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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19338104 - 12/28/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Politicians changed, they didn't support the program anymore.  It was shut down and the data warehoused.  Seems the people who believed that it would lead to people not working didn't want the experiment completed and it wasn't.  Then they hid that data away.  They decided better not let the experiment finish and analyze the data, we should trash it all.  This is an analysis done much later on data not actually collected in the experiment.  The govt refuses to open the 2000 boxes of data it collected, this was done off of other data sets.

Mincome should be endorsed by those who want small government.

Instead of giving money as EI, or providing all these social programs, everything is replaced by mincome.  All the bullshit government bureaucracy can be greatly reduced.

Rather than supporting a non-producing citizen by giving them food, health care, and etc when they are struggling, give them the opportunity to become a productive citizen.

In the nanny state with no mincome these leachers are kept alive by others, but still have limited opportunity to get out of that situation.

In the mincome scenario they are given an opportunity.

A.  Don't work and take the 20K a year and live off the government

B.  Use the extra money while working and get skills/education to make over 20K/year themselves.

Well most people go the route of option B.  In this manner people who may be leechers for life are turned into productive citizens.

Giving them money will let them cultivate skills like investing or getting educations.  Just feeding them keeps them stupid and dependent.


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: imachavel]
    #19338110 - 12/28/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you think $15 an hour and $45,000 a year are extreme examples of wages? :doublefacepalm: shit if you think thats extreme you must be making pennies.


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: InfiniteToker]
    #19338161 - 12/28/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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SHROOMHUNTSMAN said:
eliminate money and everyone be paid in their choice of sex, booze, and all foreseeable forms of pleasure that doesn't harm another lifeform negatively
= nirvana,bliss,etc....




I wish, I hate currency. Although currency makes trade much simpler and quicker and more efficient, it's also too easily manipulated and corrupted. I don't know how TRADE would work with highly efficient industrial companies such as ones that manufacture vehicles for transportation. Perhaps government subsidies would apply, and give everyone the necessary approval to be given a car. But no that sounds like communism, then you could only drive communist cars, and never have better cars produced better and engineered so society moves forward.

But otherwise, I'd imagine trade still being the best currency around. No interest rates no government regulation just straight up 50 logs in agreement for enough meat to cook for two days. But then I wonder what if currency could exist and the government just doesn't control who prints it or regulates it or anything along such lines. It'd be difficult to regulate who could make currency and along what specifications the currency created would be made, but at least you wouldn't have laws and regulations on certain industries to stop people from making money certain ways. People would make money.



Sadly :facepalm: that'd never work. Unless currency was still produced by some sort of metal standard to trade such as silver or something more abundant I suppose


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: Shins]
    #19338172 - 12/28/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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And hell why even work or produce at all?  $100,000 / hour automatically.


I mean what can possibly go wrong?




Here is a good question, why does government have to get involved at all. Taxes could be some form of tangible asset taken for trade or production value instead of money. Do you feel the government should tell you what is and isn't productive? Do you feel if you chop 2000 pieces of wood in one day, that is isn't enough because uncle Sam says so or that it's too much because uncle Sam says so and there isn't enough demand for that much wood?

I think production is #1, and currency comes second only as a representation. Currency after all, is in intangible asset. But who could confuse the two anyway? After all, money is supposed to be represented by tangible measurements for the value of the money. If it wasn't, then could a government owe tens of trillions of dollars it borrows from itself and still be able to function and produce on a normal level? :shrug: Oh man that's like saying moneys value is created by the government all together :lol: it couldn't be :stoned:


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: psyconaught]
    #19338201 - 12/28/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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you think $15 an hour and $45,000 a year are extreme examples of wages? :doublefacepalm: shit if you think thats extreme you must be making pennies.




You were comparing them in a minimum wage scenario. I don't think a single state has a $15 minimum wage, and by the way $15 an hour is still only 30k a year unless you count over time. Not close enough to 45k a year for that to be a valid analysis especially not when using this is an example for an extreme situation that minimum wage must be paid


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: imachavel]
    #19338322 - 12/28/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i never stated $15 an hour = 45k a year. Try again?

