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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
    #19305240 - 12/20/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm studying music independently. Getting a degree in it is not the greatest course of action for me at least. When all I need is sheet music and a keyboard. Definitely don't have the money for it and the career prospects are slim. That's generally why people consider it worthless. You can't teach someone how to be a great artist or musician it's something that has to be driven by a passion for it. The only thing a "proper" education can give you today is an environment with other like minded individuals that can help motivate you.

I started playing piano when I was 18. I'm 22 now. About half that time I was taking music seriously. I almost exclusively play Chopin and some Liszt. Paganini is great and I like to play transcriptions and variations of his work. I certainly don't play at a professional level yet but I'm getting better every day.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Aedan]
    #19305290 - 12/20/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You can't teach someone how to be a great artist or musician it's something that has to be driven by a passion for it. The only thing a "proper" education can give you today is an environment with other like minded individuals that can help motivate you.




Yes you can. There are different ways to play different eras of music. Baroque, for example, is supposed to be played entirely different from the Romantic era. Things such as how long to hold the pedals for, how much force to use in a staccato of the era, etc. are all things that are taught. And can't be learned from Youtube.

And unless your keyboard has a pressure sensor which accentuates each tone differently depending on how hard you press it, it's nowhere near the same as playing on a piano.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
    #19305314 - 12/20/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I have an 88 key korg with weighted keys that are pressure sensitive. Dynamics in music are on the sheet music. You just have to read it. And you can gather enough from recordings to know how it's supposed to sound.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Aedan]
    #19305389 - 12/20/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know it's not what is taught in classical study but I think it's cool and worthwhile to interpret those things a bit for yourself as well. Music is most enjoyable when you get to be creative


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
    #19305458 - 12/20/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i hope you realize this all depends on where you live

no one in downtown detroit is paying 100$ an hour for music lessons from some lady they found at baskin robbins

these ideas are nice and cute, but IMO unrealistic.


i think all degrees are worthless

im climbing the finance ladder with no degree. seems to be working just fine.



Well of course it's relative to where you live - I don't think many people in Detroit are making $100/hr period.

I find it hard to believe that you could "climb the finance ladder" without any degree.  What is your position right now and how much do you make?  I have several friends in finance/consulting and they would never even look twice at you without a degree.  Most firms only hire 1-2 people out of hundreds of applicants, most of whom are either engineering or commerce graduates at the top of their class.




youre thinking a different finance.

i give loans to people who don't really need them

also: i started 5 months ago with no experience. now im training off and on still doing customer service occasionally for 30 a year.




LOL. Things like loan-sharking, and tax consulting, you don't need a degree for. I've met ghetto kids straight out of rehab that were doing what you do. Try going into hedge funds or stockbroking with no degree.





you know kids straight out of rehab that make 30 grand a year in retail finance?

wow.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Aedan]
    #19306127 - 12/21/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah I have an 88 key korg with weighted keys that are pressure sensitive. Dynamics in music are on the sheet music. You just have to read it. And you can gather enough from recordings to know how it's supposed to sound.




I still don't think it's the same. I doubt your hand posture or fingering is even completely accurate. It's different when you have somebody teaching it to you step by step, and correcting your mistakes along the way, because most people don't even realize when they are making a mistake, even huge ones. You just don't realize the difference because you've never been taught.




k00laid, yes I do, I actually met one from OKCupid that was a heroin addict living in rehab and doing that subprime loan shit.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
    #19307244 - 12/21/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

credit cards. = retail finance.


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