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Duck Dynasty
    #19305840 - 12/21/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So I'm guessing a lot (if not all) of you have heard of the controversy where one of their cast members got suspended or fired or whatever for saying some potentially homophobic remarks.

I've never seen a single episode, but apparently it was the highest rated cable series the last couple of years? Seriously?

Got a few questions/observations.

1. Has anybody seen it, and if so why the hell is it so damn popular

2. Is our media so fucking retarded and dumbed down here in the states that a cast member from some cheesy reality series on A&E warrants THIS MUCH attention over some anti-gay remarks? For fuck's sake this shit has been on the front page of CNN the past few days. Don't we have other shit to worry about? It's like the Miley Cyrus VMA performance all over again. It has absolutely exploded.

3. Ummmm.....yeah I guess that's all.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla]
    #19305867 - 12/21/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I kind of think its a lefty yuppie conspiracy set up


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #19305870 - 12/21/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

never seen it nor do I plan to but I work at Kohls and we sell an obscene amount of duck dynasty shit. I don't understand.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #19305890 - 12/21/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not having cable leads me to lead a life of instances like this that happen often....does that make sense? :jah:


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: thizzlemaniac]
    #19305894 - 12/21/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hate american media


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: berdinwall]
    #19305897 - 12/21/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

someone please hack the big screen in times square and show everyone the beheading of anne frank


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: berdinwall] * 1
    #19305904 - 12/21/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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berdinwall said:
I hate american media




The way the media exploded on this you would have thunk a world leader was the one who said anti-gay remarks :lol:

but instead it was this guy



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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #19305916 - 12/21/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

sigh...honestly I'd still be pissed if a world leader said it and that's still the headline of the news....there are STILL WAY BIGGER PROBLEMS than talk of gays from any one man


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #19305921 - 12/21/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

'merica...:facepalm:


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: berdinwall]
    #19305923 - 12/21/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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berdinwall said:
sigh...honestly I'd still be pissed if a world leader said it and that's still the headline of the news....there are STILL WAY BIGGER PROBLEMS than talk of gays from any one man




yeah no doubt


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #19306133 - 12/21/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the defenders on FB are the most hilarious.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla]
    #19306156 - 12/21/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:jacked:  hahaha fucking amisih mafia...There is an episode where they try some little mushroom and start tripping....:lmafo:


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #19306202 - 12/21/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

all those reality shows are just 30 minutes of:  hey, look at this weird type of people we exploited.  talk amongst your bland friends tomorrow about how they're abnormal and worthy of laughter.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla]
    #19306226 - 12/21/13 03:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

exactly!


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #19306565 - 12/21/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like that you mention Miley Cyrus, lol

However in one case people are arguing over whether what Miley Cyrus did was "obscene" or in poor taste, or offensive, and some even think a deliberate attempt by her "handlers" in humiliating her, for whatever reason.

This however is some celebrity who is in no way a politician, and he didn't even say this stuff on air, it's a magazine article.

I have never watched one minute of Duck Dynasty, had to look up on Wikipedia what it is about but maybe people talking about this like some free speech issue need to realize he didn't get arrested, charged or investigated for making such comments, he just faces the consequences of that by a private cable channel. He can say what he wants but A and E can drop his show regardless, people act like he is being beaten and flogged over this issue for chrissake


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Cannabischarlie] * 1
    #19306580 - 12/21/13 06:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i've never seen the show, but it would seem A&E has the right to do whatever they want with THEIR business. if they don't want to be represented by his comments then fire his ass. I know the conservatives are super butt hurt over this.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: berdinwall]
    #19306589 - 12/21/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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berdinwall said:
someone please hack the big screen in times square and show everyone the beheading of anne frank




The beheading of Anne Frank? You mean the Jewish, attic dwelling, diary writing Anne Frank? I thought she died of Typhus?

That statement confused the hell out of me. lol


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: JonnyBtreed]
    #19306612 - 12/21/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I honestly thought this show was about hockey


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Pureless]
    #19306760 - 12/21/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Before I speak on it, keep in mind that I absolutely HATE 99% of TV shows.

1. The show is actually pretty damn hilarious until you found out that its scripted like all the other shows before it. The cast says that they don't read the scripts but I can tell they do a little if not all the time. So basically it's funny if you watch it once in a blue moon.

2. Yes, America's troubled with bull shit and have no real important matters on their mind. Americans are fucking stupid, I want to leave this ignorant country.

3. As Phil would say, "amen".


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #19306792 - 12/21/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Niffla said:
2. Is our media so fucking retarded and dumbed down here in the states that a cast member from some cheesy reality series on A&E warrants THIS MUCH attention over some anti-gay remarks? For fuck's sake this shit has been on the front page of CNN the past few days. Don't we have other shit to worry about? It's like the Miley Cyrus VMA performance all over again. It has absolutely exploded.





Hur dur Duck Dynasty hur dur.

Oh yeah there is a possible civil war brewing in Ukraine http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-eu-support-conflict-465/

But srsly gyz shame on a&e free the dck dynasty guy! dur hur


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Pureless]
    #19306861 - 12/21/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Pureless said:
i've never seen the show, but it would seem A&E has the right to do whatever they want with THEIR business. if they don't want to be represented by his comments then fire his ass. I know the conservatives are super butt hurt over this.




A&E is doing just that, the funny part is that the family has come forward,
they've told people to read the rest of what was stated by the guy, not just
what a few media whores are pushing and they've also stated that if the old
man is not on the show that they will walk away as well. who would have
thought that if you ask a 70 year old christian redneck what his opinion is
on something that he would give it...

there's also a 'boycott' of A&E and duck dynasty goods going on facebook,
while it may not be that damned effective against the station, the
promotion of the duck commander goods my do more to make these folks even
wealthier so just like with the boycott against Chik-fil-a when the owner
stated he doesnt agree with gay marriage, they stayed flooded with
business, they were reaching record sales because the boycott backfired

so what is all of this? it's 'gotcha' journalism, it's journalists making
the news, it has nothing to do with anything other than to keep some stupid
shit in the public eye so they can say 'look at all the victims of this
hatred' when in reality, not a single person was hurt by some old mans
statement against gays and if someone really did get their feelings hurt
over it, they should consider growing the fuck up


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: MisterSandman] * 1
    #19306863 - 12/21/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

good for that guy

and fuck how this society has to be so fucking politically correct...as if racism isnt fucking real and eveythings so happy and perfect all the time, kids these days will never understand what adversity is or how to deal with it, which is sad


and homophbia is such a fucking bad way to put it...no one is afraid of gay people, we simply just dont like them...i hate how that word basically means your afraid of gays...thats bullshit and everyone knows it

are racists who dont like black people called "ni****phobic"??? no

homophobia is a name made up by fags to make themselves feel better about sucking so bad


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Bassfreak]
    #19306901 - 12/21/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do you really think being gay has anything do do with "sin" or bestiality?

I mean come on, gay people tend to just be normal people with a quirky personality and a different sexual attraction. It's not like they control that attraction, it's like when you're out at the store and you see a woman with a great ass and you think "damn..." to yourself. You can't HELP your attraction, it's just there. I mean, what if one day, somebody went up to you and yelled "sinner! heathen! be cast into the fiery pits of hell before you start raping ducks and flamingos! Stop having unclean STRAIGHT thoughts or burn in hell!"? Think about it, you have limited control over your own straight sexual desires and c'mon, why would you want to repress them? Now why would it be fair to tell a gay person to do the same thing? It isn't.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: MisterSandman]
    #19306911 - 12/21/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MisterSandman said:
Oh yeah there is a possible civil war brewing in Ukraine http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-eu-support-conflict-465/





and this affects me how, I mean it wont spill over the border into my state,
sure we may see some refuges as we do in many of these clashes but it still
affects me like this guy from duck dynasty stating his opinion


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19306912 - 12/21/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Pureless said:
i've never seen the show, but it would seem A&E has the right to do whatever they want with THEIR business. if they don't want to be represented by his comments then fire his ass. I know the conservatives are super butt hurt over this.




A&E is doing just that, the funny part is that the family has come forward,
they've told people to read the rest of what was stated by the guy, not just
what a few media whores are pushing and they've also stated that if the old
man is not on the show that they will walk away as well. who would have
thought that if you ask a 70 year old christian redneck what his opinion is
on something that he would give it...

there's also a 'boycott' of A&E and duck dynasty goods going on facebook,
while it may not be that damned effective against the station, the
promotion of the duck commander goods my do more to make these folks even
wealthier so just like with the boycott against Chik-fil-a when the owner
stated he doesnt agree with gay marriage, they stayed flooded with
business, they were reaching record sales because the boycott backfired

so what is all of this? it's 'gotcha' journalism, it's journalists making
the news, it has nothing to do with anything other than to keep some stupid
shit in the public eye so they can say 'look at all the victims of this
hatred' when in reality, not a single person was hurt by some old mans
statement against gays and if someone really did get their feelings hurt
over it, they should consider growing the fuck up




I just think people misinterpret "free speech" when this guy is an employee of a private company. guess what, you can't say whatever you want.

