? Paleoclimatology basically proves the shit we have been putting in the air has had an adverse effect on climate
God i wish i was that old and delusional. Guess climate change and overpopulation won’t even effect you anyway, so ya go burn a stack of tires and empty your oil down the storm drain YOLO Brah!
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: When will you be capable of making a post that doesn’t make my eyes bleed with its fucked up formatting. Do you not realize how huge the startup costs are? I forgot the private sector built the interstate system......
Honestly I’m not a geologists but I’m pretty sure humans didn’t start thriving until far after the ice age. I actually didn’t know what AGW means because its really fucking unprofessional to use acronyms. Human caused Global warming, right? Paleoclimatology basically proves the shit we have been putting in the air has had an adverse effect on climate
God i wish i was that old and delusional. Guess climate change and overpopulation won’t even effect you anyway, so ya go burn a stack of tires and empty your oil down the storm drain YOLO Brah!
You still don't get it. Climate change is a constant factor. The climate always changes. What does that have to do with pouring oil down a storm sewer or burning tires? Not one thing. Paleoclimatology proves that the climate changes even if we don't exist at all.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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No shit. No one is arguing that there aren’t natural cycles.
If you think Humans have no influence over climate, i don’t even know what to say dude. Your head is so far up your ass on this one its not even worth talking about.
Its almost as stupid as a flat earth argument.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: No shit. No one is arguing that there aren’t natural cycles.
If you think Humans have no influence over climate, i don’t even know what to say dude. Your head is so far up your ass on this one its not even worth talking about.
Its almost as stupid as a flat earth argument.
I'm sorry that your education has been such a failure that you cannot see that these alarmists are making huge bank. In the seventies and eighties it was the cooling scare. Now it's a warming scare even though it has been zero for over 15 years while CO2 emissions are rising still. They make all these predictions and they never pan out. Remember Paul Ehrlich? Of course not, you are 17.
Do humans have an effect on the climate. Of course they do. Every single species does. Every one. Do you know why we have oxygen in the atmosphere? Single celled organism acting over millions of years. The argument being presented by the alarmists is that we need to stop using the single greatest boon to mankind because it is increasing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere from 0.03% to 0.04%. Riiiiight. And that's what ended the ice age. The natural forces at work that affect the global temperature are so mammoth that they render irrelevant any CO2 increase. There is also this
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/04/dr-vincent-gray-on-historical-carbon-dioxide-levels/
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It will be seen that there is no correlation whatsoever between carbon dioxide concentration and the temperature at the earth’s surface.
During the latter part of the Carboniferous, the Permian and the first half of the Triassic period, 250-320 million years ago, carbon dioxide concentration was half what it is today but the temperature was 10ºC higher than today . Oxygen in the atmosphere fluctuated from 15 to 35% during this period
From the Cretaceous to the Eocene 35 to 100 million years ago, a high temperature went with declining carbon dioxide.
The theory that carbon dioxide concentration is related to the temperature of the earth’s surface is therefore wrong.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Quawonk]
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Nice bit of bullshit. Cheap energy from hydrocarbons is what has afforded us the luxury to even think about those. Children are healthier than ever, green jobs are bullshit, the water and air are cleaner now than they were when I was a kid. Renewables? Does that mean recycling? Like plastics (made from petroleum and utterly essential. We could have energy independence in the US in a decade or so if we would just drill for our own stuff. We have the resources. Wind and solar will never amount to shit and I don't like chopping the little birdies to bits. What does oil have to do with killing rainforests? Sustainability? We need hydrocarbon energy to sustain the life we live until we get fusion. Everything else is bullshit and if we don't get fusion we are totally fucked anyway.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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God i wish i was still 17 zappa, getting old sucks and shit.....
Like i said your opinion on this is so fucked its not even worth discussing.
lets debate how evolution is a farce next.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
#19337139 - 12/28/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Every child who gets her ass kicked always wants to bring up another subject. If you can provide any proof at all that human caused emissions of CO2 are deleterious I will be more than happy to entertain it. So far there is none. Not one single flimsy thread. I would even go further and assert that warming is not necessarily a bad thing for humanity in general. See ice age. Was warming bad then? Just what is the optimal global temperature for various species? I suspect polar bears and penguins would prefer another ice age. Humans and iguanas? Not so much.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19337165 - 12/28/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I gave you an excellent post that you ignored.
