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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19307010 - 12/21/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Good on A&E for standing up for civilized values. Fuck those people who are making excuses for hate speech. I hope this starts a trend. In a civilized country, there needs to be consequences for hate.




In my mind freedom of speech is a civilized value that trumps yours.

I may not agree with what he says but ill defend his right to say it





*we found a freedom lover, call out the swat teams*


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19307015 - 12/21/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:on the opposite end of the argument, a person can also choose not to watch
the show, not to buy the products or to not enter various establishments
and to even stage their boycott or protest, that again is their choice but
the one thing I've noticed is when they do these things, it often backfires
and the place they oppose ends up making more money and getting all the
free publicity so sometimes it's better to simply stop bringing attention
to the issue so it'll die out and those that disagree can simply not cater
to the haters without sending them more business




exactly, im sure a hell of a lot more people will check this show out like many wondering wtf its about all of the sudden in this thread





of which the whole thing could have been a huge marketing ploy to boost sales before christmas




I always wonder about that, like recently shila beuf (whatever the fuck)blatantly plagiarized some guys work obviously knowing that it would surface...now he can't be that dumb, to me it looks like a marketing ploy for his own name (brand)and the short films he's been creating


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins] * 1
    #19307023 - 12/21/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Good on A&E for standing up for civilized values. Fuck those people who are making excuses for hate speech. I hope this starts a trend. In a civilized country, there needs to be consequences for hate.




In my mind freedom of speech is a civilized value that trumps yours.

I may not agree with what he says but ill defend his right to say it




Freedom from persecution trumps freedom to persecute.

You defend the persecutor because your civic religion tells you to.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Quawonk]
    #19307030 - 12/21/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quawonk said:
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Shins said:
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Quawonk said:
Good on A&E for standing up for civilized values. Fuck those people who are making excuses for hate speech. I hope this starts a trend. In a civilized country, there needs to be consequences for hate.




In my mind freedom of speech is a civilized value that trumps yours.

I may not agree with what he says but ill defend his right to say it




Freedom from persecution trumps the right to persecute.

You defend the persecutor because your civic religion tells you to.





so you're saying it was wrong of A&E to get rid of the old guy since that's
persecuting someone based on their beliefs just as it's wrong of you to
persecute those that YOU deem to be 'haters'

it's good that you see the errors of your ways


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Quawonk]
    #19307033 - 12/21/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And what did he say exactly that you consider hateful?

In his opinion, the condoning homosexuality, "leads to bestiality and sleeping with that woman, and that woman and that man."

Sounds like he's insulting those who are promiscuous or cheat on their spouse as much as he's insulting homosexuality.


He didn't say "I hate gay people" He said he didn't think it was right. And coming from a born again christian it shouldn't be all that surprising to anybody.

So people are speculating about his speculations and getting butthurt about it.

Well Said- "The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except those they disagree with," Jindal said in a statement.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Quawonk]
    #19307045 - 12/21/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

1. I'm not religious.

2. Speech is not a tenable form of persecution.

3.  I don't even agree with him, either about homosexuality or what the bible says about it.

the point is that you cannot ban controverial speech.  That's stalinist authoritarian leftist bullshit.  You defeat his position in open intellectual debate and convince people you're right.

why are you leftists so damned obsessed with putting guns in the room to force people to agree with your opinions?  I find that much more offensive than phils comments.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19307062 - 12/21/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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1. I'm not religious.