If chik-fil-a owners want to denounce gay marriage that is their choice.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Synthe]
    #19306918 - 12/21/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you really think being gay has anything do do with "sin" or bestiality?

I mean come on, gay people tend to just be normal people with a quirky personality and a different sexual attraction. It's not like they control that attraction, it's like when you're out at the store and you see a woman with a great ass and you think "damn..." to yourself. You can't HELP your attraction, it's just there. I mean, what if one day, somebody went up to you and yelled "sinner! heathen! be cast into the fiery pits of hell before you start raping ducks and flamingos! Stop having unclean STRAIGHT thoughts or burn in hell!"? Think about it, you have limited control over your own straight sexual desires and c'mon, why would you want to repress them? Now why would it be fair to tell a gay person to do the same thing? It isn't.





dont sit here and try to change the way i feel then

cux according to you thats what all these gay people are doing, just being who they are, so take your own advice about my thoughts


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Synthe]
    #19306926 - 12/21/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Synthe said:
Do you really think being gay has anything do do with "sin" or bestiality?

I mean come on, gay people tend to just be normal people with a quirky personality and a different sexual attraction.




damn, sounds like you need a show on A&E so you can get fired too

I know straight people with quirky personalities but most of the gay people
I know are just like everyone else, they wake up, work, go home and live
their life, many you'd never know to be gay, they're quite normal, no
personality quirks to speak of


Quote:

You can't HELP your attraction, it's just there. I mean, what if one day, somebody went up to you and yelled "sinner! heathen! be cast into the fiery pits of hell before you start raping ducks and flamingos!




it was purely consensual, the duck said yes and the flamingo was filming the whole thing


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19306936 - 12/21/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I read about it in the paper. He didn't even say anything bad, he's just a blunt dude having a conversation, I know how that is.

Duck Dynasty is fucking gay though.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19306943 - 12/21/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm just gonna start watching that fucking show. I've heard about it way too many times, I've seen boardgames and a bunch of other shit about it.

Its starting to annoy me that I don't know WTF that show is about.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Patlal]
    #19306949 - 12/21/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
I'm just gonna start watching that fucking show. I've heard about it way too many times, I've seen boardgames and a bunch of other shit about it.

Its starting to annoy me that I don't know WTF that show is about.



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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Pureless]
    #19306953 - 12/21/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Pureless said:
I just think people misinterpret "free speech" when this guy is an employee of a private company. guess what, you can't say whatever you want.

If chik-fil-a owners want to denounce gay marriage that is their choice.





we're in complete agreement, the guy voiced his opinion and the network did
what they opted to do, once you become a public figure then you have a few
choices, you can go all Mel Gibson and limit your work and lower people's
opinions of you or you can keep your mouth shut and keep working

on the opposite end of the argument, a person can also choose not to watch
the show, not to buy the products or to not enter various establishments
and to even stage their boycott or protest, that again is their choice but
the one thing I've noticed is when they do these things, it often backfires
and the place they oppose ends up making more money and getting all the
free publicity so sometimes it's better to simply stop bringing attention
to the issue so it'll die out and those that disagree can simply not cater
to the haters without sending them more business


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19306960 - 12/21/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

XLCaps said:
Duck Dynasty is fucking gay though.





I wouldnt know, I see plenty of rednecks every day so I feel no need to watch the show


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Patlal]
    #19306965 - 12/21/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its a yuppie conspiracy I tell you.  They didn't like freedom lovingvrednecs influenceing people on TV so they set up that interview to mess up the show.

I mean why were they asking this guy about homosexuality?  What does that have to do with the show?  And isn't it obvious that rednecks from Louisiana are going yo say that?  Seriously I do kind of suspect that the show was intentionally sabotaged.  The huge amount of exposure its getting in left wing media kind of reinforces it.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19306972 - 12/21/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
I'm just gonna start watching that fucking show. I've heard about it way too many times, I've seen boardgames and a bunch of other shit about it.

Its starting to annoy me that I don't know WTF that show is about.



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I know straight people with quirky personalities but most of the gay people
I know are just like everyone else, they wake up, work, go home and live
their life, many you'd never know to be gay, they're quite normal, no
personality quirks to speak of




Come on now, everyone knows gays are always colourful supporting characters with cute quirks, in the big sitcom called life. That's why they're called queers, because they're a bit odd in a cute way, and they like shopping and pop songs.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19306976 - 12/21/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good on A&E for standing up for civilized values. Fuck those people who are making excuses for hate speech. I hope this starts a trend. In a civilized country, there needs to be consequences for hate.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19306977 - 12/21/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's like Fantasy Factory with boring rednecks who do shit pranks, talk shit, and do stupid shit. So basically Rob Dyrdek's show if it wasn't mildly amusing.

Maybe Jersey Shore:Rich Redneck Edition might be more appropriate.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19306983 - 12/21/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:on the opposite end of the argument, a person can also choose not to watch
the show, not to buy the products or to not enter various establishments
and to even stage their boycott or protest, that again is their choice but
the one thing I've noticed is when they do these things, it often backfires
and the place they oppose ends up making more money and getting all the
free publicity so sometimes it's better to simply stop bringing attention
to the issue so it'll die out and those that disagree can simply not cater
to the haters without sending them more business




exactly, im sure a hell of a lot more people will check this show out like many wondering wtf its about all of the sudden in this thread


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Quawonk]
    #19306986 - 12/21/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Good on A&E for standing up for civilized values. Fuck those people who are making excuses for hate speech. I hope this starts a trend. In a civilized country, there needs to be consequences for hate.





so you oppose free speech?
you oppose people having their own opinions?


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Pureless]
    #19306992 - 12/21/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:on the opposite end of the argument, a person can also choose not to watch
the show, not to buy the products or to not enter various establishments
and to even stage their boycott or protest, that again is their choice but
the one thing I've noticed is when they do these things, it often backfires
and the place they oppose ends up making more money and getting all the
free publicity so sometimes it's better to simply stop bringing attention
to the issue so it'll die out and those that disagree can simply not cater
to the haters without sending them more business




exactly, im sure a hell of a lot more people will check this show out like many wondering wtf its about all of the sudden in this thread





of which the whole thing could have been a huge marketing ploy to boost sales before christmas


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    #19307001 - 12/21/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Good on A&E for standing up for civilized values. Fuck those people who are making excuses for hate speech. I hope this starts a trend. In a civilized country, there needs to be consequences for hate.




In my mind freedom of speech is a civilized value that trumps yours.

I may not agree with what he says but ill defend his right to say it


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    #19307010 - 12/21/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quawonk said:
Good on A&E for standing up for civilized values. Fuck those people who are making excuses for hate speech. I hope this starts a trend. In a civilized country, there needs to be consequences for hate.




In my mind freedom of speech is a civilized value that trumps yours.

I may not agree with what he says but ill defend his right to say it





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    #19307015 - 12/21/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:on the opposite end of the argument, a person can also choose not to watch
the show, not to buy the products or to not enter various establishments
and to even stage their boycott or protest, that again is their choice but
the one thing I've noticed is when they do these things, it often backfires
and the place they oppose ends up making more money and getting all the
free publicity so sometimes it's better to simply stop bringing attention
to the issue so it'll die out and those that disagree can simply not cater
to the haters without sending them more business




exactly, im sure a hell of a lot more people will check this show out like many wondering wtf its about all of the sudden in this thread





of which the whole thing could have been a huge marketing ploy to boost sales before christmas




I always wonder about that, like recently shila beuf (whatever the fuck)blatantly plagiarized some guys work obviously knowing that it would surface...now he can't be that dumb, to me it looks like a marketing ploy for his own name (brand)and the short films he's been creating


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins] * 1
    #19307023 - 12/21/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Good on A&E for standing up for civilized values. Fuck those people who are making excuses for hate speech. I hope this starts a trend. In a civilized country, there needs to be consequences for hate.




In my mind freedom of speech is a civilized value that trumps yours.

I may not agree with what he says but ill defend his right to say it




Freedom from persecution trumps freedom to persecute.

You defend the persecutor because your civic religion tells you to.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Quawonk]
    #19307030 - 12/21/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
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Quawonk said:
Good on A&E for standing up for civilized values. Fuck those people who are making excuses for hate speech. I hope this starts a trend. In a civilized country, there needs to be consequences for hate.