Humans are actually pretty fuckign sensitive to the temperature due to the crops we are reliant on, but i wouldn’t expect a guy that thinks global warming is a farce orchestrated by literally every scientist masterminded by Al Gore to be know that
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
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Humans are actually pretty fuckign sensitive to the temperature due to the crops we are reliant on, but i wouldn’t expect a guy that thinks global warming is a farce orchestrated by literally every scientist masterminded by Al Gore to be know that 
Wouldn't you think it would actually be better if it was warmer?. Stop with the "literally every scientist" crap. It is a well documented lie. The chief of HADCRU has said there has been no warming for over 15 years.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19337259 - 12/28/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright dude whatever, I’m sorry but acting PHD’s have a little more credibility in the matter than a carpenter that likes arguing about polarizing issues with teenagers and 20 somethings, thinking he is going to create an army of little republicans.
What i don’t get about conservatives is you think Global Warming (at least on a personal level), Gay marriage, Abortion and MJ legalization would be their issues. Yet for the most part they fight it all tooth and nail.
All their issues don’t meet what they define themselves as for the most part. They want everything they support federally mandated and are huge supporters of medicare/medicade
so much for small government
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
#19337295 - 12/28/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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elax420 said: Alright dude whatever, I’m sorry but acting PHD’s have a little more credibility in the matter than a carpenter that likes arguing about polarizing issues with teenagers and 20 somethings, thinking he is going to create an army of little republicans.
You have a PhD? I posted my sourcesQuote:
What i don’t get about conservatives is you think Global Warming (at least on a personal level), Gay marriage, Abortion and MJ legalization would be their issues. Yet for the most part they fight it all tooth and nail.
Once again, the endless straw men. This conservative doesn't think the government should have any say at all on marriage, abortion up to a point or drug use. You got me confused with some other guy. I think the AGW scare is a hoax. I also think that there is not one damn thing we can do about global CO2 emissions. Call me when the 2+ billion people of China and India are going to accept any restraints. They burn shit to cook over.Quote:
All their issues don’t meet what they define themselves as for the most part. They want everything they support federally mandated and are huge supporters of medicare/medicade
This is, of course, stupid shit and another straw manQuote:
so much for small government 
So much for being defined by ignorant liberals
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19337587 - 12/28/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nah i don’t have a PHD but you obviously haven’t been in an academic setting in years, most likely decades. You didn’t post any sources, all my shit comes from the NOAA, I’m assuming whatever you are talking about comes from Rush Limbaugh.
Im not talking about you, I’m talking about the conservative movement which is all very against everyone of those issues. Ya we are pretty much fucked when it comes to the environment, does that mean we should make no efforts to become a more sustainable population? I guess you are a huge fan of famine and nuclear war You really don’t think Pakistan will use its nukes when India takes all its water and its people are starving?
Oh conservatives aren’t huge supporters of Medicare and medicade? stop with this “straw man” internet arguing 101 jargon, if you used that shit in real life you would look autistic as fuck and no one would take you seriously. “ Actually that is a E pluribus unum fallacy, therefore your logic is in fact deficient, Huzzah another win for the atheist alliance!” 
and I’m not a liberal. Im so disenfranchised from both parties, i really really want to vote against these new wave dems but i can’t when republicans put retards like palin and romney against em Republicans need to get away from the god and guns bullshit that only rednecks care about. All their real candidates get dropped in the primary because cletus and trina feel like they are washington elite and are going to take their guns.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: Nah i don’t have a PHD but you obviously haven’t been in an academic setting in years, most likely decades. You didn’t post any sources, all my shit comes from the NOAA, I’m assuming whatever you are talking about comes from Rush Limbaugh.
I didn't post any of my sources? Here, let me do it again http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/04/dr-vincent-gray-on-historical-carbon-dioxide-levels/
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Im not talking about you, I’m talking about the conservative movement which is all very against everyone of those issues. Ya we are pretty much fucked when it comes to the environment, does that mean we should make no efforts to become a more sustainable population? I guess you are a huge fan of famine and nuclear war You really don’t think Pakistan will use its nukes when India takes all its water and its people are starving?
What the fuck does sustainable mean in this context? How are we fucked? You make no case except for a whine. I will ask again how do you know that a little warming won't have beneficial effects? There's a reason why humans evolved around the equator. It was warmer there. Quote:
Oh conservatives aren’t huge supporters of Medicare and medicade? stop with this “straw man” internet arguing 101 jargon, if you used that shit in real life you would look autistic as fuck and no one would take you seriously. “ Actually that is a E pluribus unum fallacy, therefore your logic is in fact deficient, Huzzah another win for the atheist alliance!” 
