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listerine
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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19305645 - 12/20/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some more information. Out of the 3 tubs, the grains in one just look uncolonized. In the other some are colonized some arent, and in the third one, they seem to be bouncing back, going all white, but they don't appear to be colonizing any substrate.... Is any of this relevant information?
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Camtaro420
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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: listerine]
#19305649 - 12/20/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edit: Posted in wrong thread
Edited by Camtaro420 (12/20/13 11:22 PM)
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cronicr



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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: Camtaro420]
#19305673 - 12/20/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fresh manure may be your issue here
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Aero
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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: cronicr]
#19306217 - 12/21/13 03:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
cronicr said: Fresh manure may be your issue here
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blueconfusion
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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: Aero]
#19306458 - 12/21/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah if the grain has recovered it is your fresh manure. If all i can get is fresh i take it out back and hose it down until it's saturated then let it dry in the sun giving it a little turn here and there until it smells "earthy", and the ammonia smell is gone depending on how fresh this can take a week or two.
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blueconfusion
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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: blueconfusion]
#19306469 - 12/21/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm actually doing a straw, hpoo, coffee, ewc, buffalo poo and gypsum tub right now.
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listerine
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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: blueconfusion]
#19310145 - 12/22/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have manure that has aged for longer, but one question.
How would underpasteurized manure turn out? WBS wouldn't colonize it at all?
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cronicr



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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: listerine]
#19310147 - 12/22/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it would colonize it but chances are you will end up with plenty of other shit colonizing as well, edit i thought you said unpasturized lol, too high tonight but underpasturized is basicly the same thing
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Edited by cronicr (12/22/13 12:56 AM)
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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: cronicr]
#19310174 - 12/22/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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An effective pasteurization will eradicate harmful bacteria, nematodes, insects and fungi. In general a compost substrate temperature of 140o F for 1-2 hours is adequate for a complete pasteurization. To insure a complete pasteurization it is suggested to have a minimum of 1 hour crossover time, where both the air and compost substrate at 140o F together. Growers may make several compromises to this recommendation. Unless all the compost substrate surfaces and areas are exposed to this temperature range some destructive organisms may survive causing problems later in the crop.
If the compost substrate never rises much above 140o F there is minimum effect on the good microbes that convert ammonia. However on most commercial farms the compost substrate temperature reaches 140o F before the air temperature will. When this happens the compost substrate temperatures will continue to rise as the air temperature reaches and is held at 140o F. Usually the compost substrate temperature continues to climb into the high 140o F, or sometimes to 160o F and this maximum temperature is sometimes referred to as the "override." High override temperatures may kill or inactivate the good microbes. Sometimes it is necessary to have a high override because the cross over time is lengthen to insure inconsistent compost substrate is properly pasteurized. The compromise with a high override temperature is that it will take longer to convert ammonia to protein after the pasteurization, because more good microbes are killed or inactivated. To illustrate this concept we will consider the earlier example however we start pasteurization with the same number of microbes, e.g., 1 million. If we have a high override (160o F) about 90% of the good microbes are killed and we will have only 100,00 left,
If we have a lower override only 50% of the good microbes may be killed, so 500,000 will survive. Therefore it takes less time for the population to reach the maximum growth phase and the conversion of ammonia and carbohydrates continue at a faster rate. This is not to suggest to use a shorter crossover time to lower the override and reducing the kill during pasteurization to speed up conditioning. The idea is to be prepared to handle the post-pasteurization more carefully after a higher override.
if you don't get that don't worry just know that anything under 140 isn't a true pasturization ...i'm on drugs right now and thats from my journal under microbial activity
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Re: Colonized WBS won't colonize h.manure [Re: cronicr]
#19321360 - 12/24/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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 This is my tub i did 5 days ago about to case with 50/50
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