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Lets talk mycorestoration...
    #19306998 - 12/21/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey folks... As some of you may know, I was recently accepted to MCLA for their environmental studies program. I will be receiving my bachelors in ES then transferring with the goal of receiving a PhD in Mycology...My plan is to start a student mycology club at this school and build a small army of mycophiles to help me myco-filter the highly contaminated watersheds in this area. We have a big problem around here with E Coli. I plan to use the king stropharia to do this. I am basically starting this thread to begin an ongoing discussion on myco-restoration. I am most interested in peoples thoughts on the remediation of the fukushima disaster. Gomphidius Glutinosis has been shown to hyper-accumulate radioactive cesium to 10,000 times background lvl's. This will be useful in the forests of Japan but how can we bring this amazing species to the front of the battle for the pacific ocean? Myco-booms on the pacific convergence zone? This is a pressing issue that I believe only mycologists can solve...lets put our heads together guys. :smile:


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19308241 - 12/21/13 02:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like the term bio-restoration much better.  This way you include all the various organisms together along with fungi.  I didn't have much luck filtering e-coli out of runoff water with mushroom substrates because they can't keep up with the flow.  Most fecal contaminants are right on the surface, so you don't need to filter anything but the top 1mm or so.  Skimming the surface to remove or filter the bacteria seems like a better plan.  It could even be diverted to ponds and aerated.
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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19308261 - 12/21/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

RR.. what species of fungi did you attempt your filtration of E Coli with? Stamets has had great success using the garden giant.. I'm sure you've read mycelium running and seen some of his lectures on the subject.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19308340 - 12/21/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The issue with G. glutinosis is that its mycorrhizal, so you'd have to plant a forest of fir/spruce over the affected area to soak up the contamination, and then regularly collect the contaminated fruit bodies.  Still doable. 

There is an infamous radiated site here in Colorado front range, the former Rocky Flats nuclear plant.  They've essentially fenced off the area and buried the radiation.  The above scenario would work well there, I think.  I offer that up because the myco-boom idea would not work, unless you had floating islands of fir/spruce forest, and were regularly collecting and containing the fruits...


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: BoulderMushrooms]
    #19308353 - 12/21/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Love the idea of a student myco-club though. I wish you lots of luck and hard work at that!

This year I tossed, some of my old oyster bags into the ditch that feeds our organic farm (our ditch water can be contaminated with petro-chems, bacteria, and pesticides/fertilizers, etc).  The mushrooms fruited well, so I suspect the mycelium was doing its thing at least a bit (it was only one bag at a time).  It was literally just a block of oyster spawn on straw in the creek, no burlap bag or anything. 

Stamets experiment showed stunning results with the bacteria remediation.  Roger Rabbit, how many bags of mycelium did you place in the flow of the water?  The experiments I am thinking of, there were either a swale that was fully inoculated with mycelium (this would cover the first few mm of depth on the flowing water) or multiple bags place on alternate sides of a small creek, so that the water was constantly being churned and run past fresh mycelium.  I recall great results from that one. 

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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: BoulderMushrooms]
    #19308359 - 12/21/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like the pond diversion/aeration aspect though, complemented with some myco-bio-remedation. 

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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19308702 - 12/21/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the support on my myco-club. If anything I'll teach all the youngsters on campus how to grow their own magic. :wink: As far as the myco-boom thing in the pacific... I see your point....we need to find a saprophytic species that has similar hyper-accumulation ability...


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19309818 - 12/21/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Right, as of yet I have not heard of a saprophyte accumulating radiation.  Plus, do we even know what the radiation coming out of Fukushima is?  I know G. glutinosis uptakes Cesium, but there is lots of types of radiation out there....

They are doing the myco-boom technology I think in New York with pink oyster - more for its showiness than anything though.  A useful venture would be finding out local, bioregional funding sources for testing water and soil pre and post mycoremediation techniques.  Kickstarter campaigns would likely be a great way to fund this stuff from the grass roots.  Or Indigogo, or some other crowd-funding sites. 

I'm sure there is a saprophyte that works with radiation. I've heard of melanocyte producing species that absorb radiation as fuel, especially around Chernobyl...


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19309822 - 12/21/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Careful with the youngsters and teaching them to grow boomers:)  Felony conviction prevents, even post dating the college years, the procurement or continued sustaining of federal loans.  No bueno~


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: BoulderMushrooms]
    #19310649 - 12/22/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OH I was joking about teaching the ways of the psychedelic force to youngsters,lol. My myco-club in college will focus on pf tek with oysters, if they want to use the knowledge for other species of fungi,that's their decision. G. Glutinosis accumulates cesium which is the most abundant isotope from fukushima if I recall...obviously it wouldn't remediate 100% of the isotopes but it's a good start...As far as the melanin producing species found around Chernobyl...those use the radiation (light) much like plants use sunlight for photosynthesis. It seems you have to have radiation present for them to grow, and I don't think they up-take isotopes like G. glutinosis. Honestly I think the slime molds found on the walls of the Chernobyl reactor are quite novel and the idea of a sustainable food source in space is a good one, but for remediation, I don't think they present any possibilities...


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19311252 - 12/22/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ah interesting, I am not familiar with the difference between isotopes that glutinosis accumulates, and I suppose 'pure' radiation you are referring to that these slime molds and such are absorbing from Chernobyl. 

Hah, gotcha about the youngsters:) The PF tek is interesting - will you grow in larger jars than 1/2 pint?  I use bulk pasteurization in my business to grow Oysters, its a great way to produce enough spawn for remediation.  Will you integrate larger scale production for any remediation experiments in your myco-club?

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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: BoulderMushrooms]
    #19311717 - 12/22/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wow today's my lucky day. Love this idea, I don't have the background or science down like you guys do but I'll contribute what I got.

Reading lightning's links I noticed some talk about EM (efficient microorganisms, some hoop-la trademarked microorganism blend for farmers that allows them to farm within the fukishima area) i dont read japanese so i wish i could learn more but it sounds promising. I think what needs to be developed is a "kit" sort of like the EM blend. Combine different micros with one or two radiation hungry species of mushroom, put it in spawn bags and distribute along the coast...

Somewhere in there it questioned the possibility of the reduction in radioactivity being from synergistic action between microorganisms in the, lovingly trademarked, EM blend.

You know with all the awareness of fukishima something like this might be locally implemented by farmers along the western coast of the US, if the infrastructure to get cultures around were to exist.

One last thing, there was a girl on TEDtalks with the infinity mushroom suit, it was decomposing bodies and breaking down heavy metals that we humans tend to accumulate. Maybe not fukishima specific but connected to mycorestoration.

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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: BoulderMushrooms]
    #19311767 - 12/22/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ah interesting, I am not familiar with the difference between isotopes that glutinosis accumulates, and I suppose 'pure' radiation you are referring to that these slime molds and such are absorbing from Chernobyl. 

Hah, gotcha about the youngsters:) The PF tek is interesting - will you grow in larger jars than 1/2 pint?  I use bulk pasteurization in my business to grow Oysters, its a great way to produce enough spawn for remediation.  Will you integrate larger scale production for any remediation experiments in your myco-club?

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Yes...I plan to use the pf tek with half pints to teach the basic life cycle of the fungi, but my ultimate goal is to get a bunch of students helping me with myco-restoration experiments and projects..


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    #19311797 - 12/22/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow today's my lucky day. Love this idea, I don't have the background or science down like you guys do but I'll contribute what I got.