In my mind freedom of speech is a civilized value that trumps yours.

I may not agree with what he says but ill defend his right to say it




Freedom from persecution trumps the right to persecute.

You defend the persecutor because your civic religion tells you to.





so you're saying it was wrong of A&E to get rid of the old guy since that's
persecuting someone based on their beliefs just as it's wrong of you to
persecute those that YOU deem to be 'haters'

it's good that you see the errors of your ways


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    #19307033 - 12/21/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And what did he say exactly that you consider hateful?

In his opinion, the condoning homosexuality, "leads to bestiality and sleeping with that woman, and that woman and that man."

Sounds like he's insulting those who are promiscuous or cheat on their spouse as much as he's insulting homosexuality.


He didn't say "I hate gay people" He said he didn't think it was right. And coming from a born again christian it shouldn't be all that surprising to anybody.

So people are speculating about his speculations and getting butthurt about it.

Well Said- "The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except those they disagree with," Jindal said in a statement.


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    #19307045 - 12/21/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

1. I'm not religious.

2. Speech is not a tenable form of persecution.

3.  I don't even agree with him, either about homosexuality or what the bible says about it.

the point is that you cannot ban controverial speech.  That's stalinist authoritarian leftist bullshit.  You defeat his position in open intellectual debate and convince people you're right.

why are you leftists so damned obsessed with putting guns in the room to force people to agree with your opinions?  I find that much more offensive than phils comments.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19307062 - 12/21/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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1. I'm not religious.

2. Speech is not a tenable form of persecution.

3.  I don't even agree with him, either about homosexuality or what the bible says about it.

the point is that you cannot ban controverial speech.  That's stalinist authoritarian leftist bullshit.  You defeat his position in open intellectual debate and convince people you're right.

why are you leftists so damned obsessed with putting guns in the room to force people to agree with your opinions?  I find that much more offensive than phils comments.




obviously the company HE was under contract with thought differently, and that's all that really matters


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    #19307072 - 12/21/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Obviously its not all that matters.


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    #19307076 - 12/21/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the point is that you cannot ban controverial speech. 





many nations have and they prosecute you for hate speech, canada is one of
those nations so there is no free speech for canadians. Quawonk is a canadian
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    #19307079 - 12/21/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Pureless]
    #19307096 - 12/21/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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obviously the company HE was under contract with thought differently, and that's all that really matters





it's not a free speech issue with this duck guy shit, Quawonk stated that we
shouldnt have free speech, we all know that A&E is a private entity and they
set their rules and have no obligation to abide by the bill of rights but to
claim for an outright ban on hate speech, how many people would be in prison
for talking shit about muslims or obama... now consider how many here would
be in prison for talking shit about bush or christians

so maybe I'm down with banning hate speech after all

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    #19307099 - 12/21/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.




canada is so left that the left seems right


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    #19307117 - 12/21/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.



Everyone thought Canada would legalize pot first, now the States are getting in on it and Canada is cracking down on possession. WTF?

I hate you, Steven Harper. I really really really do.

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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19307118 - 12/21/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

First let me start out I don't care if your gay or not. I have gay friends. Now let me say what did the guy say? Nothing hateful he said he didn't agree with it or understand it and he quoted some of the bible. He has a right to interpret the bible the way he wants and he has the freedom of speech to say what he wants when it doesn't put anyone else's libertys in question. It is a double standard that alot of hollywood and the gay community goes by. They have the right to say that in this case "He is a backwoods redneck ignorant homophobe" and not only that push it until he got suspended off the show. It is awful that they have the right to call him all those hateful negative things and ruin his lively hood but he don't have the right to say how he feels. It is really one sided.


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    #19307124 - 12/21/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Obviously its not all that matters.




obviously what the rest of the US thinks comes into play when they made their decision to axe him, but I think you missed my point


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    #19307138 - 12/21/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.



Everyone thought Canada would legalize pot first, now the States are getting in on it and Canada is cracking down on possession. WTF?

I hate you, Steven Harper. I really really really do.

Atleast we have prostitutes now :cool:




canada has always been cracking down on weed, they have as many arrests per
capita for drug offenses as the US, the canadia propaganda machine likes to
convince people otherwise so they can trap and arrest pot heads

even the far right state of Georgia had medical marijuana laws on the books
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    #19307146 - 12/21/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In my mind freedom of speech is a civilized value that trumps yours.

I may not agree with what he says but ill defend his right to say it




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    #19307208 - 12/21/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm just gonna start watching that fucking show. I've heard about it way too many times, I've seen boardgames and a bunch of other shit about it.

Its starting to annoy me that I don't know WTF that show is about.



Have you ever watched Rob Dyrdek's Fantasy Factory?




What the flying fuck is that?????


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    #19307215 - 12/21/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Shins said:
Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.




canada is so left that the left seems right




We are very economically and fiscally conservative. It's the reason we survived the recession.

Our social values are slightly left of center. Just the way I like it.

We kinda cherry picked the good stuff from the right and and combined it with the good stuff from the left. It worked beautifully.


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    #19307224 - 12/21/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm just gonna start watching that fucking show. I've heard about it way too many times, I've seen boardgames and a bunch of other shit about it.

Its starting to annoy me that I don't know WTF that show is about.



Have you ever watched Rob Dyrdek's Fantasy Factory?




What the flying fuck is that?????



It was on MTV for the longest time. He's a shitty overaged skateboarder who buys dumb shit and does dumb shit. Same stuff as Duck Dynasty, except they are rednecks and they bitch more.


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    #19307231 - 12/21/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
I'm just gonna start watching that fucking show. I've heard about it way too many times, I've seen boardgames and a bunch of other shit about it.

Its starting to annoy me that I don't know WTF that show is about.



Have you ever watched Rob Dyrdek's Fantasy Factory?




What the flying fuck is that?????



It was on MTV for the longest time. He's a shitty overaged skateboarder who buys dumb shit and does dumb shit. Same stuff as Duck Dynasty, except they are rednecks and they bitch more.




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    #19307237 - 12/21/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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even the far right state of Georgia had medical marijuana laws on the books
in 1980 which proves that prohibition has been and always will be a move
from the left to restrict your freedoms because leftists hate freedom




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    #19307263 - 12/21/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.




canada is so left that the left seems right




We are very economically and fiscally conservative. It's the reason we survived the recession.

Our social values are slightly left of center. Just the way I like it.

We kinda cherry picked the good stuff from the right and and combined it with the good stuff from the left. It worked beautifully.





Bs, canada is not economically conservative in the slightest and the reason ee weathered the recession is our abundance of resource exports.  The fact that you think we are conservative just shows how far left canada and canadians are. Ironically in canada we fund left wing programs by raping our natural resources.

when you cherry pick left and right wing policies that is called Fascism.  Some would say fadcism works beautifully, especially people like the ones who want to stifle free speech.


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    #19307294 - 12/21/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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i've never seen the show, but it would seem A&E has the right to do whatever they want with THEIR business. if they don't want to be represented by his comments then fire his ass. I know the conservatives are super butt hurt over this.




A&E is doing just that, the funny part is that the family has come forward,
they've told people to read the rest of what was stated by the guy, not just
what a few media whores are pushing and they've also stated that if the old
man is not on the show that they will walk away as well. who would have
thought that if you ask a 70 year old christian redneck what his opinion is
on something that he would give it...

there's also a 'boycott' of A&E and duck dynasty goods going on facebook,
while it may not be that damned effective against the station, the
promotion of the duck commander goods my do more to make these folks even
wealthier so just like with the boycott against Chik-fil-a when the owner
stated he doesnt agree with gay marriage, they stayed flooded with
business, they were reaching record sales because the boycott backfired

so what is all of this? it's 'gotcha' journalism, it's journalists making
the news, it has nothing to do with anything other than to keep some stupid
shit in the public eye so they can say 'look at all the victims of this
hatred' when in reality, not a single person was hurt by some old mans
statement against gays and if someone really did get their feelings hurt
over it, they should consider growing the fuck up






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    #19307302 - 12/21/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.




canada is so left that the left seems right




We are very economically and fiscally conservative. It's the reason we survived the recession.

Our social values are slightly left of center. Just the way I like it.

We kinda cherry picked the good stuff from the right and and combined it with the good stuff from the left. It worked beautifully.





Bs, canada is not economically conservative in the slightest and the reason ee weathered the recession is our abundance of resource exports.  The fact that you think we are conservative just shows how far left canada and canadians are. Ironically in canada we fund left wing programs by raping our natural resources.

when you cherry pick left and right wing policies that is called Fascism.  Some would say fadcism works beautifully, especially people like the ones who want to stifle free speech.




That free speech thing always comes back...

