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Kratom and weed
    #19305166 - 12/20/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've only delved into the world of kratom a few times, over the last 5 days.
First time I had 5g red vein Thai, and I smoked a couple bowls. I compared the feeling to 40-50mg of hydro/oxycodone.
Second time I had 6.5g maeng da, and 3.5g 2 hrs later, so a total of 10g maeng da. I smoked a few bowls that time too, comparing the feeling to 80-100mg of oxy.
Today, I took 6.5g Bali, 1.5 hrs later felt nothing, so I took about 1g red vein Thai, an hr later still felt nothing, took about 1-1.5g ultra red indo.
I took the ultra red about 3.5 hrs ago now, and still nothing.

Is it possible that kratom only "works" for me if I smoke?
Anyone else have experiences like this?


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
    #19305182 - 12/20/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Jesus, I would consider the 10g of maeng da all at once combined with the weed comparable to maybe 30-40mg of oxy...

Maybe try more than 6.5g of kratom?


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19305201 - 12/20/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It takes 40mg before I feel percocet at all, and I guess I'm actually comparing the pain relieving affects more than the high feeling.
I'd agree with you that the high wasn't as strong as 80-100mg of oxy would be.

Maybe that's the problem, but I'm not trying to get fucked up. I'm just looking for pain relief, and a nice relaxing high.


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
    #19305243 - 12/20/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol, you compare kratom to oxy? isn't that pretty damn similar to heroin?


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19305251 - 12/20/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
    #19305252 - 12/20/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It sounds like you have a major tolerance to opiates. Apparently that means a cross tolerance to kratom? Maybe you just need more kratom. Or less opiates...

Or maybe you should look at tramadol. It doesn't really get you as high as real opiates but I've got to say the pain/feeling reduction is one of the most substantial as I've ever felt.


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
    #19305261 - 12/20/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.



ohh, yeah thats exactly what I compare i to. percocet or vicodin


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19305274 - 12/20/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have a ridiculously high natural tolerance to everything it seems. I very rarely take opiates at all actually, its been months.

I've had tramadol. I do like it, but I don't really want pharms if I can avoid it. And I have proven untrustworthy with tramadol...I take way too much.

Rbalzer: yeah, lol I definitely wouldn't compare it to Oxy Contin, or whatever it's called.


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19305355 - 12/20/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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TopPmz said:
Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.



ohh, yeah thats exactly what I compare i to. percocet or vicodin




Hydrocodone and oxycodone are in different leagues. That 'oxy' is the same shit the words after it is just what it's mixed with.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
    #19305373 - 12/20/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well that sucks about the tolerance to everything.
I think you have to take way too much tramadol to get high. Like 1500mg? but at least for me, i cant feel ANYTHING at that dose.

Oxycontin is the same drug as percoset, just time release. It should and does feel quite similar to kratom.

Bummer about the high tolerance...


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19305379 - 12/20/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Kratom compared to oxy?

Really?


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19305397 - 12/20/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I guess. I'm 2 weeks into kratom. Average dose has been 10-15g and it's definitely been similar to oxy. Of coarse I've been smokin to... I'm sure that's played a role.


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19305436 - 12/20/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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rbalzer said:
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TopPmz said:
Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.



ohh, yeah thats exactly what I compare i to. percocet or vicodin




Hydrocodone and oxycodone are in different leagues. That 'oxy' is the same shit the words after it is just what it's mixed with.




Hydrocodone/APAP = vicodin,  oxycodone/APAP = percocet
Surely you aren't arguing this?

Idk how many mgs of tramadol I've taken, but I know its too much.
The tolerance thing does suck, and it applies to everything. When I take the same dose, of whatever substance it may be, as others around me, I'm never on anywhere near the same level as they are.


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19305459 - 12/20/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have to ask because I have never tried kratom, is a half ounce a large amount of marerial? It just seems like it would be hard to get the whole half down.


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
    #19305463 - 12/20/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TopPmz said:
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TheFakeSunRa said:
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rbalzer said:
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TopPmz said:
Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.



ohh, yeah thats exactly what I compare i to. percocet or vicodin




Hydrocodone and oxycodone are in different leagues. That 'oxy' is the same shit the words after it is just what it's mixed with.




Hydrocodone/APAP = vicodin,  oxycodone/APAP = percocet
Surely you aren't arguing this?

Idk how many mgs of tramadol I've taken, but I know its too much.
The tolerance thing does suck, and it applies to everything. When I take the same dose, of whatever substance it may be, as others around me, I'm never on anywhere near the same level as they are.




It looks like he was saying it he same thing...


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: niteman]
    #19305489 - 12/20/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If so, that's not entirely accurate. But he said they're in different leagues too.
If they were the same, that couldn't be the case.


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
    #19305611 - 12/20/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe throw some stem and vein into the mix. Supposed to help with tolerance.

Im sure weed helps brings the effects out.

Also try grapefruit juice and black pepper (piperine).

Id recommend maybe not doing it as frequently if you wanna get desirable effects at relatively low dose. :peace:


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: weshroom]
    #19305613 - 12/20/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what does kratom do? is it any good


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
    #19305619 - 12/20/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It was worded vaguely but I'm pretty sure he is saying either the hydrocodone and oxycodone are different from kratom or that hydrocodone is different from oxycodone which is true. At any rate it would be a common misconception what with trade name and generics and everything anyway.


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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: weshroom]
    #19305639 - 12/20/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's a thought for the future, but I currently only have powdered material.
I will try the grapefruit juice, but would any citrus juice have the same effect?
I was under the impression that using every couple days should keep tolerance low. Have I misunderstood?


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