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Cactus mutant pictures!
#19304700 - 12/20/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi all.. I wanted o make a thread where people can post pictures from mutations of cactus plants. Crested, variegate, monstrose, all possible.. unique, away from "normal"
I have been always interested of monstrose, crested or someway mutated cactus plants, with own roots ofc. I have some san pedro crest also, I need to take new photo from it when I am back from my trip.. 
I got a chance to upload a picture I have taken 10days ago before I left from home.
Cresting plants, mammillaria, trichocereus etc..

T. pachanoi monstrose cuttings

T. pachanoi crest

Offshoot cut away from crested t. pachanoi above and done new cutting. Rooted in one week after cut.

Common monstrose cactus of cereus peruvianus. Little bit less than one foot tall.

Everyone feel free to post your mutants! I probably post new photos when I'm back home.
Edited by intelligentlife (08/23/14 12:19 PM)
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KBG1977
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Where in the world do you acquire such awesome cacti!!! And no I'm not asking for sources,that was a question of Amazement!
Edited by KBG1977 (12/20/13 11:03 PM)
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intelligentlife
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Re: Cactus mutants! Show your pics :) [Re: KBG1977]
#19305600 - 12/20/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have my sources and limited amount of space with lots of interesting to special type cactus plants, rare ones, want to me a collect some of them.
I'm just actually waiting new crested cactus species I have always wanted.. There is some facinating about mammillaria and it's crests, ofc lots of another plants too.. 
I think I have 2-3 different TBM:s.. Atlest 2 for sure are totally different clones.
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Re: Cactus mutants! Show your pics :) [Re: hookahhead]
#19306121 - 12/21/13 02:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yee..
I would add some more pics, these have been around the forum randomly, I could put 'em there.
Crested pachanoi piece grafted to trichocereus sp. 4 month between photos.
TBM:s (all clones I have. One at picture have one foot long fat penis! )

Cresting monstrose bridgesii plants, own roots.

Mammillaria crested, 15 months between these photos.. Plant with own roots. I don't know specific ID for this. It has almost double the size in that time. Not so slow.. 

This I post because it's a new cactus in my collection! Just love this mammillaria because crest sections are like tentacles growing around! Own roots. Don't know the proper ID for this cactus. Person who give this said it's cresting mammillaria.

I have probably some knowledge what these mammillarias I have can be but more I care about the actual cresting, no matter of species.. I have tried to hunt down a loph crest with own roots.. Would be amazing!!!
I just love mutated plants and waiting new crest cactus in mail.. They are just lovely, obtain a small crest, then grow it bigger.. Growth is so unpredictable what I just love..
Edited by intelligentlife (12/21/13 02:17 AM)
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GoOnThen
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Great thread I have just been sorting photos of some of my freaks for another forum so I will post them here as well. I am like you intelligentlife I like all freaks not just Trichs.
Here are a few trich's Three different Peruvian clones. 1 : Own roots and a graft of the same clone

2 : top view and side view

3 : First two are the top and side view the other three are more grafts of the same clone
  