It's a cultural thing. We have no problem with free speech, we have a problem with hate speech meant to provoke. We are world renouned because of our Canadian politeness. Hate speech incites violence and intolerance. It doesn't have a place in our culture. Although it's not illegal, it's just frowned upon very badly and there's a certain invisible line that you should not cross. We have to many people from different backgrounds/countries/religion etc. Somehow everyone coexists happily up in here and we want to keep it that way.


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    #19307308 - 12/21/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OK... it's not even worth my time to respond. I don't have the time to do a point by point to every comment, and I really couldn't be bothered, especially with such absurd strawmen like "Quawonk doesn't think we should have free speech" but I will respond with this. Take it or leave it.

If governments try to stop people criticizing (not outright hating or discriminating against) religion or criticizing politicians and leaders then I'll stand beside you guys in protest. But that's not what we're talking about here, we're talking about hate toward a group based on something they cannot control, and based on no logic or evidence, just pure hate. As long as laws stick to outlawing hate speech against things people cannot control (sexual orientation, gender, race, disability, age, etc.), I'm in favor.

You like to pretend that speech doesn't affect people, but if that was true, there would be no advertising industry, nor political campaigns. Hate speech makes people's lives unlivable. If it goes on for long enough, and is spread far enough, people have to live a lie, live in fear, live in shame, and that is not healthy. I believe that the right to live free from persecution is the most important value. Certainly much more important than giving these disgusting bigots a platform because a 200 year old document says to, and for no other reason.

There is no excuse for defending this kind of hate and we should start thinking outside the box a little bit. But you Americans refuse to budge on your dogmatic, absolutist positions, so this is really a waste of my time, wouldn't you agree?


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    #19307312 - 12/21/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That free speech thing always comes back...

It's a cultural thing. We have no problem with free speech, we have a problem with hate speech meant to provoke. We are world renouned because of our Canadian politeness. Hate speech incites violence and intolerance. It doesn't have a place in our culture. Although it's not illegal, it's just frowned upon very badly and there's a certain invisible line that you should not cross. We have to many people from different backgrounds/countries/religion etc. Somehow everyone coexists happily up in here and we want to keep it that way.




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    #19307340 - 12/21/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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But you Americans refuse to budge on your dogmatic, absolutist positions, so this is really a waste of my time, wouldn't you agree?




I wouldn't. Who paved the way for the rights of homosexual people again? Russia perhaps? lol

You're mixing up the issues. Most Americans don't give a shit what gays, blacks, whites, indians, whatever want to do. It's become a matter of Free Speech vs. Employee responsibility.

We are big on free speech here in the States. If you couldn't tell. Whether people support HIS RIGHT to say it, or whether they support WHAT HE SAID are two very different issues.

You seem to feel that people shouldn't have the right to say hurtful things. Which is bullshit. We have the right to say whatever we want and we've gotten many things accomplished that other countries couldn't because of this right.

By the way, it's sounds an awful lot like you're grouping all Americans together and calling us narrow minded conservatives who can never admit to being wrong. Sounds an awful lot like hate speech to me... Hmmm weird.


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    #19307367 - 12/21/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19307382 - 12/21/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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OK... it's not even worth my time to respond. I don't have the time to do a point by point to every comment, and I really couldn't be bothered, especially with such absurd strawmen like "Quawonk doesn't think we should have free speech" but I will respond with this. Take it or leave it.

If governments try to stop people criticizing (not outright hating or discriminating against) religion or criticizing politicians and leaders then I'll stand beside you guys in protest. But that's not what we're talking about here, we're talking about hate toward a group based on something they cannot control, and based on no logic or evidence, just pure hate. As long as laws stick to outlawing hate speech against things people cannot control (sexual orientation, gender, race, disability, age, etc.), I'm in favor.

You like to pretend that speech doesn't affect people, but if that was true, there would be no advertising industry, nor political campaigns. Hate speech makes people's lives unlivable. If it goes on for long enough, and is spread far enough, people have to live a lie, live in fear, live in shame, and that is not healthy. I believe that the right to live free from persecution is the most important value. Certainly much more important than giving these disgusting bigots a platform because a 200 year old document says to, and for no other reason.

There is no excuse for defending this kind of hate and we should start thinking outside the box a little bit. But you Americans refuse to budge on your dogmatic, absolutist positions, so this is really a waste of my time, wouldn't you agree?




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    #19307403 - 12/21/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ironic isn't it. 3 paragraphs scolding us for being not thinking openly and the fourth labeling us as a whole.

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    #19307560 - 12/21/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its a very slippery slope.  I bet many leftists would like to call criticizing obama hate speech.


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    #19307764 - 12/21/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Back on topic-

Hahaha This had me laughing my ass off-

Best part is the pictures of the duck dynasty guys before they were on TV.











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    #19307869 - 12/21/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Never seen it, dont care about the news either. This post is as involved as ill ever get


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    #19307884 - 12/21/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's ridiculous how you label stuff as hate speech because you don't agree. He was just stating his opinion which is based on a book that's been around for a thousand years give or take.


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    #19307913 - 12/21/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think it's ridiculous how you label stuff as hate speech because you don't agree. He was just stating his opinion which is based on a book that's been around for a thousand years give or take.





That's the thing.  Leftists want to arbitrary call opinions that differ from theirs hate speech.  Today its duck dynasty, tomorrow criticizing leftist policies will ba hate speech.  Just like in the soviet union they want to be able to take you away if you express a dissenting opinion.


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    #19307916 - 12/21/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #19307950 - 12/21/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think it's ridiculous how you label stuff as hate speech because you don't agree. He was just stating his opinion which is based on a book that's been around for a thousand years give or take.





That's the thing.  Leftists want to arbitrary call opinions that differ from theirs hate speech.  Today its duck dynasty, tomorrow criticizing leftist policies will ba hate speech.  Just like in the soviet union they want to be able to take you away if you express a dissenting opinion.



I always thought the idea of anti-hate speech laws were to keep muthafucaks like the Westboro Baptist Church from running around with "gawd hates geys" signs at soldiers funerals.
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    #19307991 - 12/21/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think it's ridiculous how you label stuff as hate speech because you don't agree. He was just stating his opinion which is based on a book that's been around for a thousand years give or take.





That's the thing.  Leftists want to arbitrary call opinions that differ from theirs hate speech.  Today its duck dynasty, tomorrow criticizing leftist policies will ba hate speech.  Just like in the soviet union they want to be able to take you away if you express a dissenting opinion.



I always thought the idea of anti-hate speech laws were to keep muthafucaks like the Westboro Baptist Church from running around with "gawd hates geys" signs at soldiers funerals.
There's a reason Canadians don't give a shit about them, they don't have to hear about it on their front lawn





And why do you think you should have the right to stifle the right for the westboro babtist church to peacably assemble and speak freely?

do you not see the dangers in setting a precedent for limiting speech? 

That's some soviet style orwellian shit dude.  Highly unwise.  You only are fine with it because their opinion differs from yours.  Imagine if the government made it illegal to talk about shrooms, how would you like that?  Limiting speech is extremely dangerous to intellectual thought and development.  You want to make things thought crimes.  Its extremely distressing to know people so short sighted and unwise like you exist!  Let me guess you're a left winger?


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    #19308001 - 12/21/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can't believe I need to lecture people on why freedom of speech is important.  WTF have the leftists done to america??


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I think it's ridiculous how you label stuff as hate speech because you don't agree. He was just stating his opinion which is based on a book that's been around for a thousand years give or take.




That's the thing.  Leftists want to arbitrary call opinions that differ from theirs hate speech.



What these so-called 'leftists' wish to designate as hate speech has no bearing on how Canadian law actually defines hate speech.
In Canada, both the criminal code of Canada and the human rights commission have clauses that limit freedom of speech.

The more serious one, found in the criminal code, states that advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' qualifies as hate speech--not merely a contentious opinion but flat out promotion of genocide. Exceptions are also made for cases of statements of truth, as well as subjects of public debate and religious doctrine.
It stems from the idea that this type of speech has no redeeming value for society--which, although contentious, many believe to be a valid point.

The human rights commission doesn't directly speak towards hate speech, but rather that of an individuals right to live free of discrimination--which has then be interpreted to include hate speech.
This one stems from the idea that right to live free of discrimination trumps the right for freedom of speech, when the two are directly contrasting.

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    #19308007 - 12/21/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Imagine if the government made it illegal to talk about shrooms, how would you like that?



They would first have to show how talking about shrooms promotes genocide or incites hatred toward an identifiable group.

