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Kratom and weed
#19305166 - 12/20/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've only delved into the world of kratom a few times, over the last 5 days. First time I had 5g red vein Thai, and I smoked a couple bowls. I compared the feeling to 40-50mg of hydro/oxycodone. Second time I had 6.5g maeng da, and 3.5g 2 hrs later, so a total of 10g maeng da. I smoked a few bowls that time too, comparing the feeling to 80-100mg of oxy. Today, I took 6.5g Bali, 1.5 hrs later felt nothing, so I took about 1g red vein Thai, an hr later still felt nothing, took about 1-1.5g ultra red indo. I took the ultra red about 3.5 hrs ago now, and still nothing.
Is it possible that kratom only "works" for me if I smoke? Anyone else have experiences like this?
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305182 - 12/20/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus, I would consider the 10g of maeng da all at once combined with the weed comparable to maybe 30-40mg of oxy...
Maybe try more than 6.5g of kratom?
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Big_Dave]
#19305201 - 12/20/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It takes 40mg before I feel percocet at all, and I guess I'm actually comparing the pain relieving affects more than the high feeling. I'd agree with you that the high wasn't as strong as 80-100mg of oxy would be.
Maybe that's the problem, but I'm not trying to get fucked up. I'm just looking for pain relief, and a nice relaxing high.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305243 - 12/20/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol, you compare kratom to oxy? isn't that pretty damn similar to heroin?
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Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305252 - 12/20/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It sounds like you have a major tolerance to opiates. Apparently that means a cross tolerance to kratom? Maybe you just need more kratom. Or less opiates...
Or maybe you should look at tramadol. It doesn't really get you as high as real opiates but I've got to say the pain/feeling reduction is one of the most substantial as I've ever felt.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305261 - 12/20/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TopPmz said: Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.
ohh, yeah thats exactly what I compare i to. percocet or vicodin
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Big_Dave]
#19305274 - 12/20/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a ridiculously high natural tolerance to everything it seems. I very rarely take opiates at all actually, its been months.
I've had tramadol. I do like it, but I don't really want pharms if I can avoid it. And I have proven untrustworthy with tramadol...I take way too much.
Rbalzer: yeah, lol I definitely wouldn't compare it to Oxy Contin, or whatever it's called.
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TopPmz said: Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.
ohh, yeah thats exactly what I compare i to. percocet or vicodin
Hydrocodone and oxycodone are in different leagues. That 'oxy' is the same shit the words after it is just what it's mixed with.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305373 - 12/20/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well that sucks about the tolerance to everything. I think you have to take way too much tramadol to get high. Like 1500mg? but at least for me, i cant feel ANYTHING at that dose.
Oxycontin is the same drug as percoset, just time release. It should and does feel quite similar to kratom.
Bummer about the high tolerance...
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Big_Dave]
#19305379 - 12/20/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kratom compared to oxy?
Really?
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I guess. I'm 2 weeks into kratom. Average dose has been 10-15g and it's definitely been similar to oxy. Of coarse I've been smokin to... I'm sure that's played a role.
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TopPmz said: Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.
ohh, yeah thats exactly what I compare i to. percocet or vicodin
Hydrocodone and oxycodone are in different leagues. That 'oxy' is the same shit the words after it is just what it's mixed with.
Hydrocodone/APAP = vicodin, oxycodone/APAP = percocet Surely you aren't arguing this?
Idk how many mgs of tramadol I've taken, but I know its too much. The tolerance thing does suck, and it applies to everything. When I take the same dose, of whatever substance it may be, as others around me, I'm never on anywhere near the same level as they are.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Big_Dave]
#19305459 - 12/20/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have to ask because I have never tried kratom, is a half ounce a large amount of marerial? It just seems like it would be hard to get the whole half down.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305463 - 12/20/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TopPmz said: Not that oxy, I've never even done that. Oxycodone, which is Percocet.
ohh, yeah thats exactly what I compare i to. percocet or vicodin
Hydrocodone and oxycodone are in different leagues. That 'oxy' is the same shit the words after it is just what it's mixed with.
