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Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ?
    #19304674 - 12/20/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hi guys ! I urgently need an answer to this question! Please help!

Is it safe to take MDMA 3.5 hours after dosing Kratom?

I have been taking kratom throughout the day and really want to take MDMA at 11 pm tonight .

Is this safe to do?

Thank you very much!


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19304689 - 12/20/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't worry about it. Just make sure to take more mdma than usual.

And get ready for a shitty tomorrow? Idk


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19304864 - 12/20/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the answer ! Can anyone else confirm that it's nothing to worry about ?


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19304879 - 12/20/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I can't confirm it with any evidence, but I agree with Dave.
I wouldn't hesitate to do it if I had both.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19304912 - 12/20/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for the answer ! Can anyone else confirm that it's nothing to worry about ?




I asked the same thing but with mushrooms and I was told mitragynine is structurally similar to MAOI's so I wouldn't risk it honestly. MAOI + MDMA = bad stuff


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19304913 - 12/20/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, kratom is a stimulant, depressant, and intoxicant.
MDMA is an euphoric empathogen, stimulant, and phenethylamine.

So.....

Mixing stimulants with depressants is never a smart choice.

If I were you I'd just be patient and wait until tomorrow to take the MDMA.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19304925 - 12/20/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Party poopers:grin:


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19304928 - 12/20/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would say it's relatively safe...
kratom is an opiate
MDMA is an amphetamine

Don't take too much of any of these substances together to be on the safe side. Moderate doses at maximum.

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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19304941 - 12/20/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Damn! I was stupid to take Kratom. I really want to do MDMA tonight. All my friends as my wife will be and dancing all night. Hate to miss out...


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19304946 - 12/20/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19304956 - 12/20/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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kratom is an opiate





False.
Kratom is an opiode, not an opiate.

Opiates are derived from the Opium Poppy.
Kratom isn't derived from the Opium Poppy.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Hobozen]
    #19304964 - 12/20/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

To be honest, it sounds like a really good time. Just make sure you stay hydrated with plenty of beer.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19304978 - 12/20/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How much Kratom did you take earlier Moonshoe?


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19304999 - 12/20/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So.....
Mixing stimulants with depressants is never a smart choice.




:smirk: Not at all true. Don't add to the propeganda :wink:

If you're thinking about the "speedball risk", that is the risk of doing so much depressant/heroin that when the stimulant/coke wears off, you go into respiratory depression. Some drugs do add extra stress on the heart when combined, coke and alcohol for example, but saying "stimulants+depressants = inherently wrong" is just misinformation.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: pcplease]
    #19305006 - 12/20/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was referring to the effects the synergy of Kratom and MDMA would have on Moonshoe's heart.
Mixing a stimulant and depressant confuses the body, which can result in cardiac arrest.

IMO, it's not a smart choice to make.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: pcplease]
    #19305016 - 12/20/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

lifeiswhatyoumake said:
So.....
Mixing stimulants with depressants is never a smart choice.




:smirk: Not at all true. Don't add to the propeganda :wink:

If you're thinking about the "speedball risk", that is the risk of doing so much depressant/heroin that when the stimulant/coke wears off, you go into respiratory depression. Some drugs do add extra stress on the heart when combined, coke and alcohol for example, but saying "stimulants+depressants = inherently wrong" is just misinformation.




Pcplease I always value your opinion , do you think I would be safe?

I took 3 tsp Kratom at 7:15, but had dosed 3 times previously starting in the morning .

Did 5 tsp about 10 am, another 5 at about noon, another 5 at about 4 and finally 3 at 7pm.

I am moderately to mildly high on Kratom right now. The MDMA capsules are a .1.

It's going to be really hard to say no. Would taking one mg of etiz make it safer or less safe?


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19305022 - 12/20/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

SkeletalSpore said:
kratom is an opiate





False.
Kratom is an opiode, not an opiate.

Opiates are derived from the Opium Poppy.
Kratom isn't derived from the Opium Poppy.



thanks for correcting me, I was under the impression that opiates = opioids


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19305038 - 12/20/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19305040 - 12/20/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would be dosing MDMA 4 hours after my last dose of Kratom.  If high blood pressure is the risk would taking an aspirin or an etizolam help?


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19305052 - 12/20/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Erowid says Kratoms duration is 2-4 hours, and I will be dosing MDMA four hours after the Kratom so it should mostly have worn off by then. I'm thinking its probably pretty safe.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19305059 - 12/20/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would take three .1's and not worry about it


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19305070 - 12/20/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have been addicted to kratom, dosing 2-3 times a day, and taking mdma didn't trouble me while dosing even at the same time.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Snotfish]
    #19305085 - 12/20/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So you have actually done the combination and had no problems ?