In case you weren't aware there are protests across the country headed by fast food employees calling for a 15 an hour min. wage. And Washington City just raised the min. wage to $15


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: psyconaught]
    #19338804 - 12/28/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How is the economy doing in Washington city with the $15 an hour wages? Businesses going bankrupt left and right? Anyway I don't know about $15/hr but I'll tell you $7 is like stone age for the rest of the country and I can't imagine a business that can't pay $8 an hour being a very functional business anyway.

The best businesses survive on millions a year, and if they hired a ton of employees they knew what they were getting into when they created a company so large in the first place, a risky situation. Big profits = big risks. As to many peoples arguments that higher wages equals higher prices, well I disagree. I've seen pot and pan sets for almost $200 when it's just shitty stainless steel. People charge what others are willing to pay for, much more so then a few $ extra an hour per employee cost of production. I'm sure CEOs RAISE the prices with THE EXCUSE that the prices are higher because of wages, but anyone who watches the market sees prices change based on many other factors mostly due to supply and demand. For example most places I go to still sell snickers bars for $1 plus tax. That is a price that has remained fairly constant for 30 years, despite the fact that 30 years ago in 1983 the minimum wage was around $4 an hour.

The people who really really get hurt by these constant changes are very small businesses. But honestly I think if you can't survive you shouldn't be around. As I said a REALLY SMALL business would have like max 4 employees at one time. So we are talking the difference between $7 x 8 x 5 x 4 x 4 and $8 x 8 x 5 x 4 x 4

and we get

$7 = $4480 per month in wages
$8 = $5120 per month in wages

So you are telling me that a business that can afford paying $600 less a month with all other expenses utilities, lease, etc. in wages is SERIOUSLY PROFITING while the one paying $600 more is going bankrupt?

This sounds like a similar story people make up when they can't pay a mortgage "oh the car payments are killing us which is why we can't pay $500 a month mortgage but if it was $400 a month we'd be great"

yeah

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right

Next Zappa will pitch in about how much money guys like Donald Trump lose with thousands of employees every time the wage goes from $4 to $5. Well what's funny is most of those billionaires can STILL afford helicopters on top of their boat etc. no matter what but complain about these changes more then anyone "oh hundreds of employees at an extra $1 an hour equals millions more per year :crying: oh no what will I ever do?"

It's sad Donald Trump has like less then 200 employees ever, most of these ass holes would just use machines if they could fire every employee I guarantee you that, but there are tons of supporters crying over how hard their life is. Remember the 70s when inflation went heavy and the wage went from like $1 an hour to $3 an hour in just 6 or 7 years? Raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt anybody, what really hurts is when they stagnate raising the minimum wage so much that all of a sudden they do studies and find common house holds living in poverty and decide to raise it all at once to make up for years of neglect.

I'm telling you, every two years they raise the minimum wage by .30 an hour no matter what, and you wouldn't ever have this problem. Things would balance out


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: imachavel]
    #19338946 - 12/28/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt anybody,



This statement is so full of shit it almost hurts. Raising the minimum wage hurts small business the most. Lets look at some numbers:
Currently the federal minimum wage is 7.25, the democrats are now supporting an increase to 10.10 an hour.

7.25 x 40 x 4 x 12 = 13,920 a year
10.10 x 40 x 4 x 12 = 19,392 a year

And lets use your example of 4 employees. With the above numbers currently an employer would be spending $55,680 a year on payroll. With the increase it will be $77,568 a year. That is a $21,888 increase in payroll per year. Small business's typically operate at small profit matins so nearly 22 thousand dollars will not just be absorbed. Either employees will be laid off or the price of goods will increase. And these numbers are strictly wages, they don't count other costs that go along with employing people, insurance, etc.

The Wal Mart higher ups actually support a min wage increase because they know they will be able to absorb the cost while smaller mom and pop shops will not, thus putting them out of business. Proponents of high min. wage are supporters of big business and enemies of local economies and small operations. Ironic huh?


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: psyconaught]
    #19338986 - 12/28/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Wal Mart higher ups actually support a min wage increase because they know they will be able to absorb the cost while smaller mom and pop shops will not, thus putting them out of business. Proponents of high min. wage are supporters of big business and enemies of local economies and small operations. Ironic huh?