Pach crest quite rare in Aussie land

I will be back with more later 
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Edited by GoOnThen (12/21/13 04:48 AM)
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Re: Cactus mutants! Show your pics :) [Re: GoOnThen]
#19306600 - 12/21/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice crests... !
I Wish growing seasons starts there soon.. I think I start somewhere at march when I can have good amount of sun again. Then I can see the growth better.
Wish I could have more cresting trichos.. All my pachanoi crests and monstrose are from somewhere south america.. I have heard few of monstrose and crest pachanois are very potent(never tested myself tho) ..I just read one european review where someone was consumed a crested pachanoi and claim it's potent!! NO! I was got mad when I see the review..
But as people we have freedom to do what we want if it doesn't hurt anyone.. 
It was a smarthshop review from crest pachanoi consumed. But, I could never think to do so. They are really not so boring to grow because they're all unique somewway or another.. mostly by appearance.
Anyway, I have no interests to consume such a beautiful plants, not worth of it for sake of losing a beautiful unique specimen.. 
I have so much plants yet to obtain, I just hunt cresting plants.. They have something cool going on.. Also perfect decorational plants for indoors, they basically doesn't need as much light to keep healthy, cresting plants doesn't have much of a chance they collapse cause of etiolation.. Also etiolation happens differently and randomly etiolating and then good light receiving crest can grow very interesting patterns. Will see after next summer what kind of my pachanoi crest are that time. It starts growing faster after I remove the offshoot and rooted it as lonely column what should turn to cresting.. I will update it! 
About the grafted one, I will cut it off when it's bigger and root on it's own, no matter what pattern of growth there comes, I probably let the root stock pup after I remove scion and graft lophophora to scion. I need wait a pup where to graft.. Would be nice to have two-three head tricho and graft lohps to it..
In order to obtain a crested own root loph, I have planned to buy lots of loph seeds, sow them and see what kind of forms there come.
Do anyone know does cresting pass by genetics or not? what lophophora species could have better odds to increase crested seedlings? Is there any info?
anyway, would be probably hard to grow crested one, but I think it just needs hard grown ways to do it, with very poor water or so..
Edited by intelligentlife (12/21/13 06:53 AM)
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intelligentlife said: Nice crests... !
I Wish growing seasons starts there soon.. I think I start somewhere at march when I can have good amount of sun again. Then I can see the growth better.
Wish I could have more cresting trichos.. All my pachanoi crests and monstrose are from somewhere south america.. I have heard few of monstrose and crest pachanois are very potent(never tested myself tho) ..I just read one european review where someone was consumed a crested pachanoi and claim it's potent!! NO! I was got mad when I see the review..
But as people we have freedom to do what we want if it doesn't hurt anyone.. 
It was a smarthshop review from crest pachanoi consumed. But, I could never think to do so. They are really not so boring to grow because they're all unique somewway or another.. mostly by appearance.
Anyway, I have no interests to consume such a beautiful plants, not worth of it for sake of losing a beautiful unique specimen.. 
I have so much plants yet to obtain, I just hunt cresting plants.. They have something cool going on.. Also perfect decorational plants for indoors, they basically doesn't need as much light to keep healthy, cresting plants doesn't have much of a chance they collapse cause of etiolation.. Also etiolation happens differently and randomly etiolating and then good light receiving crest can grow very interesting patterns. Will see after next summer what kind of my pachanoi crest are that time. It starts growing faster after I remove the offshoot and rooted it as lonely column what should turn to cresting.. I will update it! 
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Re: Cactus mutants! Show your pics :) [Re: KBG1977]
#19306693 - 12/21/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry,guess it was just too early for my sense of Humor,or in your case too late
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intelligentlife said: In order to obtain a crested own root loph, I have planned to buy lots of loph seeds, sow them and see what kind of forms there come.
Do anyone know does cresting pass by genetics or not? what lophophora species could have better odds to increase crested seedlings? Is there any info?
anyway, would be probably hard to grow crested one, but I think it just needs hard grown ways to do it, with very poor water or so.. 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17018141#17018141 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18742822#18742822
If I were you I would cross a few generation of 'interesting' clones then you may get a crest from seed. Also consider using mutagens if you want to increase your chance however some may not want to go that route.
Genetics seem to play a big role however you may need to 'induce' the crested growth with damage from sunlight, nutrients, or mechanical.
Sowing a couple thousand seeds doesn't hurt either you may luck out and get a few special lophos... 'cultivators' are also very interesting like kikko and other types of growth which is really rare for lophos unlike astros.
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Re: Cactus mutants! Show your pics :) [Re: modern.shaman]
#19306980 - 12/21/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have one double head peyote, what does double head tells? is there increased chance to use that double headed peyote cactus pollen to produce seeds? Maybe perhaps buy two double head plants and cross them with another..
Peyote is tricky to pollinate because it can take own pollen also but if it's done properly, I can get seed pods with 15-30seeds what is indicator to me there is another plant pollen visit in the fruit. I have get to understanding peyote don't produce much of seeds if flower fertile itself. I remember always when I find a fruit with less than 10 seeds, I consider them possible inbreed variants compared to seedpod with lots of seeds.
Anyway, double head and crested, are they someway the same?
I was just think I probably can try buy a specimen with genetic "faults" and use pollen to another genetic "fault" plant.
Anyone know does this two head peyote caused by genetics or environmental factor?
I think it's pure chance without much of genetic involved or so..
Anyway if two head cactus are basically caused by genetics, could there be increased chance to get probably two head or crest plants when using only these kind of peyotes?
One guy has said to me he doesn't grow crested plants along anothers, he let them die but peyote plants are pure business to him so there's no point to sacrifice thousands of seedlings because of one or two crests, I've heard they usually die to rot and are very prone to water their first year or two.
But if this is happened at nature with lophs also, why I could not have so good luck I find a odd plants along anothers. Also Variegate plants are also interesting.. 
I would not have a problem to buy thousand peyote seeds for relatively with no money at all. Or I can wait one summer and I have hundreds of seeds from my own plants.
I hope next year my jourdaniana lophs flower same time. I want to try make jourdaniana seeds.. I'm almost sure I have some seed grown jourdaniana probably jouraaniana x jourdaniana. One thing what really disturb me is jourdaniana flower are almost identical to one turbinicarpus flower I have seen on this forum, don't remember the turbinicarpus species but I can't make difference about jourdaniana and that one turbinicarpus species..
L. Jourdaniana is also a mystery to me.. probably to everyone.. I have find very interesting facts about jourdaniana and it's success to produce fruit with seeds with pollen of turbinicarpus alonsoi. Anyway I read seeds were never lived after they was introduced to dry environment.
Oh I write lots.. haw haw... But to my point, should I just try with diffusa, fricii, koehresii or williamsii? I know only williamsii doesn't have so wide spectrum of genetics in seeds compared to every other because they need always pollen from another plant. Diffusa, fricii and Koehresii would be maybe okey to start because then I have more genetic different plants.
I don't know maybe it's in my head but I think l. williamsii is not so variable compared to koehresii or diffusa for example. But how about if I use two head peyote pollen to another 2head? Assuming I try to obtain two head peyotes more. If that splitting is not caused by genetics, then I should just try sow lots of seeds.. However, no matter if I don't got any different seedlings, at least I have lots of plants then..
Edited by intelligentlife (12/21/13 09:04 AM)
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intelligentlife said: I have one double head peyote, what does double head tells? is there increased chance to use that double headed peyote cactus pollen to produce seeds? Maybe perhaps buy two double head plants and cross them with another..
Peyote is tricky to pollinate because it can take own pollen also but if it's done properly, I can get seed pods with 15-30seeds what is indicator to me there is another plant pollen visit in the fruit. I have get to understanding peyote don't produce much of seeds if flower fertile itself. I remember always when I find a fruit with less than 10 seeds, I consider them possible inbreed variants compared to seedpod with lots of seeds.
Anyway, double head and crested, are they someway the same?
I was just think I probably can try buy a specimen with genetic "faults" and use pollen to another genetic "fault" plant.
Anyone know does this two head peyote caused by genetics or environmental factor?
I have a few 2 headers, but I haven't purposefully crossed them. In past years I would sow seeds from each of my lophs, with their own labels so I could keep track of their source. One year I saw 2 double headed seedlings, both came from double headed parents, but only 1 out of 40 or 50 seed from each plant.
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intelligentlife said: I hope next year my jourdaniana lophs flower same time. I want to try make jourdaniana seeds.. I'm almost sure I have some seed grown jourdaniana probably jouraaniana x jourdaniana. One thing what really disturb me is jourdaniana flower are almost identical to one turbinicarpus flower I have seen on this forum, don't remember the turbinicarpus species but I can't make difference about jourdaniana and that one turbinicarpus species..
L. Jourdaniana is also a mystery to me.. probably to everyone.. I have find very interesting facts about jourdaniana and it's success to produce fruit with seeds with pollen of turbinicarpus alonsoi. Anyway I read seeds were never lived after they was introduced to dry environment.
I had 2 L. jourdaniana flower this year, and they didn't cross From different nurseries but I couldn't be 100% sure they are not clones from the same original source. I do have a few L. jourdaniana seedlings that are maybe a year or two from flowering, so more attempts will ensue then.
And I got 1 lone seedling from this fruit! 
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L. koehresii FPAN328 × fricii RS404b, variegated seedlings