Ok thanks. I'm starting to feel safe about it.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19305087 - 12/20/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There really isn't much information on the internet about mixing Kratom and MDMA that I can find.


Here's one report:

"So I took 4g of red leaf kratom (normal dose for me) at 8pm. Felt it good, came down a little and took .2 of good molly. Hour later, no dialted pupils and only slight euphoria. So I took about .2. About an hour later I threw up, so my body had enough of something but my brain didn't really feel it.
I've heard they go together well, and esp as a comedown. Just kinda of a warning/story. Enjoy your evening everyone."

http://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/1mkcd8/



Another:

"On page 3 of the Kratom combinations thread SWISnapper (post 55) mentions experiencing "uncomfortable tachycardia" following using Kratom after a heavy dose of methylone (which is quite similar to MDMA)."

"Swim doesnt think that this is a safe combination, as MDMA is telling ones body and heart to speed up, while the kratom is telling ones body to slow down. The strain caused by this can damage ones body and heart and isn't safe to do. It's the same general idea as mixing opiates with MDMA. Swim suggests saving the kratom or opiates for the comedown, as they help greatly and take away that strung out nasty feel swim gets after a long night (or 2 nights) out partying with my good friend MDMA.  Stay safe and have fun!"

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51891



Another:

"Kratom should not be used in conjunction with cocaine, amphetamine, MDMA, methamphetamine, yohimbine, large doses of caffeine or other stimulants. This is due to the risk of increased blood pressure and possibility of over-stimulation."

http://www.trykratom.com/combining-kratom-with-other-drugs


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19305092 - 12/20/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

@LIWYM
Yes, it was obvious that's what you were referring to. What I was saying, is that it's wrong :lol: :shrug: It's a very common misconception, that keeps getting spread even on the Shroomery.

It doesn't confuse the body. What do you think they treat stimulant OD's with?

@moon
While the active in kratom does resemble an MAOI, I've heard of people combining the two more than a few times. You're planning on taking the MDMA with friends, right? I might be a little nervous if I was dosing alone, but fine if I were with company.

Have fun MS :sun:

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If you're nervous at all just keep etiz on hand. It will lower your BP, but take away from the experience. I save them for coming down.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19305108 - 12/20/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah..... I'd still do it. It for sure sounds like a fun time.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19305116 - 12/20/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ohhh the things we do in our youth.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19305121 - 12/20/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Like... have a good time??


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19305131 - 12/20/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Ya, without thinking about the consequences.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: pcplease]
    #19305145 - 12/20/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks all. Even if the combination is potentially risky I would technically be doing it four hours after the Kratom
, which is technically the duration of Kratom according to erowid, so really it won't be a combination at all, as the Kratom should basically have worn off by the time I take the MDMA.

General consensus seems to be that it will be safe. A few people on the shroomery have done the combo without problems even when dosing at the same time.

I will be with friends and I will have etizolam on hand if needed.

I think I am going to go for it. The dose of Kratom (3 tsp) is not that big and it will have been four hours ago. The dose of MDMA (.1) also will not be that big.

I will drink lots of water...


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19305153 - 12/20/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Ya, without thinking about the consequences.




I think actually researching the consequences is a little more important than going off heresay; helps stop the spreading of misinformation :wink:


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19305154 - 12/20/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You know, I barely even feel the Kratom any more. In another hour I will probably almost not feel it at all. I figure if I can't even feel the Kratom it's unlikely to interact significantly with the MDMA.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: pcplease]
    #19305159 - 12/20/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I did.  See my previous post where I listed several reports of people mixing Kratom and MDMA.

And it's "hearsay".

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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #19305161 - 12/20/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you'll be fine
I've had kratom on MDMA, bk-MDMA, meth, MXE and probably a few others that i cant remember


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19305174 - 12/20/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks bro! So you have also tried the combo and been ok ! So a few people here have done it without problems. Most people (about 8/10) seem to be saying it will be fine. And really how long does Kratom last? Because unless it lasts longer than 4 hours it shouldn't even really be a combination.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19305188 - 12/20/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think realistically your concern should be is it safe to assume my MDMA is really MDMA. Kratom is just a bunch of placebo bullshit.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19305190 - 12/20/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

depends on the strain, most last about 4 hours for me green malay tends to last longer. at around 6 hours


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    #19305191 - 12/20/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Kratom is just a bunch of placebo bullshit.



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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19305192 - 12/20/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Kratom is just a bunch of placebo bullshit.





You have had bad Kratom then.
Good Kratom is awesome.

Or you have an opiode tolerance from using harder opiode drugs, hence why the kratom didn't work for you.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #19305195 - 12/20/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: LittleDipster] * 1
    #19305198 - 12/20/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Kratom is the shit. Period.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19305203 - 12/20/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think realistically your concern should be is it safe to assume my MDMA is really MDMA.