The people I have these discussions with understand what is relevant to an argument. What is the "e pluribus unum fallacy"? I've never heard of it but I do know about straw men and distractions.Quote:
and I’m not a liberal.
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Im so disenfranchised from both parties, i really really want to vote against these new wave dems but i can’t when republicans put retards like palin and romney against em Republicans need to get away from the god and guns bullshit that only rednecks care about. All their real candidates get dropped in the primary because cletus and trina feel like they are washington elite and are going to take their guns.
I don't think somebody who lives in Mom's basement has any business calling Palin a failure and definitely not Romney. By the way, the Dems do want to take away our guns.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Because i just got finished with a Natural Resource class this semester.
That source is fucked, the website is bogus and the PHD is a chemist. Lol. Funny thing is that is how energy companies push this bullshit and act like there is another side. They pay PHDs that have about as much understanding of the climate as i do about Sociology to act like professionals in the field. Seriously, if you have enough time to post on a shroom website all day, you should go take a Natural resource class.
I was making fun of you for saying shit you would never say in real life, less ye die of embarrassment.
Im not a liberal, I’m against entitlement programs, and believe in states rights. Just because I’m not a bible thumping blatant racist doesn’t mean I’m a liberal.
I don’t live in my moms basement but nice try. Im not calling palin or romney a failure, they are very good at what they do obviously. Palin is a functioning retard, and Romney is a weasely son of a bitch i wouldn’t trust to walk my dog. Stop putting words in my mouth. If you think those were the best members of the republican party that is very, very sad.
I don’t care what anyone does with my guns (which by you living in New York, i am positive i have more), its not like gun legislation stops me from doing anything. Clearly drug legislation stopped drug abuse only an idiot would vote for president based on their stance on gun control.....
Ill still own guns and smoke weed regardless of the law says. You yankees need to grow some balls and stop letting johnny law control every little facet of your life, you huge flaming liberal.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: and I’m not a liberal.
The fuck you aren't
So everybody who believes in anthropomorphic climate change is a liberal? 
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I don't think somebody who lives in Mom's basement has any business calling Palin a failure and definitely not Romney. By the way, the Dems do want to take away our guns.
Damn, Zap. For a second, you almost had my respect when you said that you were a REAGAN Republican. That, I still can respect. But a Dubya Republican, or a PALIN Republican.... you sir, have completely lost my respect again.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
#19339755 - 12/29/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You like Reagan republicans?
Holy shit, Reagan is the guy who singlehandedly destroyed the republican party. Now the only candidates that have a chance are born again “family values” gun toting, military stroking, christians, and not being religious enough is actually a thing. I guess the last two candidates they put forward were decent guys up until the point they tried to run for president and flip flopped on every issue.
Reagan was the most disingenuous mothefucker that gets shit attributed to him that he had very little to do with. Everyone who thinks Reagan is the greatest president can’t even think of anything that makes him great.
Shitty economic policy and scandal? Iran Contra? Just Say No? Space wars?
I guess bush does have that retard Ashcroft that tried to cover the lady of justice’s tit because it is too obscene but reagan was terrible. I don’t even know what Clinton did that makes all democrats worship him like repubs worship Reagan. Atleast Clinton wasn’t senile while in office.
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The fuck you aren't
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I don't think somebody who lives in Mom's basement has any business calling Palin a failure and definitely not Romney. By the way, the Dems do want to take away our guns.
Damn, Zap. For a second, you almost had my respect when you said that you were a REAGAN Republican. That, I still can respect. But a Dubya Republican, or a PALIN Republican.... you sir, have completely lost my respect again. 
I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative. W was not a conservative and everyhting you know about Palin has been spoon fed drivel from a corrupt media that demonizes any member of an identity group that they believe should pledge allegiance to Democrats. They do the same thing with conservative Negroes.
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You are a conspiracy nutter too, thats pretty funny.
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You think that's a conspiracy? It's just their nature. They aren't smart enough to conspire.
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Dude, there is no such thing as a liberal media. Just think about it. Every single channel on TV is basically owned by 8 of the biggest TV corporations. You think whoever's in charge of these corporations is going to deliberately espouse liberal viewpoints?