2. Speech is not a tenable form of persecution.

3.  I don't even agree with him, either about homosexuality or what the bible says about it.

the point is that you cannot ban controverial speech.  That's stalinist authoritarian leftist bullshit.  You defeat his position in open intellectual debate and convince people you're right.

why are you leftists so damned obsessed with putting guns in the room to force people to agree with your opinions?  I find that much more offensive than phils comments.




obviously the company HE was under contract with thought differently, and that's all that really matters


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Pureless]
    #19307072 - 12/21/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Obviously its not all that matters.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins] * 1
    #19307076 - 12/21/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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the point is that you cannot ban controverial speech. 





many nations have and they prosecute you for hate speech, canada is one of
those nations so there is no free speech for canadians. Quawonk is a canadian
so we can understand his disdain for free speech and freedom in general


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19307079 - 12/21/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Pureless]
    #19307096 - 12/21/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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obviously the company HE was under contract with thought differently, and that's all that really matters





it's not a free speech issue with this duck guy shit, Quawonk stated that we
shouldnt have free speech, we all know that A&E is a private entity and they
set their rules and have no obligation to abide by the bill of rights but to
claim for an outright ban on hate speech, how many people would be in prison
for talking shit about muslims or obama... now consider how many here would
be in prison for talking shit about bush or christians

so maybe I'm down with banning hate speech after all

and contracts... lol, they still have to pay him


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19307099 - 12/21/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.




canada is so left that the left seems right


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19307117 - 12/21/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.



Everyone thought Canada would legalize pot first, now the States are getting in on it and Canada is cracking down on possession. WTF?

I hate you, Steven Harper. I really really really do.

Atleast we have prostitutes now :cool:


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19307118 - 12/21/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

First let me start out I don't care if your gay or not. I have gay friends. Now let me say what did the guy say? Nothing hateful he said he didn't agree with it or understand it and he quoted some of the bible. He has a right to interpret the bible the way he wants and he has the freedom of speech to say what he wants when it doesn't put anyone else's libertys in question. It is a double standard that alot of hollywood and the gay community goes by. They have the right to say that in this case "He is a backwoods redneck ignorant homophobe" and not only that push it until he got suspended off the show. It is awful that they have the right to call him all those hateful negative things and ruin his lively hood but he don't have the right to say how he feels. It is really one sided.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19307124 - 12/21/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Obviously its not all that matters.




obviously what the rest of the US thinks comes into play when they made their decision to axe him, but I think you missed my point


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19307138 - 12/21/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.



Everyone thought Canada would legalize pot first, now the States are getting in on it and Canada is cracking down on possession. WTF?

I hate you, Steven Harper. I really really really do.

Atleast we have prostitutes now :cool:




canada has always been cracking down on weed, they have as many arrests per
capita for drug offenses as the US, the canadia propaganda machine likes to
convince people otherwise so they can trap and arrest pot heads

even the far right state of Georgia had medical marijuana laws on the books
in 1980 which proves that prohibition has been and always will be a move
from the left to restrict your freedoms because leftists hate freedom


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Shins]
    #19307146 - 12/21/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In my mind freedom of speech is a civilized value that trumps yours.

I may not agree with what he says but ill defend his right to say it




Exactly


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19307208 - 12/21/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm just gonna start watching that fucking show. I've heard about it way too many times, I've seen boardgames and a bunch of other shit about it.

Its starting to annoy me that I don't know WTF that show is about.



Have you ever watched Rob Dyrdek's Fantasy Factory?




What the flying fuck is that?????


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19307215 - 12/21/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Canada is also leftist as fuck.... go figure.




canada is so left that the left seems right




We are very economically and fiscally conservative. It's the reason we survived the recession.

Our social values are slightly left of center. Just the way I like it.

We kinda cherry picked the good stuff from the right and and combined it with the good stuff from the left. It worked beautifully.


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Re: Duck Dynasty [Re: Patlal]
    #19307224 - 12/21/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm just gonna start watching that fucking show. I've heard about it way too many times, I've seen boardgames and a bunch of other shit about it.

Its starting to annoy me that I don't know WTF that show is about.



Have you ever watched Rob Dyrdek's Fantasy Factory?




What the flying fuck is that?????



It was on MTV for the longest time. He's a shitty overaged skateboarder who buys dumb shit and does dumb shit. Same stuff as Duck Dynasty, except they are rednecks and they bitch more.


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