Reading lightning's links I noticed some talk about EM (efficient microorganisms, some hoop-la trademarked microorganism blend for farmers that allows them to farm within the fukishima area) i dont read japanese so i wish i could learn more but it sounds promising. I think what needs to be developed is a "kit" sort of like the EM blend. Combine different micros with one or two radiation hungry species of mushroom, put it in spawn bags and distribute along the coast...

Somewhere in there it questioned the possibility of the reduction in radioactivity being from synergistic action between microorganisms in the, lovingly trademarked, EM blend.

You know with all the awareness of fukishima something like this might be locally implemented by farmers along the western coast of the US, if the infrastructure to get cultures around were to exist.

One last thing, there was a girl on TEDtalks with the infinity mushroom suit, it was decomposing bodies and breaking down heavy metals that we humans tend to accumulate. Maybe not fukishima specific but connected to mycorestoration.

http://infinityburialproject.com/mushroom




Oh yeah... I'll have one of those suits on my own corpse one day....fuck the coffin...put my myco-suit on me and toss me in a dirt hole...anyway...as far as the west coast goes...they are all very lucky to have Paul Stamets living out that way...cause he'll save his own land and in the process disseminate the tech up and down the coast I am sure...


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19311819 - 12/22/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That body suit is interesting.  I hesitate about it.  The heavy metal thing... its not really doing anything with it except potentially sequestering it in the mycelium, which sure, thats a good benefit.  But bacteria are known to do the same thing, and burial in a good hot compost pile would have the same or better effect, as I think the bacteria actually kelate the heavy metal, which takes it totally out of commission.  (this is my understanding, not the facts:)

I hesitate, because lets say this body burial suit technology gets going - after a few thousand years (say our race survives that long;), we've trained a host of specific fungi to digest human flesh.  Not too far away from creating the next human-centric cordyceps, ya know?  I prefer the pine box buried under an apple tree sapling:)


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    #19311836 - 12/22/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The Chernobyl fungi wouldn't stop radiation at all...think of it like this.... If you are standing next to a tree on a sunny day, but not in the shade...that tree is deriving nutrients from the sunlight and thriving on it...but in no way is it preventing YOU from being effected by UV radiation or lessening the amount of ambient sunlight. It's the same concept. That fungi is using the light to produce nutrients to live...but it doesn't address the SOURCE of the radiation..Radiation is light...isotopes are heavy metal particles that emit radiation...


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    #19311852 - 12/22/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That body suit is interesting.  I hesitate about it.  The heavy metal thing... its not really doing anything with it except potentially sequestering it in the mycelium, which sure, thats a good benefit.  But bacteria are known to do the same thing, and burial in a good hot compost pile would have the same or better effect, as I think the bacteria actually kelate the heavy metal, which takes it totally out of commission.  (this is my understanding, not the facts:)

I hesitate, because lets say this body burial suit technology gets going - after a few thousand years (say our race survives that long;), we've trained a host of specific fungi to digest human flesh.  Not too far away from creating the next human-centric cordyceps, ya know?  I prefer the pine box buried under an apple tree sapling:)




After it consumes the human flesh, then sporelates...what are the spores going to germinate on? There would be know way for the fungi to survive once the corpse was gone.. and as far as hyper-accumulation of isotopes goes...it's the fruits that contain most of the isotopes so you simply harvest them and sequester them some place...or burn them and collect the isotopes for enrichment...


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19311862 - 12/22/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It will be helpful, I think, to view the "formal" definitions of the two words mentioned above (radiation, isotopes).

Radiation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation

Isotopes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotope

Also, here's a definition of "radioactive decay" (i.e. nuclear decay or radioactivity):  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_radiation

And "sunlight radiation" for a starting point perhaps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_radiation

We need to go over these terms repeatedly, with certainty, to help the discussion take hold.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19312152 - 12/22/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

RIght, that makes sense with the radiation vs the isotope that is producing the radiation.  Now were on board! Thanks Lightning~

Regarding the radiation, I've wondered about creating specialized domes around radioactive emitting sites - ie, Fukushima, and spray inoculating the inside with these fungi that absorb the radiation. Might have had this concept implanted by stamets...  But this does not contain the radiation that spills out into the ocean and such...

The issue with the body-decomposing fungi sporulating is not an issue now, in our culture, but in other places where they have to let the body decompose, and then exhume and condense the remains into a smaller container for final burial is common amongst cultures where land is less available.  Columbia is a great example of where this practice occurs, I think they do this in Europe in some places as well.  This would offer a perfect time for transmission. As land gets more and more tight due to population growth this will be more of a practice I imagine....  Of course there is no issue if you bury the body and never exhume it - no possibility for transmission. 

This example I put forth is more of a theoretical example.  I think it is a potential danger of this 'human cordyceps' happening in the future if all the conditions are there - more and more efficient colonization of corpses from specialized species, the possibility of exhuming and transmitting them into the 'humo-sphere'. This happens to a degree now in the archeology field, where they have something called 'tomb fever.'  Old buried human remains put off a pernicious fungi that lodges in the human lung - either kills us or makes us sick for a very long time.   

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    #19313513 - 12/22/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah but if a body is buried with the myco-suit...this eliminates the need to exhume and compact because the corpse will be transformed into soil...Plus the idea of a fungi that will colonize a human body and pop mushrooms out of our heads is somewhat far fetched to me...though I suppose anything is possible. Again...a dome with the inner walls inoculation with melanin producing slime molds will not "absorb" the harmful radiation...the radiation will still be there...


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    #19313542 - 12/22/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Another definition which may be helpful in understanding the need for bioremediation/mysorestoration:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioaccumulation

Marine life may eat radioactive foods (other marine plants, animals, water, etc), and they in turn become radioactive. As they eat more and more of the same foods - and live on - they build up in radiation, only to be eaten or decompose in a more potent state higher up on the food chain.


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    #19313878 - 12/22/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm.  My understanding was that these melanin containing fungi actually convert the radiation into usable energy.  ScientificAmerica article agrees - "[the melanin in this case acts like a step-down electric transformer, weakening the energy until it is useable by the fungi. "The energy becomes … low [at] a certain point where it can already be used by a fungus as chemical energy," Dadachova argues. "Protection doesn't play a role here. It is real energy conversion."]" http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=radiation-helps-fungi-grow

So, according to this article, the radiation will not be there - at least my understanding of the article...

Excellent point about the conversion of the body to soil.  That makes sense.  I still want to be under the apple tree:)  I spoke of a human cordyceps mainly in jest.  What I really mean is a strain of fungus that can get caught in our lungs, other orifices, or a skin wound, and do serious damage if not cause fatality because of it already being trained to digest human flesh.  Agree - still far out, but we are dealing with natural selection here, and we are essentially selecting for optimum human flesh digestion with these fungi. 

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    #19313990 - 12/22/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yes it converts radiation into nutrients but it doesn't stop the radiation from  being created ... Like I said...you can't expect a tree to "get rid" of sunlight just because it uses photosynthesis... You will still be touched by the sunlight if you are walking in a forest....If you are standing next to the fungi, and there is a source of gamma radiation nearby...you AND the fungi will be taking on radiation....just because the fungi can use it for food doesn't mean you aren't going to die from it...


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19315025 - 12/23/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've wondered about creating specialized domes around radioactive emitting sites - ie, Fukushima, and spray inoculating the inside with these fungi that absorb the radiation.




And then what?  It doesn't go away just because it's been absorbed into something else. :shrug:
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    #19315081 - 12/23/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I've wondered about creating specialized domes around radioactive emitting sites - ie, Fukushima, and spray inoculating the inside with these fungi that absorb the radiation.