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Crystal G said: Dude, there is no such thing as a liberal media. Just think about it. Every single channel on TV is basically owned by 8 of the biggest TV corporations. You think whoever's in charge of these corporations is going to deliberately espouse liberal viewpoints?
Most wealthy people I know are liberal so yea that doesn't surprise me they have controlled the media and the vast majority colleges for a long time.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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elax420 said: No shit. No one is arguing that there aren’t natural cycles.
If you think Humans have no influence over climate, i don’t even know what to say dude. Your head is so far up your ass on this one its not even worth talking about.
Its almost as stupid as a flat earth argument.
I'm sorry that your education has been such a failure that you cannot see that these alarmists are making huge bank. In the seventies and eighties it was the cooling scare. Now it's a warming scare even though it has been zero for over 15 years while CO2 emissions are rising still. They make all these predictions and they never pan out. Remember Paul Ehrlich? Of course not, you are 17.
Do humans have an effect on the climate. Of course they do. Every single species does. Every one. Do you know why we have oxygen in the atmosphere? Single celled organism acting over millions of years. The argument being presented by the alarmists is that we need to stop using the single greatest boon to mankind because it is increasing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere from 0.03% to 0.04%. Riiiiight. And that's what ended the ice age. The natural forces at work that affect the global temperature are so mammoth that they render irrelevant any CO2 increase. There is also this
http://science.time.com/2013/11/01/oceans-warming-faster-than-they-have-over-past-10000-years/ For fucks sake dude, come off it. You're just as bad as the extreme liberals you hate with such vehemence. Calm down and realize that everyone here needs to do a lot more research. Single greatest boon? Unless you've got a degree in the sciences, please take your own opinion with a grain of salt. Undergoing a resource/labor intensive active harvesting and subsequent refinement for a burnable substance to create energy is mindlessly sophomoric from a thermodynamic standpoint, our clinging to it is like us subsidizing vacuum tube computing decades after integrated circuits had demonstrated its superiority, and is exactly the reason why such a dated energy production paradigm still reigns. It's difficult for a crappy antiquated technology to fail when it's backed by governments worldwide. I'm sure you disagree with me with your regular angsty arrogance and I don't much care, everyone will reap the benefits of legitimately inexpensive energy once oil/gas die their long overdue death. The "alarmists making huge bank" is completely overshadowed by the financial incentives of oil/gas executives, so I'm not sure what your point is there. 97% of scientists certainly aren't agreeing on something because renewable companies have more financial influence than oil/gas. Even if it has no environmental impact, the economic consequences of associated health risks are enough for other options to warrant development...hence China's current dilemma and move towards cleaner energy. CO2 isn't the major contributor fwiw. This said, government does not need its hands in the game. Full divestment is the only logical path from my perspective, but given our current spending, that course actually benefits non-oil/gas technologies. Fwiw, I'm a moderate, and I hate being in the middle for political issues.
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Have you ever actually watched them? Are you joking? Being a corporation has nothing to do with it. Do you even understand the purpose of incorporation?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Xingu]
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elax420 said: No shit. No one is arguing that there aren’t natural cycles.
If you think Humans have no influence over climate, i don’t even know what to say dude. Your head is so far up your ass on this one its not even worth talking about.
Its almost as stupid as a flat earth argument.
I'm sorry that your education has been such a failure that you cannot see that these alarmists are making huge bank. In the seventies and eighties it was the cooling scare. Now it's a warming scare even though it has been zero for over 15 years while CO2 emissions are rising still. They make all these predictions and they never pan out. Remember Paul Ehrlich? Of course not, you are 17.
