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Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed
    #19303675 - 12/20/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When I smoke cannabis, I go schizophrenic, without fail, every time. When I take MDMA/speed it is a good experience but a little out of control but the next day I'm pretty psychotic and it takes months to go away.

So I have quit these drugs permanently.

But when I take mushrooms it is a glowing experience with no negative themes, plenty of euphoria, some thought looping but I think that's normal. The 'magic' in magic mushrooms is really apparent to me. The next day has a great afterglow. I don't experience paranoia during the experience at all and there is no exacerbation of my schizophrenia remission.

So are mushrooms really that bad if you have schizophrenia or have had in the past? One thing I've noticed is they are very weakly active at dopamine receptors and dopamine problems are thought to be central to schizophrenia.

A lot of people instantly say, no, mushrooms are hallucinatory and schizophrenia is all about hallucinations, and if you make yourself hallucinate with a chemical compound you're going to trigger schizophrenia. But I wonder if that's true or just a kind of ignorant myth?

Thoughts?


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: circastes]
    #19303686 - 12/20/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I would say ignorant myth. Science knows pretty little IMO, compared to the larger picture.

If it works for you, then awesome man, glad you found a release you can trust. You're not the first person I've heard of, or would meet, that has that reaction to weed.


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19304493 - 12/20/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I would say ignorant myth. Science knows pretty little IMO, compared to the larger picture.

If it works for you, then awesome man, glad you found a release you can trust. You're not the first person I've heard of, or would meet, that has that reaction to weed.




No no no, it is not ignorant myth. The issue with schizophrenics and tripping is not your little visuals and euphoria, it's that predispositions to schizophrenia can be triggered by stress. You're playing with fire when you trip like that. You may have 50 good trips and no issue, then one trip comes around and warps your mind so hard it kick starts the symptoms. The degree that it affects you can vary. I have a friend who's schizophrenic and kick started it from tripping. She took a long time off and went through some treatment. She's back to tripping again without any serious issues so far.... But we'll see how that goes in the long term


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19304519 - 12/20/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Im glad it is working for you, thats awesome!  I would have to agree with Jackson above though.  You are playing with fire.  I work at a hospital and have seen a ton of patients run through that are literally insane.  While this insanity probably wasn't caused entirely by the drugs they played a major part.  I know if I was you I would never be able to have a fun time tripping knowing that it could trigger something in me that I could never come out of. 

Hell, I have convinced myself I was having a psychotic break before on the shrooms and I don't really have any psych issues.  There is always a bit of relief waking up the next morning feeling normal lol.


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: SgtPepperNo9]
    #19304527 - 12/20/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Im glad it is working for you, thats awesome!  I would have to agree with Jackson above though.  You are playing with fire.  I work at a hospital and have seen a ton of patients run through that are literally insane.  While this insanity probably wasn't caused entirely by the drugs they played a major part.  I know if I was you I would never be able to have a fun time tripping knowing that it could trigger something in me that I could never come out of. 

Hell, I have convinced myself I was having a psychotic break before on the shrooms and I don't really have any psych issues.  There is always a bit of relief waking up the next morning feeling normal lol.




Right... I've had trips that made me think I "broke my brain". Had I really done so I'd still be crying right now. It's some fucked up stuff


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19304562 - 12/20/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thats weird you get crazy wth weed too, ive never really met anyone else who has that. For me, weed sent me into a very pyschotic and paranoid state that led to some seriously bad sht. And the ''its harmless'' stigma around it only fueled my naive brain into tricking me that it wasnt the weed, so i would smoke all day every day and literally went nuts. Well that stopped.

And this was one of my main concerns when before my first trip. It had been like 3-4 years since my last toke and my mind is in a much healtheir and stronger state, but i had my apprehensions going in. But it was nothing like that, scary sometimes but the whole thing was so unreal i couldnt help but say to myself ''your tripping sack, chill out'', which everyone who trips needs to remember. Overall it was a very positive experience though and changed my life for the better.