And then what?  It doesn't go away just because it's been absorbed into something else. :shrug:
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    #19315595 - 12/23/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay but explain this shit

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  According to V. Vysotskii and A.Kornilova, the radioactive 137Cs (half-life 30 years) can be destroyed by bacteria. In an experiment described at (1) they introduced 260,900 Bk of 137Cs into a solution containing several chemical substances and bacteria. By natural decay the activity after 100 days would be reduced by 1670 Bk. But the actually measured reduction of radioactivity, after 100 days, turned out to be 51,100 Bk, plus or minus 1000. In other words, the reduction due to bacteria was 29 times larger than the reduction due to natural decay.
All activities were measured by placing small solution-containing flasks (2 by 2 by 2 cm) on top of the 1- cm-wide detector (2). Flasks were hermetically sealed, to make sure that cesium does not escape into the air, in the form of a volatile compound. Absence of accumulation of a solid cesium compound, gradually precipitating toward the bottom of the flask, was confirmed in a control experiment (during which 137Cs was decaying in the same chemical solution but without bacteria.) The decrease of radioactivity, during that experiment, was very close to the expected 1670 Bk.
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/402vysotskii.pdf ;




Thats why i'm saying whats necessary is a symbiotic response. If you find good mycocultures that can absorb and pull radiation into itself and combine them with a host of bacteria and the substrate necessary to sustain them long enough to get a foothold...


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    #19316111 - 12/23/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm, we seem to be talking around the same point...

If the tree uses the sunlight as energy, that sunlight will not touch your face.  i.e., if you have a dome covered with dense ivy, and you were sitting under the dome, you would not get a suntan.  Do we agree on that? If so, the Ivy is effectively 'getting rid' of the sunlight, in that it converts it to sugars, and that same radiation will not touch your skin.  How is that not 'getting rid' of the sunlight?

RR, you mentioned that the radiation is still there - the article I cited seemed clear about the idea that the radiation is going through a step-down conversion process, whereby that radiation is converted into chemical energy.  Sure, as Naktor says, the radiation will not be stopped from its source, but this is ultimately about containment. 

The above example - if a dome made up of very thick ivy (which creates a total canopy) is created, nothing inside the dome will be able to photosynthesis.  Right? Because photosynthesis on the ivy-dome is converting the radiation of the sun into chemical energy. Planting a sapling inside the now shaded interior would be ineffective. 

So, the opposite, if a dome's interior is thickly covered with these fungi, the dome is placed over a radioactive site, the fungi step-down convert the emitted radiation into chemical energy, and the radiation is prevented from escaping further into the environment.  Sure, there are isotopes and the source of the radiation that still exist inside the dome at the source, but that is theoretically fine, because the fungi continue to eat up the radiation as it is emitted from the source. 

It is another form of containment. What we do now is simply pack radioactive material into concrete bunkers, because the concrete blocks the radiation UNTIL the radiation goes through its own degradation process and is not radioactive anymore (millions of years).  It seems to me that this article is stating very clearly that these fungi take the emitted particles/waves of radiation, and put them through this degradation process at a faster pace, for the purpose of energy production.  If that is true, the radioactive wave/particle that the fungi absorbed is not radioactive anymore. 



I am making a differentiation in my mind between (1.) G. glutinosis that absorbs radioactive isotopes into its mycelium, and DOES NOT break it down - it simply pushes it up through into the mushroom, and (2.), these melanin containing fungi that seem to literally eat the emitted wave/particle of radiation, converting it into a less radioactive or non-radioactive form.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: shroombie]
    #19316162 - 12/23/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting Shroombie, I had not heard of that.  So obviously, there is scientific evidence that the radiation is able to degrade more quickly via bacteria. 

I've read a few articles since this discussion, and the only one that has led me to think differently than above is this one (http://optimalprediction.com/wp/radiation-eating-fungi-they-kill-trees-and-they-kill-people/). This article says that radiation is acting as en enzyme, boosting the levels, size and strength of melanin in the fungi  So, its not actually the radiation that is the food, but the melanin is being induced to be more efficient. 

I still think something like this, a melanized fungal dome, can apply as way of containing radiation.  Especially if it is partnered with the above mentioned bacteria, and especially on the inside of the concrete bunker that is containing the radiation anyways.


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    #19324772 - 12/25/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think its rediculouse to assume a saphoryte would begin killing people if we let the fungi break down bodys. Seriously think about it just because we started growing mushrooms on straw although they don't naturally grow there didn't mean mushrooms started killing whole fields of straw or because I used wood for a nonwoodlover that it began colonizing live trees and killing em off. Were talking about saphorytes-fungi that break down already dead material.


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    #19325425 - 12/25/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sure desert, but if you look with any depth into the world of saprophyte vs parasite, you often find that species blend into both categories.  i.e. the Reishi I found growing on a living maple tree that had no signs of decay or death.  There are hundreds of cases of traditional 'saprophytes' growing on what appears to be living material - just take a walk in the woods sometime.  The same with the opposite - parasites continuing to act saprophytically after the host dies, or, able to function entirely saprophytically when introduced to a dead 'host.'

If you know much about this, then we know that its very common for saprophytes to be 'opportunistic parasites,' where they grow on dead or dying tissue of a host.  When you understand this, it is obvious (to me at least) that a saprophyte trained to digest dead human flesh would regard it as a prime opportunity if they came into contact with near-dead or sick tissue of a living human.  It would not be that great of a epi-genetic leap.

I'm not talking about one of these human-digesting fungi attacking our whole population, including healthy people. I'm talking about already sick people being susceptible.  And there are a lot of sick people in our society. 

Your counter points don't seem to hold very well.  A field of growing wheat is a poor environment for oyster spawn to grow.  The individual stalks of the straw are too far spaced apart for the mycelium to jump from one to the other, and the outside typically remains dry due to being surrounded by open air.  Furthermore, one stalk of straw, if it hypothetically did become contaminated with oyster, would not have enough nutrition to support a fruit. So, you would never know just by looking at a field of wheat if oyster's had been attacking the straw. 

Have you ever assessed individual wheat stalks for oyster mycelium?  Have you ever grown wheat so close together that they were touching, like we do with cultivating oyster on straw, and poured oyster spores on them?  10 bucks says living wheat packed together like this would be susceptible to oyster digestion.  Why? Because growing wheat so close would nutrient deprive them, and the stalks touching would create moisture retention on the surface.  Perfect conditions for an infection.  Sure, its more likely that a mold or some other fungi would take the opportunity, but I refer back to my $10 bet:)


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    #19330596 - 12/26/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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in the course of mv work with Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories in the late 1990s, in Scquini, Washington, 1 was given an opportunity to demonstrate mycorcmediation bcvond our previously successful bench-scale study. In lab experiments, we used one of my strains of oyster mushroom  (Pleurotus ostreatus)  to  test its skill in breaking down dieselsaturated soil. In a scries of mesocosm (midscale) tests, we obtained the best results by mixing sawdust spawn with soil and unsterilized alder chips. When combined with bunker C oil, the same petrochemical spilled bv the Exxon Valdez tanker in Alaska, 97 percent of the oil's polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) degraded after 8 weeks. However, if we first sterilized the alder chips before mixing them into the spawn, only 65 percent of the PAHs were degraded. For a control, we omitted the spawn and used unsterilized chips, which caused the PAHs to decline only 38 percent (Thomas et al. 1999)





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Notice the difference (97-65=32%) between sterilized and unsterilized chips. Bacteria make the difference...