Do humans have an effect on the climate. Of course they do. Every single species does. Every one. Do you know why we have oxygen in the atmosphere? Single celled organism acting over millions of years. The argument being presented by the alarmists is that we need to stop using the single greatest boon to mankind because it is increasing the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere from 0.03% to 0.04%. Riiiiight. And that's what ended the ice age. The natural forces at work that affect the global temperature are so mammoth that they render irrelevant any CO2 increase. There is also this
http://science.time.com/2013/11/01/oceans-warming-faster-than-they-have-over-past-10000-years/ For fucks sake dude, come off it. You're just as bad as the extreme liberals you hate with such vehemence. Calm down and realize that everyone here needs to do a lot more research. Single greatest boon? Unless you've got a degree in the sciences, please take your own opinion with a grain of salt. Undergoing a resource/labor intensive active harvesting and subsequent refinement for a burnable substance to create energy is mindlessly sophomoric from a thermodynamic standpoint, our clinging to it is like us subsidizing vacuum tube computing decades after integrated circuits had demonstrated its superiority, and is exactly the reason why such a dated energy production paradigm still reigns. It's difficult for a crappy antiquated technology to fail when it's backed by governments worldwide. I'm sure you disagree with me with your regular angsty arrogance and I don't much care, everyone will reap the benefits of legitimately inexpensive energy once oil/gas die their long overdue death. The "alarmists making huge bank" is completely overshadowed by the financial incentives of oil/gas executives, so I'm not sure what your point is there. 97% of scientists certainly aren't agreeing on something because renewable companies have more financial influence than oil/gas. Even if it has no environmental impact, the economic consequences of associated health risks are enough for other options to warrant development...hence China's current dilemma and move towards cleaner energy. CO2 isn't the major contributor fwiw. This said, government does not need its hands in the game. Full divestment is the only logical path from my perspective, but given our current spending, that course actually benefits non-oil/gas technologies. Fwiw, I'm a moderate, and I hate being in the middle for political issues.
Cheap energy is the single greatest boon to humanity and the source of cheap energy for several decades, which coincides with the single greatest period of human prosperity, has been fossil fuels. This is indisputable fact and I am 100% sure causal.
The climate changes. It always has, it always will. For any bunch of nutcases to suggest that we should curtail our prosperity for some dubious fear that increasing a trace gas by 0.01% of the atmosphere's composition will destroy the planet is beyond run of the mill stupidity. What do you think the Chinese and the Indians have to say about this, anyway. They laugh at the West's suicide pacts it makes with itself.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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as they choke to death on their own pollution.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Yeah, so?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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So their emissions are dangerous, and shit. At least at the levels we currently...emit.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: So their emissions are dangerous, and shit. At least at the levels we currently...emit.
What do you mean by "we" Kemosabe. Their emissions of what are dangerous?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Vehicles, coal fired plants, mines and industrial operations. Things of that nature.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Vehicles, coal fired plants, mines and industrial operations. Things of that nature.
Well we must surely end all of those things post haste.
What do you think China and India will do?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Who said anything about ending anything? Intelligent compromises rather then going buck fucking wild with maximizing profits would do a lot to keep the quality of life up.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Do you or do you not want to curtail the use of fossil fuels for some imagined benefit? This is simple. I'm not talking about soot or scrubbers in stacks or catalytic converters or any of that. None of those things has anything to do with the devil CO2
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Crystal G said: Dude, there is no such thing as a liberal media. Just think about it. Every single channel on TV is basically owned by 8 of the biggest TV corporations. You think whoever's in charge of these corporations is going to deliberately espouse liberal viewpoints?
Have you ever actually watched them? Are you joking? Being a corporation has nothing to do with it. Do you even understand the purpose of incorporation?
I went to a private school where literally every other person (except for 1 person besides me) in the entire school was a conservative Republican, and they constantly talked about this "liberal media." Except that the examples that they provided to prove the existence of this so-called "liberal media" was always lame. They would pick up a Newsweek magazine and be like, "Look at how stupid GW Bush looks on the cover! The liberal media is ALWAYS using pictures where Bush looks stupid to try and discredit him!"
I have yet to see real examples of this "liberal media."
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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Have you ever actually watched them? Are you joking? Being a corporation has nothing to do with it. Do you even understand the purpose of incorporation?
I went to a private school where literally every other person (except for 1 person besides me) in the entire school was a conservative Republican, and they constantly talked about this "liberal media." Except that the examples that they provided to prove the existence of this so-called "liberal media" was always lame. They would pick up a Newsweek magazine and be like, "Look at how stupid GW Bush looks on the cover! The liberal media is ALWAYS using pictures where Bush looks stupid to try and discredit him!"
I have yet to see real examples of this "liberal media."
Practically every news article I read is slanted to the left same with the major networks with the exception of fox although the liberals wish to shut it down because they don't like any competition.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Do you or do you not want to curtail the use of fossil fuels for some imagined benefit? This is simple. I'm not talking about soot or scrubbers in stacks or catalytic converters or any of that. None of those things has anything to do with the devil CO2
CO2? I'm talking about a far broader spectrum of pollutants. Anyone who isnt half retarded would realize climate change is perfectly natural.