This is true, too.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19305218 - 12/20/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Kratom is just a bunch of placebo bullshit.



:rofl2:




:rofldrunk:

At this point the Kratom high is so mild I can't imagine it having any significant interaction.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19305228 - 12/20/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I did.  See my previous post where I listed several reports of people mixing Kratom and MDMA.

And it's "hearsay".





I did. The last link/story contradicts the first- the last indicating potentiation and the first saying it negated all effect. The middle mentioned nothing other than "this is dangerous because stimulants+depressants=bad", which like I said before, is simply not true.

and yes, it is hearsay; my mistake.

Kratom tolerance won't have much crossover with "traditional"/opium-derived opiods. The reason is IIRC actuing predominately on the kappa-opiod receptor, while others work on the delta-opiod and mu-opiod receptors


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: pcplease]
    #19305293 - 12/20/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I hope this isn't taken the wrong way, but I just smoked a fat bowl of budskies and Neptune's Laundry-Mat I am toasted.

:awehigh:


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19305323 - 12/20/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:
I'll join you there :bongload: but I take one-hits/snaps, not bowls. Green hits everytime, and there's something fun about trying to take the biggest toke possible,  trying to hold back from coughing while clearing it.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: pcplease]
    #19305333 - 12/20/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I gotcha.  I used to only take one-hitters back when I had my bong.  That was the way to go.  :bananamusic:
Now I only have a bowl, though.  Bowls are cool. 
Bowls has "Bo__s" in it. 
Boobs has "Bo__s" in it, too.


I've had an Illadelph beaker bottom and an Ehle 500 ml.




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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19305340 - 12/20/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Dude thats a sweet bong. Not overly complicated. I like it


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19305352 - 12/20/13 09:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I really only use my bong (sheldon black) for dabbing anymore, I just hate how much it takes away from the taste of flowers. My steamrollers my go-to, but sometimes I'll use my spoon or sherlock


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: pcplease]
    #19305364 - 12/20/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I just hate how much it takes away from the taste of flowers.



My thoughts exaclty, I like bongs for special occasions with friends, but if I'm just on my own trying to catch a nice little buzz I like to use my bowl. Taste is huge for me, I used to almost always clean my bowl completely after every few bowls


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19305370 - 12/20/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Need to get yourself one of these once you're off papers :grin:


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: pcplease]
    #19305388 - 12/20/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I like man :thumbup:
Doesn't get too harsh if it's milked does it? lol
eh my lungs might not take too long to get used to weed smoke again :tongue2:


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Big_Dave]
    #19305415 - 12/20/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I got it shipped from England.  :kidsmirk:  :kfc:  :gumby:


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19305441 - 12/20/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I like man :thumbup:
Doesn't get too harsh if it's milked does it? lol
eh my lungs might not take too long to get used to weed smoke again :tongue2:



Thanks :highfive:

Yea it does get pretty harsh :tongue2: Really it's the harshest style of pipe IMO. But you're right, I bet it doesn't take too long to adapt again :grin: You may even find you like coughing.

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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: pcplease]
    #19305454 - 12/20/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And I mean, it's just the harshest style of pipe because you can take .2-.3g one-hits as easy as you can a bong, without all the diffusion.

So an average pipe-hit taken out of a steamroller will be less harsh, but it's much more fun for me to milk it and have a coughing fit :lol:


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    #19307842 - 12/21/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well did the MDMA four hours after the Kratom and then Kratom again During the comedown .

Had an amazing night. Spent all night giving foot Tia an boulder runs to beautiful women an men and cuddling everybody after a few hours dancing at the gay bar.

Great time had by all, had an after party at our place.

So empathogenic lovey dovey friendship times.


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19309309 - 12/21/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well did the MDMA four hours after the Kratom and then Kratom again During the comedown .

Had an amazing night. Spent all night giving foot Tia an boulder runs to beautiful women an men and cuddling everybody after a few hours dancing at the gay bar.

Great time had by all, had an after party at our place.

So empathogenic lovey dovey friendship times.




Good to hear!
I'm glad it worked out for you.
What are "foot Tia" and "boulder runs"?


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    #19310976 - 12/22/13 08:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Well did the MDMA four hours after the Kratom and then Kratom again During the comedown .

Had an amazing night. Spent all night giving foot Tia an boulder runs to beautiful women an men and cuddling everybody after a few hours dancing at the gay bar.

Great time had by all, had an after party at our place.

So empathogenic lovey dovey friendship times.




Good to hear!
I'm glad it worked out for you.
What are "foot Tia" and "boulder runs"?




LOL

Foot and shoulder rubs!


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Re: Is it safe to mix Kratom with MDMA ? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19310984 - 12/22/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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probably a few others that i cant remember



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