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: shroombie]
    #19331821 - 12/27/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is a bit of a change in topic, but here's another reason we need to talk about bioremediation and mycoremediation:
http://topinfopost.com/2013/12/26/fukushima-radiation-hits-san-francisco

Geiger counters are sold on the net:
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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19332071 - 12/27/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ok so I was doing some thinking on mycopesticides...My question is this... What is the possibility of isolating a sub-strain of Beauvaria Bassiana with a delayed sporulation in order to solve the "bed bug question" much as Stamets did with Metarhizium anisoplea? The problem I see is that bed bugs are not social insects which is a key vector of transmission for M. Anisoplea...I wonder if a pre-sporulating culture of B. Bassiana would produce attractants the same way M. Anisoplea does? And if so could an extract of such a sub-species be used to lure bed bugs into a "myco-trap"?


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    #19332443 - 12/27/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I just did a paper on this for my soil ecology class. The science behind this is very limited and not very well developed. I'm no scientist so I'll just recommend a couple books I found helpful.

The first one for sure is a definite read for anyone interested in the subject.


Gadd, G. M. "Interactions of Fungi with Toxic Metals.
Singh, Harbhajan. Mycoremediation: Fungal Bioremediation


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    #19351267 - 12/31/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

It would be nice if people researched the radiation from Fukushima through reputable sources...  The radiation in the ocean right next to the plant is less radioactive than your own urine.  They have a mess for sure, but it is contained.  I find it sad that Japan has had such an emotional reaction to this issue that they are now compromising their economy by importing energy.

IAEA on Fukushima

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    #19351302 - 12/31/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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It would be nice if people researched the radiation from Fukushima through reputable sources...  The radiation in the ocean right next to the plant is less radioactive than your own urine.  They have a mess for sure, but it is contained.  I find it sad that Japan has had such an emotional reaction to this issue that they are now compromising their economy by importing energy.

IAEA on Fukushima

As for using mushrooms for site remediation?  Seems like a long shot.





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    #19351701 - 12/31/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

Lol - are you frustrated because of the Fukushima piece, or the mushroom for site remediation piece?


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    #19352213 - 12/31/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

This is a learning opportunity for mushroom enthusiasts and student biologists to explore new solutions (to heal or restore our environment).

Let's encourage one another to seek solutions and explore.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19352544 - 12/31/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

I agree & think it is great!  If we can find ways to improve our water supplies or anything else using our shared passion then we all win in big ways.

Sorry if I was off-putting in any way.  I just get frustrated when information is given without basic research.


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    #19352978 - 12/31/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 30 days ago)

That's what NAKOR is sayin' happy 2014


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    #19353873 - 01/01/14 07:20 AM (10 years, 30 days ago)

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I like the term bio-restoration much better.  This way you include all the various organisms together along with fungi.  I didn't have much luck filtering e-coli out of runoff water with mushroom substrates because they can't keep up with the flow.  Most fecal contaminants are right on the surface, so you don't need to filter anything but the top 1mm or so.  Skimming the surface to remove or filter the bacteria seems like a better plan.  It could even be diverted to ponds and aerated.
RR




Since I'll have a lab at my disposal soon in my student research, my plan was to isolate and test many sub-strains of the fungi until I find one that has very high filtration ability, then clone it in myco-totes for transport of the spawn...I'm going to use other students to help me,lol  Kids are great..go go gadget myco club.. hehe


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19354156 - 01/01/14 10:03 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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The Lightning said:
http://www.nature.com/nrmicro/journal/v9/n3/full/nrmicro2519.html



Indeed... Just for the record...psilocybe mushrooms are the best choice for remediation of chemical nerve agents such as vx and sarin...so in essence..we need to grow magic mushrooms as an issue of national defense. :wink:


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    #19354174 - 01/01/14 10:11 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

:sun: Do you have other publications mentioning this?


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    #19354502 - 01/01/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

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    #19358214 - 01/02/14 12:21 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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    #19364217 - 01/03/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

I wonder if All bioligial life accumulates biotoxins (such as radiation) or if only some species accumulate toxins and make them inert.. I know it is not just limited to mushrooms (but mushrooms do seem to be the professionals)... I would theorize the ones that don't make biotoxins inert, may actually use them to create poison or venom? Just a thought.. (such as those posion octopus, or posion mushroom).. Either way it still looks like it translates or interprets the biotoxin into it's own toxin. Nevertheless, I have found the most fundamental trait of any life form is interpretation. how and what we interpret things into. It makes us what we are and determines what use we are to others, in the larger... web of life


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    #19366840 - 01/04/14 04:21 AM (10 years, 27 days ago)

Mushrooms that hyper-accumulate radioactive isotopes do not render them inert....the mushrooms need to be harvested and disposed of properly...the isotopes are still radioactive...


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    #19368183 - 01/04/14 01:11 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

Figured I would expand on my post from earlier, just for fun.

Fukushima


"It’s not even dangerous to swim off the coast of Fukushima. Buessler et al. figured out how much radiation damage you would get if you doggie paddled about Fukushima (Yes, science has given us radioactive models of human swimmers). It was less than 0.03% of the daily radiation an average Japanese resident receives. Tiny! Hell, the radiation was so small even immediately after the accident scientists did not wear any special equipment to handle the seawater samples (but they did wear detectors just in case). If you want danger, you’re better off licking the dial on an old-school glow in the dark watch."


So, what is the plan then?  To grow mushrooms in irradiated sites with the hope that they will absorb the radiation & then take them to WIPP?


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    #19368631 - 01/04/14 02:38 PM (10 years, 26 days ago)

I am all in for participating in whatever way possible. I am on the left coast so just let me know how and if I may be of service.


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    #19372173 - 01/05/14 10:24 AM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Good morning (or good day).

I want to visually kick off this conversation. I truly hope you'll join me and contribute over the coming weeks and months.

At first this will seem like a puzzle or altogether useless. It's up to YOU to put the puzzle together WITH one another in calm, neutral unity.

Below: The periodic table of elements



Below: "Zoom" on the chemical element Cesium (= Caesium)



For a moment, think of Cesium (= Caesium) as a GENUS. In the genus are several species (isotopes). The isotope we're initially interested in, with regard to bioremediation, is Cesium-137 (= Caesium-137 or Cs-137).



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_effects_from_the_Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster

http://www.permaculture.co.uk/articles/how-mushrooms-can-clean-radioactive-contamination-8-step-plan

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    #19373160 - 01/05/14 01:58 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I suppose the first line of business for the fukushima mycologists would be to identify the intoxicants, then identify the mushrooms that respond to these intoxicants (in the means of bioaccumulation).. That is beyond me as I don't know the specifics, but we would hope there are some good mycologists working on it. I have heard paul staments have input on the subject of fukushima. also the disaster might be of such a large scope that even every mushroom of an entire species may not have enough impact


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    #19373337 - 01/05/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

It's a matter of isolating and individually testing each sub-strain of the fungi in order to find the one genetic code with the best remediation ability....then cloning it as far as it will go and still retain those sought after properties..


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19373506 - 01/05/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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I like the term bio-restoration much better.  This way you include all the various organisms together along with fungi.  I didn't have much luck filtering e-coli out of runoff water with mushroom substrates because they can't keep up with the flow.  Most fecal contaminants are right on the surface, so you don't need to filter anything but the top 1mm or so.  Skimming the surface to remove or filter the bacteria seems like a better plan.  It could even be diverted to ponds and aerated.
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You are right about utilizing the other organisms in their remediationary niche.. bio-restoration is the umbrella under which myco-restoration would fall..indeed. much work to be done in this science...