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    #19308036 - 12/21/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Saying mean things is not discrimination.  Acting on it is, there's a difference.

who are you or anyone else to judge what has value to society?  That's the problem with you leftists, you all think so higly of yourselves that you think you can judge what other people should or shouldn't value or think.  YOU ARE NOT NEARLY SMART ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT CALL.  The beauty of freedom is that the individual is left to judge that for himself, not some violent, authoritaian, nanny smartass statist leftist with his head up his own ass.


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Imagine if the government made it illegal to talk about shrooms, how would you like that?



They would first have to show how talking about shrooms promotes genocide or incites hatred toward an identifiable group.

Your point is null.




why?  The government could potentially legislate anything it wants.  It could say anything it wants is restricted speech, don't you see that?


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    #19308048 - 12/21/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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JonnyBtreed said:Who paved the way for the rights of homosexual people again? Russia perhaps? lol




How about my my freedom-hating country of Canada? And almost 10 years ago, too, before it even really became an issue.

"lol" indeed. I honestly did laugh out loud when I read that. Thank you for that. Felt good.

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Most Americans don't give a shit what gays, blacks, whites, indians, whatever want to do.




Funny how when it's put to a vote (outrageous that a basic human rights issue like this can be put to popular vote in the first place) it always seems to fail. Why is that?

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We are big on free speech here in the States. If you couldn't tell.




Oh believe me, I can tell. Replace "free" with "hate" and even more so.

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Whether people support HIS RIGHT to say it, or whether they support WHAT HE SAID are two very different issues. You seem to feel that people shouldn't have the right to say hurtful things. Which is bullshit. We have the right to say whatever we want




It's not saying "hurtful things". It's not like simply calling someone a poopyhead. This is a prolonged campaign of hate, that has been institutionalized and embedded into the minds of the people and it incites violence and intolerance as Patlal said above. Surely you can see the difference.

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we've gotten many things accomplished that other countries couldn't because of this right.




Yes! Congratulations on legalizing gay marriage! Great first step! ... oh wait.

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By the way, it's sounds an awful lot like you're grouping all Americans together and calling us narrow minded conservatives who can never admit to being wrong. Sounds an awful

lot like hate speech to me... Hmmm weird.




I call it like I see it and this thread certainly does nothing to convince me otherwise.

And again, hate speech is about things people cannot control. You can control your dogmatic thinking. All it takes is the will.

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I think it's ridiculous how you label stuff as hate speech because you don't agree. He was just stating his opinion which is based on a book that's been around for a thousand years give or take.




It's not about agreement, it's about the incitement to violence and the intolerance against people because of things they cannot help. Jesus, are you people thick?*

And that's really what it boils down to, religion. Probably the single biggest source of hatred in the history of the planet. Outlaw religion, no. Outlaw the hateful part of it, yes. Pre-emptive strike. Don't even try to go there.

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Its a very slippery slope. I bet many leftists would like to call criticizing obama hate speech.




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Today its duck dynasty, tomorrow criticizing leftist policies will ba hate speech.  Just like in the soviet union they want to be able to take you away if you express a dissenting

opinion.




Perhaps you should actually read a website before linking to it in your signature. Just a thought.

And those leftists would be wrong if they're talking about criticizing his policies. But if they're talking about criticizing his race, yes, that would be hate speech. He can control his policies, he can't control his race. This is not rocket science.

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I always thought the idea of anti-hate speech laws were to keep muthafucaks like the Westboro Baptist Church from running around with "gawd hates geys" signs at soldiers funerals.
There's a reason Canadians don't give a shit about them, they don't have to hear about it on their front lawn




Naw, don't you see? People having to put up with that shit is what makes America so vastly superior to Canada!


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    #19308054 - 12/21/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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OK... it's not even worth my time to respond. I don't have the time to do a point by point to every comment, and I really couldn't be bothered, especially with such absurd strawmen like "Quawonk doesn't think we should have free speech" but I will respond with this. Take it or leave it.

If governments try to stop people criticizing (not outright hating or discriminating against) religion or criticizing politicians and leaders then I'll stand beside you guys in protest. But that's not what we're talking about here, we're talking about hate toward a group based on something they cannot control, and based on no logic or evidence, just pure hate. As long as laws stick to outlawing hate speech against things people cannot control (sexual orientation, gender, race, disability, age, etc.), I'm in favor.

You like to pretend that speech doesn't affect people, but if that was true, there would be no advertising industry, nor political campaigns. Hate speech makes people's lives unlivable. If it goes on for long enough, and is spread far enough, people have to live a lie, live in fear, live in shame, and that is not healthy. I believe that the right to live free from persecution is the most important value. Certainly much more important than giving these disgusting bigots a platform because a 200 year old document says to, and for no other reason.

There is no excuse for defending this kind of hate and we should start thinking outside the box a little bit. But you Americans refuse to budge on your dogmatic, absolutist positions, so this is really a waste of my time, wouldn't you agree?




"As long as laws stick to outlawing hate speech against things people cannot control, I'm in favor."

So you want someone in the government to decide what's "hate speech"?    How do they determine what is "hate speech" and what is political debate?

Sounds like you have little issue with sacrificing free speech to protect people from what some government official is going to determine might be "hate speech".

What is I say, "young black males have a statistically high probability to be involved in the criminal justice system", is that hate speech, or is that a factual statement?  Who should determine this?


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    #19308069 - 12/21/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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OK... it's not even worth my time to respond. I don't have the time to do a point by point to every comment, and I really couldn't be bothered, especially with such absurd strawmen like "Quawonk doesn't think we should have free speech" but I will respond with this. Take it or leave it.

If governments try to stop people criticizing (not outright hating or discriminating against) religion or criticizing politicians and leaders then I'll stand beside you guys in protest. But that's not what we're talking about here, we're talking about hate toward a group based on something they cannot control, and based on no logic or evidence, just pure hate. As long as laws stick to outlawing hate speech against things people cannot control (sexual orientation, gender, race, disability, age, etc.), I'm in favor.

You like to pretend that speech doesn't affect people, but if that was true, there would be no advertising industry, nor political campaigns. Hate speech makes people's lives unlivable. If it goes on for long enough, and is spread far enough, people have to live a lie, live in fear, live in shame, and that is not healthy. I believe that the right to live free from persecution is the most important value. Certainly much more important than giving these disgusting bigots a platform because a 200 year old document says to, and for no other reason.

There is no excuse for defending this kind of hate and we should start thinking outside the box a little bit. But you Americans refuse to budge on your dogmatic, absolutist positions, so this is really a waste of my time, wouldn't you agree?




"As long as laws stick to outlawing hate speech against things people cannot control, I'm in favor."

So you want someone in the government to decide what's "hate speech"?    How do they determine what is "hate speech" and what is political debate?

Sounds like you have little issue with sacrificing free speech to protect people from what some government official is going to determine might be "hate speech".

What is I say, "young black males have a statistically high probability to be involved in the criminal justice system", is that hate speech, or is that a factual statement?  Who should determine this?




It's an opinion, as you do not specify how much "high" means. If you said more likely than whites then it would be a fact, much in part due to racial profiling.


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    #19308073 - 12/21/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So talking about race is hate speech?

so then lets ban the of science of biology and genetics.

this my point, restricting thought and speech restricts human innovation development.

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    #19308077 - 12/21/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Saying mean things is not discrimination.  Acting on it is, there's a difference.



Except, once again, we are not referring to 'saying mean things' when we refer to hate speech. We are talking about the active promotion of genocide and incitement of others to hatred. AKA, what the Nazis did towards the jews, romas, mentally handicapped, homosexuals in Europe--AKA, what the Hutus did to the Tsutis in Rwanda--AKA, what the Serbs did to Bosnian muslims in Croatia.

We aren't talking of mere hurt feelings, ok?

And, if you study the literature on genocide, you will learn that propaghanda and hate speech have a direct influence on the development of genocide:

The Eight Stages of Genocide

1. Classification: People are divided into "us and them". The main preventive measure at this early stage is to develop universalistic institutions that transcend divisions.

2. Symbolization: When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups. To combat symbolization, hate symbols can be legally forbidden as can hate speech.

3. Dehumanization: One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects, or diseases. Local and international leaders should condemn the use of hate speech and make it culturally unacceptable. Leaders who incite genocide should be banned from international travel and have their foreign finances frozen."

4. Organization: Genocide is always organized. Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. The U.N. should impose arms embargoes on governments and citizens of countries involved in genocidal massacres, and create commissions to investigate violations.

5. Polarization: Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Prevention may mean security protection for moderate leaders or assistance to human rights groups. Coups d’état by extremists should be opposed by international sanctions.

6. Preparation: Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. At this stage, a Genocide Emergency must be declared.

7. Extermination: It is 'extermination' to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human. At this stage, only rapid and overwhelming armed intervention can stop genocide. Real safe areas or refugee escape corridors should be established with heavily armed international protection.

