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Favorite Biblical Book (s)?
    #19278675 - 12/15/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Please not that I am no longer Christian and haven't studied in quite awhile (aside from forays into Gnosticism and Hermetic/Ceremonial Magick) but I'd be interested in knowing what some of your favorite Biblical books are and why?

1. Leviticus: Because the RULES oh the rules. I admit to being a bitch with a hard on for structure and I find the ancient Judaic laws to be fascinating in their own rightt even if I never grew up with them. Some of the laws are obviously "cultural" more than "spiritual" I chuckle upon reading them but if one goes with the theory that Israelites may have been Canaanites themselves, the need to differentiate makes a lot of sense.

2. Revelations: For its apocalyptic description which, when taken out of context, would make an excellent movie on its own.

3. The Book of Wisdom: Though not included in the KJV it is found in some Catholic bibles and is useful just for the practical advice given. The same applies to Proverbs as well, for me at least. I must admit, even as a pagan woman, I still look to Proverbs 31 from time to time.

4. Song of Songs: Because I like porn. Even poetic, crappily pieced together, porn. Except 50 Shades. Wasn't a fan of that. LOL!


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: dionysiandame]
    #19278811 - 12/15/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All the favorites you list are good.

Leviticus is a particularly fascinating read.  You read through the various "do's" and "don'ts" and wonder why oh why did they came up with that particular list.

Some of it is just plain old intuitive common sense, some of it was based on the realities and necessities of the day (i.e., relevant then, but not today), and some of it is just a bunch of horny straight guys coming up with "divine" decrees designed to facilitate their easy access to female vaginas.   

Great stuff.


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: dionysiandame]
    #19278913 - 12/15/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ecclesiastes because it sounds the most realistic.


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: White Beard]
    #19279412 - 12/15/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: Icelander]
    #19279468 - 12/15/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The Gospel of Thomas

Oh wait, this book got rejected by the power and control-hungry editors of the Bible because its gnostic ideas contradicted their wish to ensure a priest was necessary to intermediate between God and humans.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: deCypher]
    #19279508 - 12/15/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ecclesiastes and Job


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: Kickle]
    #19279687 - 12/15/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Gospel of Mary Magdalen
http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: deCypher]
    #19280494 - 12/15/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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deCypher said:
The Gospel of Thomas

Oh wait, this book got rejected by the power and control-hungry editors of the Bible because its gnostic ideas contradicted their wish to ensure a priest was necessary to intermediate between God and humans.  :rolleyes:




I read this Gospel and don't understand why this got banned..It seems very similar to the four Gospels that made the cut..And I believe it's theorized to be older than all the other Gospels as well.

Maybe The Gnostic Elder that floats in this forum can enlighten me/us?


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: cez]
    #19280498 - 12/15/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Enoch and Jasher


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: cez]
    #19280502 - 12/15/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And Gospel Of Truth off gnosis.com has some very cool concepts.
An interesting juxtaposition from this book and The Bible is in this book it states Jesus' crucifixion is actually The Tree Of Knowledge..Idk why I find this so...:mindblown:


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: deCypher]
    #19281660 - 12/15/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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deCypher said:
The Gospel of Thomas

Oh wait, this book got rejected by the power and control-hungry editors of the Bible because its gnostic ideas contradicted their wish to ensure a priest was necessary to intermediate between God and humans.  :rolleyes:





How did you reach this conclusion? I have studied the new testament and don't recall coming across this teaching. On the contrary, St. Paul makes it explicitly clear that there is one intermediary between God and humans:

"For there is one God.
There is also one meditator between God and man,
Christ Jesus, himself human,
who gave himself as a ransom for all"

1 Timothy ch. 2.


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: Deviate]
    #19306515 - 12/21/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

These are not scripture:

Book of Wisdom
Gospel of Thomas
Gospel of Mary Magdalen
Book of Enoch
Book of Jasher
Gospel Of Truth

God knows how to preserve His Word against false writings.