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    #19373684 - 01/05/14 04:16 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

We should also consider "extremophiles" such as the species of Firmicutes known to live off of radiation!

http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news-archive/4229.html

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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19375265 - 01/05/14 11:16 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Like I was saying..G Glutinosus will be instrumental with fukushima..but it doesn't address the pacific ocean, which is dying and still, just  because a melanin rich fungi can use radiation to thrive doesn't mean it can protect a person from the radiation. The radiation is emanating from a source...it's constant. lol


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    #19375283 - 01/05/14 11:23 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

Please review the materials released in this thread.


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    #19375305 - 01/05/14 11:37 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

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Please review the materials released in this thread.




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    #19375310 - 01/05/14 11:40 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I am talking to You.


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    #19375333 - 01/05/14 11:49 PM (10 years, 25 days ago)

I've read everything in this thread...im' not sure what you are getting at by asking me to review it.


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    #19376882 - 01/06/14 11:23 AM (10 years, 24 days ago)

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http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/lifeforms-can-clean-up-radiation-naturally.html





Does the presence of melanin make the mushrooms just accumulate radiation byproducts as waste (to then be disposed). or would a species without melanin reactoionary biochemistry (or an altertanitve mechanism of biochemistry) instead convert it into inertia? Inertia converting organisms may be more useful if they exist... (inertia being a type of fuel that would only temporarily exist as a metabolite... as opposed to an accumulated toxin)


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: curiositydream]
    #19386073 - 01/08/14 12:31 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

I've decided I like the term bio-restoration too...that is all... :smile:


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: curiositydream]
    #19386076 - 01/08/14 12:33 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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The Lightning said:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/lifeforms-can-clean-up-radiation-naturally.html





Does the presence of melanin make the mushrooms just accumulate radiation byproducts as waste (to then be disposed). or would a species without melanin reactoionary biochemistry (or an altertanitve mechanism of biochemistry) instead convert it into inertia? Inertia converting organisms may be more useful if they exist... (inertia being a type of fuel that would only temporarily exist as a metabolite... as opposed to an accumulated toxin)



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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19386967 - 01/08/14 08:59 AM (10 years, 23 days ago)

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I've decided I like the term bio-restoration too...that is all... :smile:



the catch all for phyto, rhizo and myco remediation.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19392687 - 01/09/14 08:49 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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This is a bit of a change in topic, but here's another reason we need to talk about bioremediation and mycoremediation:
http://topinfopost.com/2013/12/26/fukushima-radiation-hits-san-francisco

Geiger counters are sold on the net:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=geiger






http://deepseanews.com/2014/01/all-the-best-scientifically-verified-information-on-fukushima-impacts/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Are high radiation readings being observed on the west coast of the United States?  No doubt you seen the video of a man in San Francisco, California using a Geiger Counter showing high radiation readings on the beach.  Dan Sythe is the CEO of International Medcom Inc. that develops and produces radiation detection instruments and systems. Dan has a list of impressive credentials on everything Geiger Counter related. At the Geiger Counter Bulletin, he tests the same California sand and compares it to readings from Fukushima. Take Home: The radiation signature in the coastal sands is normal and is not the same as from Fukushima.  Favorite Quote: “The radionuclides are in the NORM class of radioactive substances, not from Fukushima. NORM stands for Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material…If the sand were contaminated by radiation from Fukushima it would show Cesium 137 [it does not].”  Super Favorite Bonus Quote: “The radiation level [in the sand] is elevated, but roughly equivalent to some granite counter top material from Brazil.”


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: SnowArcher]
    #19392705 - 01/09/14 08:58 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Snow...whether the radiation is from fukushima or not, it's a pressing concern...because there have been odd spikes in the radiation lvl on beaches on the west coast...it is an interesting coincidence if this has nothing to do with the radioactive wave hit the coast now....that would spell even bigger problems because that would equal TWO sources for high radiation lvls..


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19392722 - 01/09/14 09:02 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Isolate the best melanin producing sub-strains...cultivate them to the utmost extreme..give them to these guys...have them produce enough for the populations...slam dunk..game over...mycologists win again...:laugh: ...perhaps. :wink:

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-04/melanized-nanoparticles-may-protect-cancer-patients-radiation-damage

They are talking about cancer patients right now...but the treatment would make anyone resistant to radiation..


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: curiositydream]
    #19394514 - 01/09/14 04:35 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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Does the presence of melanin make the mushrooms just accumulate radiation byproducts as waste (to then be disposed).




I don't know as of this moment. Let's do a bit of co-investigating and see what we come up with.

Also, just found this:

http://science.time.com/2014/01/08/why-some-mushrooms-may-be-magic-for-climate-change/


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19395561 - 01/09/14 07:38 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

No it doesn't......the radiation is used much the same way plants use sunlight for photosynthesis...


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19397618 - 01/10/14 07:14 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Again...it seems to be a constant sticking point in peoples understanding of how the melanin producers work. There is a difference between radiation and isotopes. We focus more on the hyper-accumulation of isotopes in practicing myco-remediation of nuclear sites..many people don't seem to understand that RADIATION is LIGHT... it doesn't get up-taken and stored by the fungus..People seem to constantly want to apply the methods for remediation with species like G Glutinosus to the melanin producers found at Chernobyl...it just doesn't work the same way.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19406024 - 01/11/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I was speaking to Maya from Radical Mycology at the fungus fair yesterday, and told her that I do not think that mushrooms are useful to remediate radiation, and she looked super bummed.


Is there any way we can make this work?    Or is it just a stupid idea?


Does anyone have any cesium-137 that we can run tests with?   


The first order of business, I guess, is discovering a saprotrophic mushroom that concentrates cesium.


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    #19406119 - 01/11/14 10:36 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

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The first order of business, I guess, is discovering a saprotrophic mushroom that concentrates cesium.




The Chernobyl exclusion zone would be the best place to find mushroom fits the bill, if one is out there.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19407055 - 01/12/14 06:15 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

I'm uncertain if Cesium-137 will be present at this site, but it certainly has other radioactive waste that could be tested upon.

The EPA would be the POC.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19407087 - 01/12/14 06:34 AM (10 years, 19 days ago)

"Mushrooms, the region’s most iconic product, build up especially high concentrations of radioactive cesium. Cesium-137 content in the majority of edible mushrooms in forest litter decreased by 20–30% between 2005 and 2010. But among species whose feeding networks (mycelia) reach deeper into the soil, the amount of cesium-137 increased during the same period as radionuclides migrated into deeper soil layers."

- http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/121-a78/

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Fungi Contaminated by Radionuclides: Critical Review of Approaches to Modeling

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Re: Grant for you. 2 links [Re: grambot2]
    #19408421 - 01/12/14 01:42 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

I just had a random and probably invalid idea. For the sake of discussion and possibly new ideas, here it is:

Preface: http://education.nationalgeographic.com/education/encyclopedia/bioluminescence/?ar_a=1

What if we created a "city of bioluminescence" in and around Fukushima. We could use bioluminescent fungi, bioluminescent algae (dinoflagellates), bioluminescent plants, bioluminescent insects, bioluminescent bacteria, and bioluminescent marine animals. Together, in this wild theory, they might acclamate to the radioactivity and slightly, slowly bioaccumulate the radiation up the food chain in a faster way than Nature would otherwise process the radiation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bioluminescent_organisms

I bet this idea won't work, but if someone can prove the idea incorrect it may lead to new information in new brains.