QFT.
Minimum wage is just a barrier to market entry. & it's a price floor. Price floors create surpluses. In this case a displaced, labor surplus.


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: psyconaught]
    #19340779 - 12/29/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Raising the minimum wage doesn't hurt anybody,



This statement is so full of shit it almost hurts. Raising the minimum wage hurts small business the most. Lets look at some numbers:
Currently the federal minimum wage is 7.25, the democrats are now supporting an increase to 10.10 an hour.

7.25 x 40 x 4 x 12 = 13,920 a year
10.10 x 40 x 4 x 12 = 19,392 a year

And lets use your example of 4 employees. With the above numbers currently an employer would be spending $55,680 a year on payroll. With the increase it will be $77,568 a year. That is a $21,888 increase in payroll per year. Small business's typically operate at small profit matins so nearly 22 thousand dollars will not just be absorbed. Either employees will be laid off or the price of goods will increase. And these numbers are strictly wages, they don't count other costs that go along with employing people, insurance, etc.

The Wal Mart higher ups actually support a min wage increase because they know they will be able to absorb the cost while smaller mom and pop shops will not, thus putting them out of business. Proponents of high min. wage are supporters of big business and enemies of local economies and small operations. Ironic huh?




It's a risk to start any business, you know that. People who start a business and hire employees need to be prepared for unforeseen cost rises to their over head. I don't believe the idea of being a "business owner" should include this feeling as though they don't have to expect sudden changes dramatically in lease/taxes/wages/whole sale costs etc.

But to be fair I believe that costs for services are as high as they can get right now, and minimum wage is supposed to meet interest rates not set interest rates. My dad had a friend who painted the inside of his house recently and charged $1400 and it took two days but in reality it should have taken one she just took her damn time. If this lady had 3 customers a week charging that much she'd be making $4200 a week, easily enough to pay the extra $21,000 at the end of the year. And if she wasn't competent enough to make that much then she lacks in sales skills, something a business owner should not be shy in. Plus she could easily remove one employee and pay $21,000 less per year.

Besides that I still feel your numbers are arbitrary. Where do you come up with a jump from $7.25 an hour to $10.10 an hour? Why because one county in one city made a dramatic wage increase? Ok but when ever has the federal government raised the minimum wage $3 extra an hour in one year? They changed the MW from $5 to $7 when Obama took office because it had been in the $5 range for over 20 years just about. Before that previously GB had raised it from approx $5.10 to $5.60 roughly along those lines. Where do you see the proposal to set the national rate at $10.10 an hour?


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: imachavel]
    #19341285 - 12/29/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

how are the numbers arbitrary at all? Currently the federal min. wage is 7.25 an hour. And Obama the the Democrats are supporting a 10.10 min. wage.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/24/democrats-obama-minimum-wage_n_4498517.html

I'm going to assume you don't have any business experience, because it shows pretty clearly. Small business's operate at extremely small margins, therefore 22k would be a HUGE increase in the cost of doing business. A business owner obviously takes a risk when starting a business, but how can they prepare for arbitrary wage hikes and new taxes from the government? I agree if you are an incompetent business owner you should go out of business. However the government imposing huge increases in the cost of doing business and putting said owner out of business says more of the government getting in the way than the competency of the business owner.


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: psyconaught]
    #19342513 - 12/29/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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how are the numbers arbitrary at all? Currently the federal min. wage is 7.25 an hour. And Obama the the Democrats are supporting a 10.10 min. wage.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/24/democrats-obama-minimum-wage_n_4498517.html

I'm going to assume you don't have any business experience, because it shows pretty clearly. Small business's operate at extremely small margins, therefore 22k would be a HUGE increase in the cost of doing business. A business owner obviously takes a risk when starting a business, but how can they prepare for arbitrary wage hikes and new taxes from the government? I agree if you are an incompetent business owner you should go out of business. However the government imposing huge increases in the cost of doing business and putting said owner out of business says more of the government getting in the way than the competency of the business owner.