Hydrocodone/APAP = vicodin, oxycodone/APAP = percocet Surely you aren't arguing this?
Idk how many mgs of tramadol I've taken, but I know its too much. The tolerance thing does suck, and it applies to everything. When I take the same dose, of whatever substance it may be, as others around me, I'm never on anywhere near the same level as they are.
It looks like he was saying it he same thing...
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: niteman]
#19305489 - 12/20/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If so, that's not entirely accurate. But he said they're in different leagues too. If they were the same, that couldn't be the case.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305611 - 12/20/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe throw some stem and vein into the mix. Supposed to help with tolerance. Im sure weed helps brings the effects out.
Also try grapefruit juice and black pepper (piperine).
Id recommend maybe not doing it as frequently if you wanna get desirable effects at relatively low dose.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: weshroom]
#19305613 - 12/20/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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what does kratom do? is it any good
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305619 - 12/20/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It was worded vaguely but I'm pretty sure he is saying either the hydrocodone and oxycodone are different from kratom or that hydrocodone is different from oxycodone which is true. At any rate it would be a common misconception what with trade name and generics and everything anyway.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: weshroom]
#19305639 - 12/20/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's a thought for the future, but I currently only have powdered material. I will try the grapefruit juice, but would any citrus juice have the same effect? I was under the impression that using every couple days should keep tolerance low. Have I misunderstood?
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305651 - 12/20/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Look into gettting some stem and vein powder next. There are alot of people that are big on it for keeping tolerance down. Nope not any citrus, grapefruit juice inhibits an enzyme to aid in potentiation.
Every couple days is alright, but i mean obviously the more you space it out the lower your tolerance should be. I usually try not to do it more than once every 2 weeks but I know that is on the extreme end for alot of people. Maybe twice a week would be preferable. Give yourself 2-3 days or so to reset. You've done it 3x in 5 days if I read your post correct. Are you coming off an opiate habit?
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: weshroom]
#19305683 - 12/20/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will definitely look into that. I figured as much, but I'm not fond of grapefruit so I had to ask.
Yeah, that makes sense. I'm mostly using it for pain relief. I'm 22 with a 65 yr old body. I'm always in pain (not debilitating, but quite unpleasant.) I don't take opiates or any other pain killers very often because I don't wanna deal with the withdrawals after I get hooked. Kratom definitely has potential for me, just gotta into a balanced routine.
Thanks for all your help.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305701 - 12/20/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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redosing doesn't always work with kratom, for best effects eat your dose all at once. I can't usually feel anything after 2 doses. Unless, get this, smoke some weed.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Legend]
#19305738 - 12/20/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's good info, thanks Legend. I will do my full dose up front from now on.
Lol, so weed being necessary to "potentiate"(for lack of a better term) the kratom is a fairly common occurrence then?
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305806 - 12/21/13 12:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why the pain if you dont mind me askin?
Also, careful not to overdo it. Ive taken too much and it was pretty damn bad. Constant throwing up into the next day and a gnarly hangover. For me that was from just 8g red vein sumatra, im a small guy though. I find if I eat a couple hours after I dose it helps the kratom settle in and Im less inclined to get sick. Have some ginger on hand incase you do go alittle high.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: weshroom]
#19305818 - 12/21/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah i usually puke if i eat more than half a teaspoon on an empty stomach. Which sucks because i take 1-2tsps usually. So i usually eat about 45 minutes after dosing.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: weshroom]
#19305847 - 12/21/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Both my knees and ankles are just fucked from playing sports and doing dumb shit when I was younger. And my back is messed up because I've had physically demanding jobs where I didn't practice proper lifting techniques and I tried to be superman. Heredity also comes into play.
I did throw up about 5 hrs into the 10g of maeng da, but haven't even had nausea otherwise. What does a tsp equate to in grams?
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Big_Dave]
#19305848 - 12/21/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Big_Dave said: Jesus, I would consider the 10g of maeng da all at once combined with the weed comparable to maybe 30-40mg of oxy...
Maybe try more than 6.5g of kratom?