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Re: Grant for you. 2 links [Re: The Lightning]
    #19409714 - 01/12/14 07:09 PM (10 years, 18 days ago)

Where in that article did it mention bioluminescent organism can absorb gamma radiation?

Perhaps i missed it, but the only radiation I saw mentioned was the fact that less than 20% the light created by these orgasnisms generates heat(thermal radiation).:shrug:


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Re: Grant for you. 2 links [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19412188 - 01/13/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Yeah...that's not tenable...  Gomphidius Glutinosus is the best species we know of in terms of remediation of isotopes from fukushima...As I stated before...we could also use the newly discovered melanin producers as a source of abundant melanin for scientists to develop the melanin based injection that makes people resistant to radiation.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19412493 - 01/13/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

A saprotrophic (i.e. living and feeding from dead organic matter) mushroom that concentrates cesium:

Pleurotus eryngii - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19260229

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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19412602 - 01/13/14 02:07 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

62%... quite significant...:strokebeard2:...if we can isolate a substrain with an even higher up-channel capability, then myco-booms on the pacific are one step closer to reality...but how would you deal with the salt environment?


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19412657 - 01/13/14 02:23 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

Here are some oysters I am fruiting now for the purpose of spawn production for myco-restoration purposes...



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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19412737 - 01/13/14 02:42 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19412763 - 01/13/14 02:48 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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but how would you deal with the salt environment?




This would be a bioremediation project involving more than one species, but for the record, this species seems highly likely to succeed in a brackish or salt water environment.

Below: A Mycoboom in salt water (This mycoboom is made of straw colonized with Pleurotus ostreatus mycelium encased in hemp.)



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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19413002 - 01/13/14 03:47 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

According to Stamet's preliminary charts P. Ostreatus doesn't upchannel cesium..So now the question is will P. Eryngii work under similar conditions?


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Nakor420]
    #19413151 - 01/13/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 17 days ago)

You're not in Washington by chance, are you?


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19416020 - 01/14/14 06:11 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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You're not in Washington by chance, are you?



Negative...as you can see by my profile location... I'm from the spirit realm. :wink:


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    #19418616 - 01/14/14 05:53 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19422341 - 01/15/14 11:09 AM (10 years, 15 days ago)

About that human cordyceps concept .. My .02

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What I really mean is a strain of fungus that can get caught in our lungs, other orifices, or a skin wound, and do serious damage if not cause fatality because of it already being trained to digest human flesh.  Agree - still far out, but we are dealing with natural selection here, and we are essentially selecting for optimum human flesh digestion

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Look up the definitions of saprophytes and parasites; one thrives on dead material, the other on living.
Some saprophytes can take advantage of already weakened living material; these are termed facultative parasites.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19437432 - 01/18/14 11:39 AM (10 years, 12 days ago)

Hey everyone, I came across this and remembered this thread, hope it helps, sorry if it's been posted already

http://aem.asm.org/content/79/23/7313.abstract


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: WillSolvem]
    #19438132 - 01/18/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 12 days ago)

I would like to know what it is about melanin that gives it it's light absorbing properties

.. a quick google search yields http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jgd1000/melanin.html .... a spectrum that says melenin absorbs lower wavelengths more than higher wavelengths... I wonder where radiation falls


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: curiositydream]
    #19439649 - 01/18/14 08:25 PM (10 years, 12 days ago)

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I would like to know what it is about melanin that gives it it's light absorbing properties

.. a quick google search yields http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jgd1000/melanin.html .... a spectrum that says melenin absorbs lower wavelengths more than higher wavelengths... I wonder where radiation falls




Technically radiation occurs at all wavelengths. I believe your talking about the radiation that does immediate damage though, in this case they would be shorter wavelengths.

Increase in light frequency has a correlating lowering in wavelength





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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: The Lightning]
    #19441920 - 01/19/14 10:33 AM (10 years, 11 days ago)

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but how would you deal with the salt environment?




This would be a bioremediation project involving more than one species, but for the record, this species seems highly likely to succeed in a brackish or salt water environment.

Below: A Mycoboom in salt water (This mycoboom is made of straw colonized with Pleurotus ostreatus mycelium encased in hemp.)



http://fungi.com/blog/items/the-petroleum-problem.html





What about Agaricus bernardii. It will colonize spent oyster straw pretty well. It tolerates lots of salt as well.

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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: lipa]
    #19442732 - 01/19/14 02:01 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

Do we know if that species will consume petroleum? Because that's the point of using oysters...they remediate the petroleum better than any other mushroom...that we know of anyway..


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    #19442763 - 01/19/14 02:08 PM (10 years, 11 days ago)

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What about Agaricus bernardii. It will colonize spent oyster straw pretty well. It tolerates lots of salt as well.




If it does colonize spent Pleurotus ostreatus straw, it sounds like a very good food chain connection. Does it also help breakdown cesium (= Cs, Caesium, etc)? Does it also fruit or just stay in a mycelium state?


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    #19446733 - 01/20/14 09:11 AM (10 years, 11 days ago)

Who knows. You could hybridize it.


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    #19447160 - 01/20/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

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What about Agaricus bernardii. It will colonize spent oyster straw pretty well. It tolerates lots of salt as well.




If it does colonize spent Pleurotus ostreatus straw, it sounds like a very good food chain connection. Does it also help breakdown cesium (= Cs, Caesium, etc)? Does it also fruit or just stay in a mycelium state?




Any secondary decomposer will colonize spent primary decomposer material. Thats why we call it a secondary decomposer.

Man Paul Stamets needs to shut his mouth about this Mycorestoration crap. He needs to stick to one thing and duplicate it numerous times before he opens his mouth again or put it in a fucking book.  A family member of mine works for the state of California as a waste water engineer and when you ask her about fungi being used to clean water or contamination she says people are out of there mind. Bacteria grow faster and even they haven't been proven to clean up spills effective enough to call it good enough. Millions probably billions have been spent on these efforts with not much success.  Take for instance General Dynamics. Before we had environmental laws concerning the disposal of used oil they would dig huge holes in the ground and bury it. If you had any idea how big that company is and how much oil they went through you would shit your pants. Because of this the state of California started installing volatile vapor containment units under streets and near housing editions that sit where these large companies originally did this to keep most of it from rising above ground causing all kinds of health problems like cancer and immune problems in humans. Most of the folks who live in these areas have no idea of the health risks of living in areas like this even though they disclosed this info to the public and put signs up in the units that say living there can cause cancer. Military (our biggest polluters of all) personnel who live on military bases are some of the most exposed people on the planet to these issues and don't even realize it ...How would fungi reach 15-30 ft in the ground? My point is that fungi don't grow in the places that these contaminates linger and cause the most problems. Yes, they can eat bacteria as a food source but they are limited in the fact that they cannot reach or contain all the contamination in a given ecosystem. Simply encouraging ecosystems to proliferate as they naturally would is the best thing people can do for the environment. Fungi alone are not going to produce anything worth while. I look around all the places in my area (and my area is probably one of the most polluted areas in the US) and see all these habitat restoration and cleanup projects around that the government spends millions of dollars for and none of them 5 years later are better off than the day they started. We just keep dumping money in a big hole because some scientist had a hunch and wanted to pull a profit.

The only thing thats going to make a difference is putting people that contaminate the environment and waste precious resources in jail for ever and ever. Simply stopping what we have learned is bad is the only way to clean  up our world. It's all about the collective gathering of selfish people who don't give a shit about anything but money.