:rolleyes: what are you, a Doctor? Lawyer? Engineer? Have you ever started a company? I mean a real one with location and lease and claim taxes etc. I don't mean doing web sites or a "private consultant." Not everyone can start a business. Paying people 25% more from $7.25 to $10.10 is a risk all people have to be prepared for. It's actually kind of lame to question this I don't know if you talk to your grandparents a lot ever or maybe you are only 15 but back in the day, in a different generation of generations, people didn't necessarily have to go to school to get a good job. They stayed at a company long enough and depended on raises. 25% really is no big deal if you understand people expect to retire one day 25% is really horse shit diddly.

For someone with a lot of business experience such as yourself, you sure are short on the idea of what a lender expects when they make a loan to a business owner, small or not. "umm, sir the only way I'd default on this loan is if the government forced a minimum 25% wage increase for every single employee, then I'd have to claim bankruptcy and default on the loan, and oh boy, could you try to give me a loan with no collateral and keep the interest rates the same no matter what? It's not my fault that me as a business owner, would be expected to forsee risks and have competency as to the responsibility of what I am actually running every day. A great place with great product/and or service and fantastic customer service. But the truth is really I just mostly do paper work and don't train anyone at my business, I only drive by it once every 7 weeks, in fact I don't even train the managers, I only talk to people on the phone. So please treat me like I'm retarded before I get this loan and take into account the government is going to raise the minimum wage a few bucks and all that profit I'm bragging about wouldn't exist because all the lazy employees would be stealing all the profit not doing much you know except extremely repetitive and gruelling manual labour."

Sorry man, it doesn't work like that. This country was created by the idea of capitalism. Buying and selling. If a person owns a business and creates their own product good for them. If a person owns a business and does a service, the service should be top notch as to capitalize on getting maximum volume of clients. Otherwise if they buy whole sale and sell retail they take all the same risk any ass hole does and know long before they get into it what they are doing. If the country goes to shit because of a national minimum wage that is actually lower then the highest city minimum wage (which you said was $15 an hour) then so be it.

I don't care, I don't cry for those who only make 2% of their entire company profits which are only $10 billion a year, and therefore only take home $200,000,000 a year. Boo hoo hoo. A sad sob story. Oh but that's right, you are arguing that largest businesses will be hurt the least. But to answer your question I don't consider a wage raise by a few $ as EXTREME UNFORESEEN over head costs. The over head costs I see as being extremely unpredictable and extreme are things such as taxes, whole sale costs going up because of stock market speculation or in general government regulation, property costs, inspections, law suits, business competition etc.

Now you are going to tell me with a straight face that after all those unforeseen risks that one of the biggest pit falls a new business owner must risk fighting is a MINIMUM WAGE RAISE of a few $ an hour? Oh well, life is tough. Perhaps people can invent time machines and go back in time to the 1800s when millionaires had 93% less regulations to worry about and simply only had to worry about disease, no technology, primitive social laws, etc. But as many complaints as I hear about :crying: I'm almost starting to think this would be almost everyone's main preference. Do continue


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #19342571 - 12/29/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what the fuck are you babbling about? I don't believe i've claimed any of those things. Will the country go to shit strictly because the min wage increase? No, but min wage going up creates barriers to entry, making it harder to start and operate a business. Shouldn't the government make it easier not harder to start a business? Less small business = shit economy. I couldnt care less about big corporations and their CEO's. I'm just able to recognize that more regulations actually hurt small business owners. A %25 payroll increase is an extreme burden to a small business operating on thin margins. Yes i have started many business's. None of them have been incorporated however, and some of them have been web based. But i guess that doesn't count as 'real' to you for some reason. Theres a reason i'm making 60+k a year having just graduated high school.


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: imachavel]
    #19345507 - 12/30/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It's a risk to start any business, you know that. People who start a business and hire employees need to be prepared for unforeseen cost rises to their over head. I don't believe the idea of being a "business owner" should include this feeling as though they don't have to expect sudden changes dramatically in lease/taxes/wages/whole sale costs etc.






You just stated one of the main reasons businesses aren't hiring much under the obama administration.  The 'uncertainty', i.e. not knowing what its going to cost to run the business tomorrow because of government meddling, causes them to avoid expanding and wait for better days.  why grow a business when a shitty government policy might suddenly come along and take your money? :smirk: 

Thanks for pointing out another of the inumerable ways the federal government hurts small business.