8. Denial: The perpetrators deny that they committed any crimes. The response to denial is punishment by an international tribunal or national courts.





So no, it's not just one person--or one group--arbitrarilty passing judgement on what has value in society and what doesn't--it is the result of hard learned lessons from genocides that have already happened in the past--through an attempt to understand what caused them and to prevent them from occurring again. By the time things have progressed from 'speech' to 'action', the gears of genocide are already in full operation.


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Dude you're having trouble distinguishing speech from action. Learn the difference.


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Imagine if the government made it illegal to talk about shrooms, how would you like that?



They would first have to show how talking about shrooms promotes genocide or incites hatred toward an identifiable group.

Your point is null.




why?  The government could potentially legislate anything it wants.  It could say anything it wants is restricted speech, don't you see that?



Ok, and should that hypothetical situation ever come to arise, I will be on the front ranks resisting it.

But that hypothetical situation is not reality and as such has no bearing on my current standing.


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Oh yeah there is a possible civil war brewing in Ukraine http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-eu-support-conflict-465/





and this affects me how, I mean it wont spill over the border into my state,
sure we may see some refuges as we do in many of these clashes but it still
affects me like this guy from duck dynasty stating his opinion




ummm well it's straining US and Russian relations. This, plus the Syria situation has some pretty hardcore Cold War undertones, the fact that Putin is in power doesn't help. Ukraine also still has some nuclear weapons which opens up a host of other problems that will most certainly affect you if the situation progress in the wrong direction.

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OK... it's not even worth my time to respond. I don't have the time to do a point by point to every comment, and I really couldn't be bothered, especially with such absurd strawmen like "Quawonk doesn't think we should have free speech" but I will respond with this. Take it or leave it.

If governments try to stop people criticizing (not outright hating or discriminating against) religion or criticizing politicians and leaders then I'll stand beside you guys in protest. But that's not what we're talking about here, we're talking about hate toward a group based on something they cannot control, and based on no logic or evidence, just pure hate. As long as laws stick to outlawing hate speech against things people cannot control (sexual orientation, gender, race, disability, age, etc.), I'm in favor.

You like to pretend that speech doesn't affect people, but if that was true, there would be no advertising industry, nor political campaigns. Hate speech makes people's lives unlivable. If it goes on for long enough, and is spread far enough, people have to live a lie, live in fear, live in shame, and that is not healthy. I believe that the right to live free from persecution is the most important value. Certainly much more important than giving these disgusting bigots a platform because a 200 year old document says to, and for no other reason.

There is no excuse for defending this kind of hate and we should start thinking outside the box a little bit. But you Americans refuse to budge on your dogmatic, absolutist positions, so this is really a waste of my time, wouldn't you agree?




"As long as laws stick to outlawing hate speech against things people cannot control, I'm in favor."

So you want someone in the government to decide what's "hate speech"?    How do they determine what is "hate speech" and what is political debate?

Sounds like you have little issue with sacrificing free speech to protect people from what some government official is going to determine might be "hate speech".

What is I say, "young black males have a statistically high probability to be involved in the criminal justice system", is that hate speech, or is that a factual statement?  Who should determine this?




It's an opinion, as you do not specify how much "high" means. If you said more likely than whites then it would be a fact, much in part due to racial profiling.




So is that "opinion" hate speech?  You are saying the opinion is incorrect because of racial profiling, therefore a misleading opinion could very well be deemed "hate speech", should I turn myself in at the police station?


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    #19308106 - 12/21/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Dude you're having trouble distinguishing speech from action. Learn the difference.



No, I have a clear understanding of the two, and clearly differntiated between the two in the post you have responded too--why not respond to the actual points I made, or at least submit an argument towards how I have confused speech with action, rather than just leave a blanket statement that challenged my post without actually challenging anything.

Are you not understanding how research into how past genocides have developed and occurred has directly led to the understanding that hate speech is an integral part of the process?

Why not challenge this connection I am proposing instead? Because right now, your argument is weak.


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    #19308107 - 12/21/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So talking about race is hate speech?

so then lets ban the of science of biology and genetics.

this my point, restricting thought and speech restricts human innovation development.

I can't believe I need to explain this.




And I can't believe that you equated science and genetics to hate speech based on race. Seeing as how you ignored every other point I made, I can see that trying to have a reasoned discussion with you will be as constructive as trying to have a reasoned discussion with a hammer.


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    #19308128 - 12/21/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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JonnyBtreed said:Who paved the way for the rights of homosexual people again? Russia perhaps? lol




How about my my freedom-hating country of Canada? And almost 10 years ago, too, before it even really became an issue.

Massachusetts did it in 2004.

"lol" indeed. I honestly did laugh out loud when I read that. Thank you for that. Felt good.

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Most Americans don't give a shit what gays, blacks, whites, indians, whatever want to do.




Funny how when it's put to a vote (outrageous that a basic human rights issue like this can be put to popular vote in the first place) it always seems to fail. Why is that?

You tell me we elected a black man president two times in a row. Seems your logic fails there.

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We are big on free speech here in the States. If you couldn't tell.




Oh believe me, I can tell. Replace "free" with "hate" and even more so.

There you go with more of that anti-American hate talk.

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Whether people support HIS RIGHT to say it, or whether they support WHAT HE SAID are two very different issues. You seem to feel that people shouldn't have the right to say hurtful things. Which is bullshit. We have the right to say whatever we want




It's not saying "hurtful things". It's not like simply calling someone a poopyhead. This is a prolonged campaign of hate, that has been institutionalized and embedded into the minds of the people and it incites violence and intolerance as Patlal said above. Surely you can see the difference.

I can't, once you make legislation for one thing, many more will follow.I will never agree with outlawing ANY type of free speech. Sorry.

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we've gotten many things accomplished that other countries couldn't because of this right.




Yes! Congratulations on legalizing gay marriage! Great first step! ... oh wait.

MA - 2004 - Thanks.

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By the way, it's sounds an awful lot like you're grouping all Americans together and calling us narrow minded conservatives who can never admit to being wrong. Sounds an awful

lot like hate speech to me... Hmmm weird.




I call it like I see it and this thread certainly does nothing to convince me otherwise.

And again, hate speech is about things people cannot control. You can control your dogmatic thinking. All it takes is the will.




Your message is so facepalm I'm just floored. I can't believe you can't see how hypocritical you're being. Ragging non stop on Americans as a whole. You being a racist while at the same time condemning discrimination. Take a look in the mirror dude.

And what if someone "can't control" being a racist (like yourself). By your own words that would imply that he is free from blame right?


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Dude you're having trouble distinguishing speech from action. Learn the difference.



No, I have a clear understanding of the two, and clearly differntiated between the two in the post you have responded too--why not respond to the actual points I made, or at least submit an argument towards how I have confused speech with action, rather than just leave a blanket statement that challenged my post without actually challenging anything.

Are you not understanding how research into how past genocides have developed and occurred has directly led to the understanding that hate speech is an integral part of the process?

Why not challenge this connection I am proposing instead? Because right now, your argument is weak.




"hate speech is an integral part of the process"

That's impossible to ever prove, there are so many factors that go into genocide.

Most "hate speech" (99.999%) never involves a act of violence, so where is this correlation?  It's not there.


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    #19308145 - 12/21/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Your message is so facepalm I'm just floored. I can't believe you can't see how hypocritical you're being. Ragging non stop on Americans as a whole. You being a racist while at the same time condemning discrimination. Take a look in the mirror dude.

And what if someone "can't control" being a racist (like yourself). By your own words that would imply that he is free from blame right?




RE: MA in 2004. So you're 1/50th of the way there. Congrats! And electing a black man president. Does his skin color really matter? Who's the racist here?

Nothing but insults left. A telltale sign of a person who lost a debate. It happens all the time, don't worry. Rationality wins debates, dogma loses. Learn the lesson and move on.

Better luck next time.

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    #19308151 - 12/21/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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"hate speech is an integral part of the process"

That's impossible to ever prove, there are so many factors that go into genocide.

Most "hate speech" (99.999%) never involves a act of violence, so where is this correlation?  It's not there.



Yes, anything outside of the hard sciences is impossible to 'prove'--but this does not mean that studies haven't been undertaken, nor that evidence strongly suggestive of the role hate speech has in genocide hasn't been found.

In fact, I'm willing to go out on a limb here to say that there is more evidence backing up hate speech as having no redeeming value in society, than there is for your '99.999%' figure that you probably just made up on the spot.


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Your message is so facepalm I'm just floored. I can't believe you can't see how hypocritical you're being. Ragging non stop on Americans as a whole. You being a racist while at the same time condemning discrimination. Take a look in the mirror dude.

And what if someone "can't control" being a racist (like yourself). By your own words that would imply that he is free from blame right?