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Gilgamesh18]
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No. Most news stations simply report news and facts. The only time anything is "slanted" left or right, is when people add COMMENTARIES to the news.
Also I've seen CBS and NBC cover illegal immigration and Medicare scandals, which I hardly call "left."
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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Ha well I guess well have to agree to disagree
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Dude, there is no such thing as a liberal media. Just think about it. Every single channel on TV is basically owned by 8 of the biggest TV corporations. You think whoever's in charge of these corporations is going to deliberately espouse liberal viewpoints?
Have you ever actually watched them? Are you joking? Being a corporation has nothing to do with it. Do you even understand the purpose of incorporation?
I went to a private school where literally every other person (except for 1 person besides me) in the entire school was a conservative Republican, and they constantly talked about this "liberal media." Except that the examples that they provided to prove the existence of this so-called "liberal media" was always lame. They would pick up a Newsweek magazine and be like, "Look at how stupid GW Bush looks on the cover! The liberal media is ALWAYS using pictures where Bush looks stupid to try and discredit him!"
I have yet to see real examples of this "liberal media."
MSNBC. Dan Rather. NY Times. Wa Po. LA Times. ABC. CBS. Then there is the not so much more subtle Hollywood. If you can't see it you aren't paying attention.
The fact that the children you went to school with couldn't validate their claims to your childish requirements does not invalidate the premise.
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No. They slant liberal in what they choose to report on and how they choose to report on it. I get the NY Times delivered to my step everyday, read it and could flag a dozen examples on the front page alone of slanted reprting on any given day.Quote:
Also I've seen CBS and NBC cover illegal immigration and Medicare scandals, which I hardly call "left."
If CBS and NBC cover illegal border crashing scum scandals it is in the favor of the illegal border jumping scum. The only scandal for medicare with those assholes is that somebody providing services cheated. They never bitch about the cheaters getting the srvices
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: zappaisgod]
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I really don't see anything left about it, unless you're talking about things such as abortion and gays. Which really, if most people in this nation are for, then you really can't call it "left," but "moderate."
I'm referring to fiscal conservatism, not social conservatism. Which, if you open the business section of NY Times or LA Times, there are many conservatives and moderates in the paper as well.
Most journalists are actually what I would refer to as "moderate." Is anybody advocating for truly revolutionary and extreme, rebellious political ideologies? No, they aren't. They simply cater to the status quo of popular opinion. They are moderate.
For instance, name me one journalist in any of these famous publications that advocates for communism or complete social democracy. You won't find any, because these news stations are MODERATE.
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Crystal G said: I really don't see anything left about it, unless you're talking about things such as abortion and gays. Which really, if most people in this nation are for, then you really can't call it "left," but "moderate."
They constantly blather that the government needs to control more of the commerce of the nation. That is the leftitude.Quote:
I'm referring to fiscal conservatism, not social conservatism. Which, if you open the business section of NY Times or LA Times, there are many conservatives and moderates in the paper as well.
I read the NY Times every day. Their business section is extremely liberal, especially when they venture from 100% fact reporting. They spin everything.Quote:
Most journalists are actually what I would refer to as "moderate." Is anybody advocating for truly revolutionary and extreme, rebellious political ideologies? No, they aren't. They simply cater to the status quo of popular opinion. They are moderate.
If you think most journalists are moderate you are a flaming commieQuote:
For instance, name me one journalist in any of these famous publications that advocates for communism or complete social democracy. You won't find any, because these news stations are MODERATE.
Bullshit. NY Times. Eduardo Porter from the business section comes instantly to mind. Charles Blow. Paul Krugman. Gail Collins. Maureen Dowd. Flaming liberal nutjobs. Theer is notihng moderate about these people and you would know this if you actually read them. Gretchen Morgensen, another one from the business section.
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I am familiar the most with Paul Krugman but I don't remember amy of his works being the least bit radical. Can you inference or source examples of journalistic works that you consider to advocate radicalism, revolution, communism, social democracy, or any of the like?
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Re: Here's a gret TED video about how money changes people's behavior for the worst. [Re: Crystal G]
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Pick any column he has written in ten years or so. Here's a link to somebody pulling his nutcase commie pants down http://krugman-in-wonderland.blogspot.com/
I don't know that he has ever advocated revolution. he is slowly getting his way without it.
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akira_akuma said: gilgamesh is a follower not a doer. he's not mad, he's just confused.
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