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    #19447187 - 01/20/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

how is anything going to break down cesium, anyhow?  I think accumulate is the word.  and I reckon trees would do a much better job at that, since they can draw up to hundreds of gallons on a hot day.


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    #19448472 - 01/20/14 04:27 PM (10 years, 10 days ago)

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how is anything going to break down cesium, anyhow?  I think accumulate is the word.  and I reckon trees would do a much better job at that, since they can draw up to hundreds of gallons on a hot day.




The term is hyper-accumulate. and trees don't continue to "flush" when you remove them...and since you have to remove the fruits from the environment before they die back to have any effect, trees are not a viable option for uptake and removal of cesium.


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    #19451998 - 01/21/14 09:24 AM (10 years, 10 days ago)

With radioactive isotopes, is the proposed plan to extract fruiting bodies which have accumulated the element while exposing workers to contaminated materials?

How variable are the mycelial accumulations of the selected radioactive isotope? If there is an insurmountable difference then the following is irrelevant, but if they are fairly similar it could be suitable to utilize a "semi-abundant" resource already being produced and discarded as waste in another industry rather than propagating and utilizing freshly spawned materials. Of course, if the mycelia as a dead to dying net colonized with countless other microorganisms following production is deemed useless in comparison with fresh mycelia, again the following is not worth considering.

I do not know what the current target market for button mushroom compost is, but would it be more cost effective to take spent mushroom compost to form large filtration units and then chemically extract the isotope of importance? Though, I am not certain there would be funds present to jump behind any system for even small scale local preventative clean up on the Pacific Coast.

For high risk situations necessitating immediate action, a series of units could be implemented in at least attempted response.

Spent Mushroom Compost--> spike with some NPK to encourage life, and a small selection of selected bacteria, secondary saprophytes, and others--> packed into large mobile units with the ability to induce immediate flow through [think of numerous mattress sized or larger HEPA filters, only the contents are alive or formerly living and the goal is biological filtration of harmful items rather than other microbes]


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    #19453124 - 01/21/14 02:12 PM (10 years, 9 days ago)

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What about Agaricus bernardii. It will colonize spent oyster straw pretty well. It tolerates lots of salt as well.




If it does colonize spent Pleurotus ostreatus straw, it sounds like a very good food chain connection. Does it also help breakdown cesium (= Cs, Caesium, etc)? Does it also fruit or just stay in a mycelium state?




Any secondary decomposer will colonize spent primary decomposer material. Thats why we call it a secondary decomposer.

Man Paul Stamets needs to shut his mouth about this Mycorestoration crap. He needs to stick to one thing and duplicate it numerous times before he opens his mouth again or put it in a fucking book.  A family member of mine works for the state of California as a waste water engineer and when you ask her about fungi being used to clean water or contamination she says people are out of there mind. Bacteria grow faster and even they haven't been proven to clean up spills effective enough to call it good enough. Millions probably billions have been spent on these efforts with not much success.  Take for instance General Dynamics. Before we had environmental laws concerning the disposal of used oil they would dig huge holes in the ground and bury it. If you had any idea how big that company is and how much oil they went through you would shit your pants. Because of this the state of California started installing volatile vapor containment units under streets and near housing editions that sit where these large companies originally did this to keep most of it from rising above ground causing all kinds of health problems like cancer and immune problems in humans. Most of the folks who live in these areas have no idea of the health risks of living in areas like this even though they disclosed this info to the public and put signs up in the units that say living there can cause cancer. Military (our biggest polluters of all) personnel who live on military bases are some of the most exposed people on the planet to these issues and don't even realize it ...How would fungi reach 15-30 ft in the ground? My point is that fungi don't grow in the places that these contaminates linger and cause the most problems. Yes, they can eat bacteria as a food source but they are limited in the fact that they cannot reach or contain all the contamination in a given ecosystem. Simply encouraging ecosystems to proliferate as they naturally would is the best thing people can do for the environment. Fungi alone are not going to produce anything worth while. I look around all the places in my area (and my area is probably one of the most polluted areas in the US) and see all these habitat restoration and cleanup projects around that the government spends millions of dollars for and none of them 5 years later are better off than the day they started. We just keep dumping money in a big hole because some scientist had a hunch and wanted to pull a profit.

The only thing thats going to make a difference is putting people that contaminate the environment and waste precious resources in jail for ever and ever. Simply stopping what we have learned is bad is the only way to clean  up our world. It's all about the collective gathering of selfish people who don't give a shit about anything but money.

IMHO
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I think the point that you're missing is that in some instances fungi would be better competitors than bacteria. Bioremediation is site specific with numerous different variables that come into play. No one system will be able to just be "installed" to get rid of this. In that instance, than yes mycoremediation would most likely be ineffective. But mycoremediation should most definitely be understood, even if its only because it plays a small part in bioremediation.


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    #19457679 - 01/22/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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lipa said:
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The Lightning said:
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What about Agaricus bernardii. It will colonize spent oyster straw pretty well. It tolerates lots of salt as well.




If it does colonize spent Pleurotus ostreatus straw, it sounds like a very good food chain connection. Does it also help breakdown cesium (= Cs, Caesium, etc)? Does it also fruit or just stay in a mycelium state?




Any secondary decomposer will colonize spent primary decomposer material. Thats why we call it a secondary decomposer.

Man Paul Stamets needs to shut his mouth about this Mycorestoration crap. He needs to stick to one thing and duplicate it numerous times before he opens his mouth again or put it in a fucking book.  A family member of mine works for the state of California as a waste water engineer and when you ask her about fungi being used to clean water or contamination she says people are out of there mind. Bacteria grow faster and even they haven't been proven to clean up spills effective enough to call it good enough. Millions probably billions have been spent on these efforts with not much success.  Take for instance General Dynamics. Before we had environmental laws concerning the disposal of used oil they would dig huge holes in the ground and bury it. If you had any idea how big that company is and how much oil they went through you would shit your pants. Because of this the state of California started installing volatile vapor containment units under streets and near housing editions that sit where these large companies originally did this to keep most of it from rising above ground causing all kinds of health problems like cancer and immune problems in humans. Most of the folks who live in these areas have no idea of the health risks of living in areas like this even though they disclosed this info to the public and put signs up in the units that say living there can cause cancer. Military (our biggest polluters of all) personnel who live on military bases are some of the most exposed people on the planet to these issues and don't even realize it ...How would fungi reach 15-30 ft in the ground? My point is that fungi don't grow in the places that these contaminates linger and cause the most problems. Yes, they can eat bacteria as a food source but they are limited in the fact that they cannot reach or contain all the contamination in a given ecosystem. Simply encouraging ecosystems to proliferate as they naturally would is the best thing people can do for the environment. Fungi alone are not going to produce anything worth while. I look around all the places in my area (and my area is probably one of the most polluted areas in the US) and see all these habitat restoration and cleanup projects around that the government spends millions of dollars for and none of them 5 years later are better off than the day they started. We just keep dumping money in a big hole because some scientist had a hunch and wanted to pull a profit.

The only thing thats going to make a difference is putting people that contaminate the environment and waste precious resources in jail for ever and ever. Simply stopping what we have learned is bad is the only way to clean  up our world. It's all about the collective gathering of selfish people who don't give a shit about anything but money.

IMHO
Lipa



I think the point that you're missing is that in some instances fungi would be better competitors than bacteria. Bioremediation is site specific with numerous different variables that come into play. No one system will be able to just be "installed" to get rid of this. In that instance, than yes mycoremediation would most likely be ineffective. But mycoremediation should most definitely be understood, even if its only because it plays a small part in bioremediation.