RE: MA in 2004. So you're 1/50th of the way there. Congrats! And electing a black man president. Does his skin color really matter? Who's the racist here?

Nothing but insults left. A telltale sign of a person who lost a debate. It happens all the time, don't worry. Rationality wins debates, dogma loses. Learn the lesson and move on.

Better luck next time.

Adieu.




What the fuck are you talking about! You said when you put it to a vote, Americans don't choose the minority, and that is false. We chose a minority two times in a row, for the most important job in our country. That is why I brought it up.

Where and how did I insult you? You've been the only one throwing insults here so by your own argument you've once again shown yourself to be the loser in this debate. I would love a quote of some of these "dogmatic" posts you're referring to. You are by definition a racist for lumping all Americans in the same group. Which you've said about a dozen times. What does living in America have to do with how I think of something. You sir, are a racist.


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    #19308186 - 12/21/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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"hate speech is an integral part of the process"

That's impossible to ever prove, there are so many factors that go into genocide.

Most "hate speech" (99.999%) never involves a act of violence, so where is this correlation?  It's not there.



Yes, anything outside of the hard sciences is impossible to 'prove'--but this does not mean that studies haven't been undertaken, nor that evidence strongly suggestive of the role hate speech has in genocide hasn't been found.

In fact, I'm willing to go out on a limb here to say that there is more evidence backing up hate speech as having no redeeming value in society, than there is for your '99.999%' figure that you probably just made up on the spot.





"no redeeming value in society"

Who makes this judgment?  Does pornography involving people over the age of 18 have a "redeeming value in society"?  Many say no, so maybe let's make a law prohibiting porn!

Why take the change of having porn available for the public to view?  Many rapists and child molesters have viewed porn, maybe there is a correlation between viewing porn and sexual crimes, so ban porn today!

Maybe talking negatively about current political parties has "no redeeming value in society"?  Saying negative things about Obama Care gets us nothing, why incite hatred on the new health care policy, this is no value in this type of political protest.

This freedom of speech is so overrated, lets protect people and ban all speech which is controversial, that's a great way to live, NOT!


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    #19308237 - 12/21/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nice red herrings.

Obscenity laws are a whole different ballgame, and I'm generally opposed to them.

And, as has been already stated ad nauseam, airing negative opinions is not the same as inciteful hate speech--plus, in the realm of political debate, these opinions could very well have a redeeming value towards society (and let it be known, that exceptions are made for hate speech that occurs within the realm of a public debate as well, because of the recognition that public debate has redeeming value).

Anyways, back to the topic of hate speech and it's role in genocide? Or was the 99.999% "fact" your ace in hole?



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Who makes this judgment?



The guy who developed the eight stages of genocide, soon to be updated to the ten stages of genocide (because research is ongoing), is Gregory Stanton; here are his credentials: Stanton is Research Professor in Genocide Studies and Prevention at the School for Conflict Analysis and Resolution, George Mason University, Arlington, Virginia. From 2003 to 2009 he was the James Farmer Professor in Human Rights at the University of Mary Washington in Fredericksburg, Virginia. He has been a Law Professor at Washington and Lee University, American University, and the University of Swaziland. He has degrees from Oberlin College, Harvard Divinity School, Yale Law School, and a Doctorate in Cultural Anthropology from the University of Chicago. He was a fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars (2001–2002).

But it's not just one person coming to these conclusions--genocide studies is a field of academia.


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    #19308391 - 12/21/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

OK, look. Let me make my final post on this topic coz I'm getting tired. I'm sorry for any perceived insults and this stuff can get a little heated so let me take a step back and state this as simply as I can:

I just can't comprehend how so many people can suggest that a society that allows, for example, cretins like the WBC to mess with people's funerals, incite hatred and generally infuriate everyone is better than a society that doesn't allow it.

If the hypothetical situation of political dissent, obscenity, etc. being outlawed actually happens in the future, I'll be 100% on your side against it. But until then, my position is clear and I'm sticking to it. We'd all be better off without hate speech. Wouldn't it be great to not have to put up with this kind of crap anymore? Of course it would.I believe that some sort of legislative action should be taken, as has happened in many other countries, rather than simply waiting for things to naturally get better on their own.  I don't claim to know how to bring it about, or if it's even possible, but we can at least start with reasoned discussion. How many more people need to be beaten or murdered before that happens?

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    #19308480 - 12/21/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I read the first three pages of the thread and it seemed to be going nowhere
1.  This has nothing to do with free speech.  A&E can do whatever the fuck they want.  That is their exercise of free speech.
2.  They always knew these guys were devout bible thumping Christians.  Guess what.  The bible says homosexuality is an abomination.  I don't agree but that is the tenet.  You cannot be Catholic and support abortion.  That's it.  No ifs, ands or buts about it.
3.  I think A&E's intention in starting this show was to ridicule these people and they were completely blindsided that such a huge audience admired them.
4.  The Robertsons are the show.  They can go to any network they want and A&E will lose the most successful show they ever had.  The Robertsons are not going to be the ones losing money here.


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    #19308515 - 12/21/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hate speech?

Hahaha canada Is so ridiculous. :rofl:


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    #19308526 - 12/21/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't say anything about hate speech


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    #19308529 - 12/21/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

When did this turn into a Canada vs US thread :rofl:

From what I've read the Canadians are just trying to prove that Canada is better from limiting what you can say and trying to prove they are better. But who the fuck cares. It's Canada.


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    #19308532 - 12/21/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This show is huge in Canada. Ive never seen it. Too lazy to read the thread. Rednecks dont interest me.


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    #19308628 - 12/21/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Guys, this is all really fascinating debate. I thank all of you for participating. But honestly my goal of starting this thread was more aimed at deciphering the consequences this situation will have on....



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I wanna retrofit my car to be a chia. Chia Pontiac Sunfire :lmafo:


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    #19308686 - 12/21/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously though, I just wanted to throw in my two cents for whatever it's worth (nothing).

in no particular order

1. It's A&E's show. They're the ones giving out the paychecks. So if they wanna fire them/him, fine. If they don't, also fine. Because it's their show. I have zero problem with the man stating his opinion. But, you have to know that you can't openly state your opinion on certain topics these days or else there will likely be consequences. If I walk into my office and say certain things out loud I can be subject to discipline and/or termination. Just how it works.

2. As somebody said earlier though, this show is hugely popular for whatever reason and all they need to do (if let go by A&E) is head on over to <insert network here> and they'll be bigger than ever.

3. The fact that this is such a big deal is an indictment on this country. And I love this country. I'm not one of these shroomery posters who attacks America every chance I get. It's a great country. But stuff like this only gives them more ammo. So a guy from a cheesy A&E reality TV series said some anti-gay comments in a magazine. Who gives a fuck. Front page of the national news? Are you kidding me? Smh

4. To the poster who kept repeatedly labeling this as hate speech. I disagree. He stated an opinion and if you read it, it really lacked any sort of hate. He just said that he didn't get it in his opinion. And that he personally saw women's vaginas as more attractive than a man's anus. So do I. Doesn't mean I hate gay dudes. Now he did say some things that are very dated and uninformed, but I didn't see any "hate" in anything in what he said. If you want real hate speech then compare what he said to something the white supremacists or the black panthers would say. Or Muslim religious fanatics. They wish death upon people. That's hate speech. What this guy said is nothing. An opinion that he disagreed with. That's it.


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I wanna retrofit my car to be a chia. Chia Pontiac Sunfire :lmafo:




lmao that would be the shizzle rolling around in a chia ride

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    #19308760 - 12/21/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My parents watch this show. 

It's basically targeted towards christian country folk imo which makes up a lot of america


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    #19308766 - 12/21/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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4. To the poster who kept repeatedly labeling this as hate speech. I disagree. He stated an opinion and if you read it, it really lacked any sort of hate. He just said that he didn't get it in his opinion. And that he personally saw women's vaginas as more attractive than a man's anus. So do I. Doesn't mean I hate gay dudes. Now he did say some things that are very dated and uninformed, but I didn't see any "hate" in anything in what he said. If you want real hate speech then compare what he said to something the white supremacists or the black panthers would say. Or Muslim religious fanatics. They wish death upon people. That's hate speech. What this guy said is nothing. An opinion that he disagreed with. That's it.



I dunno man, I think that's enough to call it hate speech.

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Asked what, in his mind, is sinful, Robertson replied: "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."



I mean right here, perpetuating an obviously false link between being gay and screwing animals. It seems like a cheap move to try to turn LGTB people into "the enemy".

And as if that's not enough, well...

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He also made comments regarding race and growing up in Louisiana before the civil rights era.

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field. ... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people' -- not a word!

"Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues," GQ quotes Robertson as saying.



I mean, he's implying that there wasn't much racism before the civil rights era, when in fact there was loads of it. This is the kind of dude that sees nothing wrong with a "whites only" water fountain.

I mean at the end of the day I guess it's just the dudes opinion, whether it be right or wrong.
I'm not gonna try and say it's hate speech, but it's wrong on all accounts, and if he preaches the same hate on the TV show then THAT would be hate speech.


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    #19308769 - 12/21/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, a whole shit load of America.  Why do you think there was so much resistance to homo marriage?


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    #19308777 - 12/21/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You are dishonestly paraphrasing/editing what he said.


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    #19308804 - 12/21/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, a whole shit load of America.  Why do you think there was so much resistance to homo marriage?




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You are dishonestly paraphrasing/editing what he said.



I just copied paragraphs from this page. I don't see any dishonesty involved.


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Yeah, a whole shit load of America.  Why do you think there was so much resistance to homo marriage?




Country christian folk who are resistant to change



I don't care.  Their stupidity is not my problem.  The people who voted for Obama are.


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Yeah, a whole shit load of America.  Why do you think there was so much resistance to homo marriage?




Country christian folk who are resistant to change



I don't care.  Their stupidity is not my problem.  The people who voted for Obama are.




So you ask questions you don't care about knowing the answer to.  Or you ask lots of rhetorical questions?


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    #19308843 - 12/21/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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We are very economically and fiscally conservative. It's the reason we survived the recession.




false. canada didnt 'survive' some recession any better than the US did, canada tossed money at businesses in order to keep them going, your housing market wasnt tied as closely to the financial markets and your construction was already slower than that of the US

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Yeah, a whole shit load of America.  Why do you think there was so much resistance to homo marriage?




Country christian folk who are resistant to change



I don't care.  Their stupidity is not my problem.  The people who voted for Obama are.




So you ask questions you don't care about knowing the answer to.  Or you ask lots of rhetorical questions?



Why do you think it is country and Christian?  Please tell us about the Muslim and Orthodox Jewish position and the urban Negro position.  Thanks in advance.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19308892 - 12/21/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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what you have is a media under control of government that's telling you that
canada has fared far better than could be expected and not reporting on
what's really going on




This.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19309167 - 12/21/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Country christian folks, generally, IMO, are the largest demographic to be against gay marriage


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    #19309207 - 12/21/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's racist :wink:


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    #19309225 - 12/21/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Country christian folks, generally, IMO, are the largest demographic to be against gay marriage




Hate speech. What's next, starting rallies to round up "country christian folks"?


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    #19309442 - 12/21/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Niffla said:
4. To the poster who kept repeatedly labeling this as hate speech. I disagree. He stated an opinion and if you read it, it really lacked any sort of hate. He just said that he didn't get it in his opinion. And that he personally saw women's vaginas as more attractive than a man's anus. So do I. Doesn't mean I hate gay dudes. Now he did say some things that are very dated and uninformed, but I didn't see any "hate" in anything in what he said. If you want real hate speech then compare what he said to something the white supremacists or the black panthers would say. Or Muslim religious fanatics. They wish death upon people. That's hate speech. What this guy said is nothing. An opinion that he disagreed with. That's it.



I dunno man, I think that's enough to call it hate speech.

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Asked what, in his mind, is sinful, Robertson replied: "Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men."



I mean right here, perpetuating an obviously false link between being gay and screwing animals. It seems like a cheap move to try to turn LGTB people into "the enemy".

And as if that's not enough, well...

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He also made comments regarding race and growing up in Louisiana before the civil rights era.

"I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field. ... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people' -- not a word!

"Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues," GQ quotes Robertson as saying.



I mean, he's implying that there wasn't much racism before the civil rights era, when in fact there was loads of it. This is the kind of dude that sees nothing wrong with a "whites only" water fountain.

I mean at the end of the day I guess it's just the dudes opinion, whether it be right or wrong.
I'm not gonna try and say it's hate speech, but it's wrong on all accounts, and if he preaches the same hate on the TV show then THAT would be hate speech.




Go back to Canada queer.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19314102 - 12/22/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said: of which the whole thing could have been a huge marketing ploy to boost sales before christmas




Funny, I starting seriously contemplating this exact notion earlier at walmart. There was Duck Dynasty shwag everywhere! Also, three types of DD camo label wine at the liquor store and walmart. I'm thinkin...did they just release all this merchandise after the interview? No way, for all I know it's probably been there for a while and I just didn't pay any attention to it, and then it hit me. "They" got me to pay attention and notice duck dynasty shit I never new existed!
Well played sir.

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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: TheMaster]
    #19314161 - 12/22/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Or meybe the yuppies don't like the show getting big and having all this redneck merchandise everywhere so someone tried to sabotage the show?


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Pureless]
    #19314233 - 12/22/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I honestly thought this show was about hockey



lmao, as did I at first. You must be thinking of Mighty Ducks, which was a cartoon from the 90's. At least thats what I was thinking of.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: LSDreams]
    #19314244 - 12/22/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

An old redneck whos homophobic?!?!  :woah:


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Magicman69]
    #19314255 - 12/22/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This thread is still going on? Haha. Who gives a fuck if some redneck doesn't like gays... wtfmate


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Uzziel]
    #19333846 - 12/27/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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This thread is still going on? Haha. Who gives a fuck if some redneck doesn't like gays... wtfmate



He didn't say he didn't like homos.  He said homosexuality is a sin.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/a-e-welcomes-phil-robertson-667647

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Phil Robertson, the patriarch of A&E's Duck Dynasty clan who was suspended from his hit reality series on Dec. 18 following some incendiary comments about gay people, won't be put on hiatus after all.




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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19334044 - 12/27/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Uzziel said:
This thread is still going on? Haha. Who gives a fuck if some redneck doesn't like gays... wtfmate



He didn't say he didn't like homos.  He said homosexuality is a sin.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/a-e-welcomes-phil-robertson-667647

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Phil Robertson, the patriarch of A&E's Duck Dynasty clan who was suspended from his hit reality series on Dec. 18 following some incendiary comments about gay people, won't be put on hiatus after all.








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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: tito123]
    #19416243 - 01/14/14 07:44 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

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most are racists too, where i live anyway.  rednecks are very anti-black. had one come up to me and say I was okay because i wasn't a n-word ( im latino by the way)


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #19416565 - 01/14/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 17 days ago)

You really can't blame em.

The stereotypical blacks lifestyle offends the stereotypical white mans lifestyle. That's why most blacks live in the cities and if you see a black man who isn't a stereotypical black guy then the white guys are usually accepting of him if he's more like them. It's not really color, it's lifestyle and choices. Of course, you see it everywhere...hippies, anything that isn't conforming to someone else's standards will always be viewed as abrasive even when they're really not. Of course stereotypical blacks are abrasive though and I can't STAND that trashy ghetto crap especially from white people trying to emulate that shitty black culture ESPECIALLY females. It's fucking gross.

They need to just be their self and STOP. I HATE seeing some sloppy trashy white girl surrounded by blacks trying to talk like them. It's like a zebra trying to fit in with a pack of camels.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #19417755 - 01/14/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #19417767 - 01/14/14 03:04 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:
most are racists too, where i live anyway.  rednecks are very anti-black. had one come up to me and say I was okay because i wasn't a n-word ( im latino by the way)











I didn't write that


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla]
    #19417779 - 01/14/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Link to the post


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla]
    #19417792 - 01/14/14 03:08 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

Do eet.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Bassfreak]
    #19417862 - 01/14/14 03:23 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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no one is afraid of gay people, we simply just dont like them

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homophobia is a name made up by fags to make themselves feel better about sucking so bad



What a sickening post.  Seriously, what is wrong with you to hold such a bigoted belief?


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19417954 - 01/14/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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Bassfreak said:
no one is afraid of gay people, we simply just dont like them

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homophobia is a name made up by fags to make themselves feel better about sucking so bad



What a sickening post.  Seriously, what is wrong with you to hold such a bigoted belief?



Thanks, I was going to quote that! WTF Bassfreak? Who is "we"?


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla]
    #19418353 - 01/14/14 05:11 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

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High on toilet said:
Found it.


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zappaisgod said:
most are racists too, where i live anyway.  rednecks are very anti-black. had one come up to me and say I was okay because i wasn't a n-word ( im latino by the way)










No you didn't.  Link to my post

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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Niffla]
    #19418958 - 01/14/14 06:50 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

That is because it never existed.  Go away.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19419528 - 01/14/14 08:35 PM (10 years, 16 days ago)

I wrote that, really didn't mean to make it appear that zappa wrote it. the only thing i can think of is i pressed the quote button.


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