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19345508 - 12/30/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Should have a maximum salary of 1$.... there would be no more of this money bs..


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: Icyus] * 1
    #19345531 - 12/30/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Should have a maximum salary of 1$.... there would be no more of this money bs..



:crazy2: yea and then highly skilled specialists can make as much as a braindead halfwit who flips burgers sounds like real progress to me :rofl:


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: Gilgamesh18] * 1
    #19345548 - 12/30/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icyus said:
Should have a maximum salary of 1$.... there would be no more of this money bs..



:crazy2: yea and then highly skilled specialists can make as much as a braindead halfwit who flips burgers sounds like real progress to me :rofl:





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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19345777 - 12/30/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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imachavel said:


It's a risk to start any business, you know that. People who start a business and hire employees need to be prepared for unforeseen cost rises to their over head. I don't believe the idea of being a "business owner" should include this feeling as though they don't have to expect sudden changes dramatically in lease/taxes/wages/whole sale costs etc.






You just stated one of the main reasons businesses aren't hiring much under the obama administration.  The 'uncertainty', i.e. not knowing what its going to cost to run the business tomorrow because of government meddling, causes them to avoid expanding and wait for better days.  why grow a business when a shitty government policy might suddenly come along and take your money? :smirk: 

Thanks for pointing out another of the inumerable ways the federal government hurts small business.




Right and my point is minimum wage is the least of it. Uneducated idiots are the highest of it imho. If people thought about what they buy and who they buy it from things would be different. I'm not talking about whether they shop at Walmart or not, I'm talking about whether they buy a house at an extra 100k just because it's closer to work.

Capitalism takes advantage of caveat emptor. If people were smarter and more demanding about the world they live in, it'd be very possible for minimum wage not to need to exist. People would "demand" that they pay cheaper for things by not buying expensive things and "demand" that they get paid more at jobs by not accepting shitty jobs. But the truth is because this is not a reality minimum wage is necessary, people would take $1 an hour if someone paid them that. The minimum wage unfortunately keeps our country as a 1st world country and keeps it from looking anything like Ecuador, a 3rd world country. It's a sad world, but I have no issue with minimum wage increases perhaps if it was increased to $17 an hour over night that'd bother me but a proposal to $10.10 an hour could easily be "bipartisan compromised" :lol: so to speak.

I see nothing wrong with $7.25 an hour going up to $7.95 an hour. I guess Obama just doesn't negotiate well and now all the rest of us have to hear massive complaints about how "minimum wage is wrong." Wake up man, go to a country like the Philippines I've been to several times where the government couldn't care less what someone gets paid. There are two classes, rich and very very poor. Of course you are right, no minimum wage doesn't stop the rich from getting richer. That I won't deny, but it does rip out the middle class that everyone claims exists so nicely on it's own. As though people do anything on their own without someone holding their hand these days. It is what it is


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: Icyus]
    #19345789 - 12/30/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Should have a maximum salary of 1$.... there would be no more of this money bs..




maximum salary of no more then $100,000,000 a year. I'd LOVE it. The world could suck it if they didn't agree, no one needs more then that much to live on personally anyway. And besides what the hell is everyone complaining about half these ass holes take billions out and put them into Swiss bank accounts anyway to avoid taxes. No one saw Wolf of Wall Street?

"so what would make you cooperate with the US government anyway? To allow an investigation of our money in your bank?"

"Well, if tanks roll up the Seine Crossing to take us over. We don't have to comply with the U.S., we have different laws here etc. the only laws Switzerland complies with are securities trading violations then we cooperate with a full investigation"

I mean cmon man :facepalm: is this discussion for real?


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Re: Something we should have IN ADDITION to the minimum wage [Re: imachavel] * 2
    #19345813 - 12/30/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

your envy is showing. Someone making millions a year has no bearing on your life whatsoever. Someone else being wealthy does not infringe on your ability to become wealthy. Your attitude, and the liberal attitude, bears a striking resemblance to a psychotic ex girl friends. "If i can't have him no one can!!!!"


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