L. williamsii


TBM

TBM from seed

T. pachanoi

Astrophytum asterias

Copiapoa tenuissima

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KBG1977
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I am in Love
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Re: Cactus mutants! Show your pics :) [Re: KBG1977]
#19307218 - 12/21/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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KBG1977 said: I am in Love

Is that the parent of the seeds you have in the contest? The flower is amazing!! Just noticed it. That entry you have would look cool with that hot pink flower!
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It is a parent for the all yellow one, not the red spined one.
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intelligentlife
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So..
Seems double head, variegate etc will pass on with genetics but like always, these factors just increase the chance to have seedlings with mutations if parents are mutated someway?
I think should I buy one or two double head peyote and start pollinate them all over summer. And sow seeds at fall and see... I don't have much of mutated peyote plants but one double head now.
I try to hunt some double head peyote, But time will tell does it increase the chance of produce double head plants along normal seedlings.
Ofc there is still "risk" I have normal plants but if I track the seedlings etc, I can possible follow the plants with double head parents.
Sounds like a project worth of testing.. Also I could practice some grafts to pereskiopsis and start to use only double head peyote plants as parents and track seedlings forwards. Maybe second generation of seeds would be nice to achieve with grafting. Only offspring from double head peyote plants.
I have heard about variegate cacti propagation and pollination and if parents are both variegate, their offspring chance to be variegate increase. That's information I found from another forum where was talk about astrophytums.
I have only problem the space where to keep cacti or so, but lucky lophs are small and I can pick some double head peyote and start working.. 
Would it be worth of try double head diffusa? decrease the risk of self-fertility. I just need to try find double head plants to parents and start long waiting game. ...diffusa feels to be more harder to get same time two plants flower to success pollination.. I have never reserved cacti pollen, only pollen from cannabis sativa plant. I don't know much how to storage pollen if plants flower different time or something.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/21/13 10:51 AM)
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Yeah man! Give it a go, cross the double with a normal. Then inbreed from there and see what happens?
Punnett square would help. If 2 parents made a double or crest or variegate. I'd keep breeding those parents and selecting the offspring that also have the traits I wanted. I'd then start crossing the kids with the parents. Then breeding the kids with the other kids. Untill I'm cunfused and burn it all in a fit.
I can't wait till my kids are old enough to fornicate 
Awesome stuff everyone! I keep looking at freaks online but never buy any. Though I'm really tempted. I'd like to get some TBM and FUKUROKURYUZINBOKU guess I'm a cactus perv
on that note maybe L. Diffusa cv. Dekapai Suikan would be nice also. Never heard of it till this morning.
Whats with lophs that take on the same characteristics as kikos?
Edited by Corporal Kielbasa (12/22/13 07:37 AM)
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Re: Cactus mutants! Show your pics :) [Re: Couperj]
#19310302 - 12/22/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Geohintonia mexicana
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