Fuck, really? I hardly feel anything from 12g's of Super Borneo Red. I dont even get sick or anything, and apparently its supposed to be really good (from this source)
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305852 - 12/21/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TopPmz said: What does a tsp equate to in grams?
I think a tbsp is about 6g so a tsp is about 2g?
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Thanks, that'll be easier than weighing it out every time.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305863 - 12/21/13 12:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lol, if you have a scale then why didnt you just test it out for yourself? You probably should still because different powders can weigh different amounts/take up different volumes.
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Teaspoons vary, but my teaspoons are exactly 3.5 grams.
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Because I'm an American and I want everything, including information, handed to me.
Lol, truth be told I just didn't plan on redosing for a couple days, and hadn't thought of it before Legend mentioned tsps.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305880 - 12/21/13 12:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kratom has serious tolerance IME, also different strains can have virtually no effects on me compared others... I do well with Maeng Da Thai (Red Vein) and Super Green Malay, while others like Bali & Maeng Da Thai (white vein) don't do much for me... But after about 3 consecutive days of any kratom, I get just about zilch from it, and nothing has compared to my first few times using it, even giving myself weeks off... I get more results w/ 9-11g now adays though... Also staggering doesn't work very well for me, just take the max you conceivably want to take all at once and forget about redosing later, too much of a refractory period in my experience.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
#19305888 - 12/21/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't use a spoon other than a measuring spoon like these 
And you level the top off. At least that way everyone's measurements are the same and no just some random spoon of any size they pulled out of their drawer.
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I use to just wash back a couple well rounded tablespoons, but I've became a total sissy about it of late.. I encapsulate, roughly .75g of powdered per capsule and take roughly 12 of em most times.
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Quote:
CosmicJoke said: Kratom has serious tolerance IME, also different strains can have virtually no effects on me compared others... I do well with Maeng Da Thai (Red Vein) and Super Green Malay, while others like Bali & Maeng Da Thai (white vein) don't do much for me... But after about 3 consecutive days of any kratom, I get just about zilch from it, and nothing has compared to my first few times using it, even giving myself weeks off... I get more results w/ 9-11g now adays though... Also staggering doesn't work very well for me, just take the max you conceivably want to take all at once and forget about redosing later, too much of a refractory period in my experience.
The kratom tolerance seems to vary greatly from person to person, baaed on what I've read. For me, it's likely to be as you describe, so I'll either be stocking up, or spacing out my usage more than I'd prefer to. I can deal with that either way. I do see the potential.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
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Just remember it's a very mellow drug, don't chase the high or you'll be disappointed. Just love it for what it is. It's truly as beautiful as cannabis.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Legend]
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The high is just a plus. Like I said, I'm mostly looking for the pain relieving benefits. I'm gonna have to experiment and see what doses at what intervals work for me.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
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please do. It worked awesome for reducing fever, body aches, and fatigue when i had the flu. So it's nice to keep in the medicine cabinet.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: Legend]
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It's awesome that's it has helped you in so many ways. I use cannabis daily because it does help with pain, it makes me easier to be around, it helps me sleep, and I hate to dream. And yeah, I like to get high. I don't want or expect kratom to replace marijuana, but I'm hoping to make it a nice, beneficial addition.
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Re: Kratom and weed [Re: TopPmz]
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TopPmz said: It's awesome that's it has helped you in so many ways. I use cannabis daily because it does help with pain, it makes me easier to be around, it helps me sleep, and I hate to dream. And yeah, I like to get high. I don't want or expect kratom to replace marijuana, but I'm hoping to make it a nice, beneficial addition.
weed might help you get to sleep, but I find that when I take a break from bud, I get deeper, more restful sleep. And dream more (which indicates deeper sleep) and other friends of mine experience the same thing.
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I feel rested, and am productive from the sleep I get. Almost never dream when I smoke before I sleep, but I prefer it that way. When I dream, I dream about absolutely ridiculous shit and my dreams almost always wake me up. When I take breaks from weed, I'm awakened by dreams multiple times a night and am less rested than I m after a night of marijuana aided sleep.
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