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: fivepointer] * 1
    #19306516 - 12/21/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Book of Fivepointer:nicesmile:


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: Deviate]
    #19307476 - 12/21/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

deCypher said:
The Gospel of Thomas

Oh wait, this book got rejected by the power and control-hungry editors of the Bible because its gnostic ideas contradicted their wish to ensure a priest was necessary to intermediate between God and humans.  :rolleyes:





How did you reach this conclusion? I have studied the new testament and don't recall coming across this teaching. On the contrary, St. Paul makes it explicitly clear that there is one intermediary between God and humans:

"For there is one God.
There is also one meditator between God and man,
Christ Jesus, himself human,
who gave himself as a ransom for all"

1 Timothy ch. 2.




This is a Catholic teaching, and one of the major reasons for the Protestant Reformation.  There are many sources out there if you want to read up on it, but here's a nice outline I pulled from a quick Google skim:

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Within the Christian religion, men have added other mediators in addition to Jesus Christ. I would like to mention just a few of these; perhaps others can add cases to the list which I have left out. However, these are cases of instances in which man must approach God through some mediator in addition to Christ.
1. The Catholic Priest. The Catholic system of worship places the priest between God and man as the dispenser of salvation. He has the right to grant absolution from sins. Absolution, in Roman theology, is the act by which the priest declares the sins of penitent persons to be remitted to them. The Council of Trent gave the priest the right to remit the sins of penitent sinners. Hence, the Catholic who sins must go to the confessional booth, confess his sins, and allow the Catholic priest to absolve him of the guilt of his sins.
One of the major doctrines which Protestantism rebelled against was the doctrine which gave the priest the right to forgive sins. Whereas Catholicism has a standing priesthood in distinction to the laity, Protestantism believes in the priesthood of all believers. According to Protestantism, every Christian has direct accessibility to God and can get forgiveness by appealing directly to God for it. We need no mediator other than or in addition to Jesus Christ. Quite properly, the Protestants emphasized that there is only one mediator between God arid man.




http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume21/TM021186.html


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: deCypher]
    #19307503 - 12/21/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Excuse me? I asked how you reached the conclusion that the gospel of thomas was left out of the Bible because of what it said about the need for priests.

your response in no way answers that question. On the contrary, the fact that protestants read the same new testament and don't interpret it as saying there is a need for priests points away from the idea that the Bible was edited to say that.


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: Icelander]
    #19307615 - 12/21/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Book of Fivepointer:nicesmile:





Love it. LOL!


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: cez]
    #19307636 - 12/21/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And Gospel Of Truth off gnosis.com has some very cool concepts.
An interesting juxtaposition from this book and The Bible is in this book it states Jesus' crucifixion is actually The Tree Of Knowledge..Idk why I find this so...:mindblown:




I haven't even hard of this book but I will have to check it out now.

Are any of you familiar with the writings of Louis Claude de Saint-Martin? I've just started reading through some of his Maxims and I find his philosophies intriguing.

Considering the amount of spiritual reflection found in some gnostic and esoteric brances of Christianity, I wonder why  more Christians aren't drawn to them? They seem more fulfilling in the way they expect man to reflect upon himself and his relationship with god. It's less about "obedience" and more about "discovery" of all that their god has given them. A world full of wonders, many of which we are just beginning to truly grasp. Why not get caught up in the euphoria?


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Pay me what you owe me. Don't act like you forgot. BBHMM.


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: dionysiandame]
    #19307793 - 12/21/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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A world full of wonders, many of which we are just beginning to truly grasp. Why not get caught up in the euphoria?



Good question.  But of course, "euphoria" is not the name of the institutional religion game.  "Control" is.

"Euphoria" is a direct threat to the ruling class of priests and gurus.  With euphoria comes empowerment and with empowerment comes freedom of thought -- and freedom of thought can easily bring down the whole goddamn institutional religion house of cards.

Drugs like LSD are illegal because the ruling class of priests and gurus know that when you see what you're potentially able to see on those drugs, you'll be much less inclined to surrender your intellect to the CHURCH ("CHURCH," understood broadly) and to kiss the asses of its rulers.


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19307819 - 12/21/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think legalization of LSD would benefit all those who make their living through the spiritual business.

Look at what happened in the 1960s, with the widespread use of psychedelics all of a sudden you have great public interest emerging in spirituality. What do all these confused people who saw God on their trip do? They rush off to find a guru, priest or teacher, someone who can tell them how to maintain the experience.

I was someone who wouldn't give an ear to priests prior to drug experimentation, next thing I know I am going to prayer meetings.


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Re: Favorite Biblical Book (s)? [Re: Deviate]
    #19307847 - 12/21/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Excuse me? I asked how you reached the conclusion that the gospel of thomas was left out of the Bible because of what it said about the need for priests.

your response in no way answers that question. On the contrary, the fact that protestants read the same new testament and don't interpret it as saying there is a need for priests points away from the idea that the Bible was edited to say that.




Have you read the Gospel of Thomas?  Its entire message is one of finding the Kingdom of Heaven/God from within; something that Catholicism rejects.  Any system of organized religion that requires the existence of a priest who intermediates between man and God will be against any alternative belief-system of individual salvation.


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