Give me a reference where bioremediation or mycoremediation was used and was fully effective.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: lipa]
    #19458152 - 01/22/14 03:31 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

http://clu-in.org/download/studentpapers/phytotce.pdf Case Study done by the US military.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: lipa]
    #19458203 - 01/22/14 03:43 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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Man Paul Stamets needs to shut his mouth about this Mycorestoration crap. He needs to stick to one thing and duplicate it numerous times before he opens his mouth again or put it in a fucking book.






While it is true that mycoremediation works, it is also resource intensive, slow and ineffective.  I am not aware of any environmental problems for which mycoremediation is the best solution.

I used to think that mushrooms could save the world, but about three years ago I asked *** ******** about it, and he said that it doesn't really work.  I was shocked to hear him say that because he is one of the best mushroom cultivators in the world.  He asked me to keep his name out of it because he is well known and does not want to start any battles.  Since then I have looked at mycoremediation with a critical eye.

It is true that oyster mushrooms can eat oil, but how much oil do you need to burn to make all the spawn to eat oil spills?  Oil is also naturally composted by bacteria.

A few years ago there was an oil spill in the bay area and they did a big thing where they soaked up the oil with hair mats and then ate it with oyster mushrooms.  But I was just this week told that the hair mats were locked up as evidence, and they bought new oil to use in the mycoremediation project.  Also it didn't work very well, the mycelium does not eat oil if it's concentrated.  A hair mat full of oil is too dense for mushrooms to eat.    You have to mix it in at a much lower level. 

I was told that the control group that did not use any mushrooms at all had the oil break down nearly as well as the groups where they used oyster mushrooms.  Apparently oil naturally composts.

I was talking to Paul Stamets a couple days ago at soma camp about mycoremediation of the Fukushima area, and he said that they have switched their focus from mycorrhizal mushrooms to saprotrophic ones.    Apparently Clitocybe nuda accumulates cesium pretty well.  Paul said that he has seen the lab report from the Clitocybe nuda that was recently collected near Fukushima and that it was indeed real and contained quite a bit of radioactive cesium.  Certainly Clitocybe nuda is better than the old plan which was to use Gomphidius, however I still have some doubts.  Who wants a job picking radioactive mushrooms?  And how would we ensure that the people pick them before animals do?  Do we pick them when they are just pins, and wouldn't really have much, or do we wait until they are full sized, and risk animals coming along and getting them?


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19458911 - 01/22/14 05:52 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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A few years ago there was an oil spill in the bay area and they did a big thing where they soaked up the oil with hair mats and then ate it with oyster mushrooms.  But I was just this week told that the hair mats were locked up as evidence, and they bought new oil to use in the mycoremediation project.  Also it didn't work very well, the mycelium does not eat oil if it's concentrated.




I have a friend who works for a remediation company that was contracted to deal with the leftovers from his experiment. Apparently their chemical analysis of his project showed nothing really happened to the oil which differed from his findings, which he would not comment on.


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    #19458939 - 01/22/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

Paul Stamets is a really good cultivator "I guess" but It just gets to me all these folks follow his book like he is GOD and use him as a reference.  I hear about it so much it makes my head hurt.


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: lipa]
    #19459755 - 01/22/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 8 days ago)

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Paul Stamets is a really good cultivator "I guess" but It just gets to me all these folks follow his book like he is GOD and use him as a reference.  I hear about it so much it makes my head hurt.




it also sucks cause he gets so many people into this field, and then you come on here and it turns out he can be kind of a dick.  and sells a bunch of way overpriced stuff.


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it also sucks cause he gets so many people into this field, and then you come on here and it turns out he can be kind of a dick.






Well that's not exactly how I see it.  It's true that he is not always super happy, and he does sometimes say stuff that I do not agree with.  But he is a smart person and I believe his contribution to mycology is overwhelmingly positive.  He does good work and is more often than not a nice guy.


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Below: Clitocybe nuda (Synonymous with Lepista nuda and Tricholoma nudum)



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    #19464140 - 01/23/14 06:54 PM (10 years, 7 days ago)

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That's a good point.


Has anyone ever had any success with biofilters?


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Re: Lets talk mycorestoration... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19466237 - 01/24/14 06:20 AM (10 years, 7 days ago)

I have always been skeptical of mycroremediation.  I align fairly well with what lipa and allen said. I believe humans are the best organism for remediation (by making wise life-style choices).  So i believe in growing mushrooms (and other health foods) to feed people to keep them healthy; and these healthy people can use their NRG to keep the earth happy.  And as to stamets; there is alot that he writes/endorses that makes me question his intent.  But i respect this man immensely for the major strides he gave the micro-scale mushroom cultivation industry. If i met him; i would probably just avoid the subject of mycoremediation all together. He really does have a good thing going; which makes it easy for people to blindly hate him.

Once again; i think mushrooms should be used to remediate our lives!  And our lives should be used to remediate the earth! And the earths life should remediate the power of our origins!  This reveals new colors and depths to human consciousness.

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    #19466359 - 01/24/14 07:09 AM (10 years, 7 days ago)

Mushrooms certainly have more place in bio-restoration than in remediation of chemical and other spills, which bacteria and sunlight seem most effective.

I had a very unstable hillside on my property which kept caving in, blocking the road.  After the last time it was fixed three years ago, I mixed over 2,000 fully colonized, but shredded shiitake and oyster blocks into the surface, mixed in with straw, sawdust, and fertile topsoil.

Grass seed was then planted over the soil/straw/fungi.  The fungi recovered and knitted together in the sawdust and straw, which held the soil in place until we could get grass seed and brush such as snow berry established.  The hill hasn't caved in or slid since.

Fungi was only a part of the total package.
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    #19467631 - 01/24/14 01:20 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

Man I am starting to feel bad about saying what I said about stamets. My intention was not to say he is stupid or worthless. I am sure he is not. When I hear of him he is just out fucking off all the time. How is a man such engulfed in the business of selling product spend any time in the lab doing any "research".  I don't see the man who is trying to save the world with good intentions. That's all.  That makes me angry because as I developed my skills as a cultivator following his books I started to feel like he was turning away not really continuing to update people on new cultivation techniques. I thought it was just a bunch of the same stuff. Lots of information in his books by the way were things that others offered to him.  I think his intentions veered toward being rich. Have you ever seen him pop up on some of the worlds largest online fungi forums helping others with his knowledge. No, its more like "I am the man" and you need to pay me 800$ at my farm any time I have something to offer. Where is he in the online community? Wasn't it he that said the fungal web was so much like the INTERNET.  I would love to be able to see him participate and be able to include his criticism in my daily life as a cultivator. I think he has a lot to offer me and others. If you know of a forum he participates in I would love to hear about it.


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    #19467654 - 01/24/14 01:24 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

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    #19468292 - 01/24/14 03:58 PM (10 years, 6 days ago)

As far as mycorestoration the focus shouldn't exactly be which mushrooms/fungus are the fastest accumulators, but which mychorrhizal fungi creates an environment that limits the bioavailability/movement of pollutants.


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    #19471615 - 01/25/14 11:40 AM (10 years, 5 days ago)

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Has anyone ever had any success with biofilters?




What type of biofilter are you referring to? Googling biofilter success will immediately bring up a success story.

This topic opens more doors for bioremediation. We're talking about not one or two approaches, but many, in harmony.

http://tidescanada.org/wp-content/uploads/files/salmon/workshop-april-2013/Garry_Ullstrom_-_The_Namgis_First_Nation_Project_Update.pdf


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