But like jackson said you are kind of playing with fire. A trip can go bad for any little reason if your not prepared, and it can be nightmarish. BUt as long as you have a sound mind sober you should be alright if you pack right for the trip. And by sound i dont mean numb, but in a state of mind where every little thing that bothers you can be looked at and examined, and then overcome objectively and without deep sorrow.

If your having a bad trip just remember, your trippin sack chill out. It will all be over in a bit.


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: blackmilk]
    #19304590 - 12/20/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thats weird you get crazy wth weed too, ive never really met anyone else who has that. For me, weed sent me into a very pyschotic and paranoid state that led to some seriously bad sht. And the ''its harmless'' stigma around it only fueled my naive brain into tricking me that it wasnt the weed, so i would smoke all day every day and literally went nuts. Well that stopped.

And this was one of my main concerns when before my first trip. It had been like 3-4 years since my last toke and my mind is in a much healtheir and stronger state, but i had my apprehensions going in. But it was nothing like that, scary sometimes but the whole thing was so unreal i couldnt help but say to myself ''your tripping sack, chill out'', which everyone who trips needs to remember. Overall it was a very positive experience though and changed my life for the better.

But like jackson said you are kind of playing with fire. A trip can go bad for any little reason if your not prepared, and it can be nightmarish. BUt as long as you have a sound mind sober you should be alright if you pack right for the trip. And by sound i dont mean numb, but in a state of mind where every little thing that bothers you can be looked at and examined, and then overcome objectively and without deep sorrow.

If your having a bad trip just remember, your trippin sack chill out. It will all be over in a bit.




Something else to be said is stay away from high doses. You don't always have the rationality to tell yourself to "chill". And it can happen even when you're "prepared"

So I'm not saying never to trip. Just know what you're risking and take it easy if you wish to minimize that


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19304629 - 12/20/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, and don't do them that often.  Even a normal person starts to feel funky in sober life after shrooming at a high frequency for a few days/weeks.


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: SgtPepperNo9]
    #19305977 - 12/21/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks I was expecting more 'against' than 'for' so that's interesting. I didn't know stress is the primary trigger for it... again, interesting. There was extreme, extreme stress in my cannabis experiences. It was worse than the world ending, it was endless torment, total schizophrenia. :crazy2:

'Good' to see someone else is with me on the cannabis making you totally psychotic, I feel bad putting down cannabis, but holy shit it was bad news for me. I think I was traumatised on top of triggering schizophrenia.


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: circastes]
    #19306674 - 12/21/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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circastes said:
When I smoke cannabis, I go schizophrenic, without fail, every time. When I take MDMA/speed it is a good experience but a little out of control but the next day I'm pretty psychotic and it takes months to go away.

So I have quit these drugs permanently.

But when I take mushrooms it is a glowing experience with no negative themes, plenty of euphoria, some thought looping but I think that's normal.




The first thought that comes to my mind is are you really schizophrenic? Were you diagnosed with it? Because if not, you might just be getting paranoid from the weed. Maybe you can explain to us how you feel when you smoke? If you have been diagnosed then disregard this.

But on the other hand, if you are schizophrenic, you should NOT be fucking tripping! Yeah you had some good experiences but ONE time it's gonna mess you up bro. Like others have said, it just takes one trip and it's a matter of time. I'm telling you bro, don't trip anymore if you've been diagnosed. It's not worth it. I know it sucks to hear but I'm just looking out for your health.


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: circastes]
    #19307167 - 12/21/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Thanks I was expecting more 'against' than 'for' so that's interesting. I didn't know stress is the primary trigger for it... again, interesting. There was extreme, extreme stress in my cannabis experiences. It was worse than the world ending, it was endless torment, total schizophrenia. :crazy2:

'Good' to see someone else is with me on the cannabis making you totally psychotic, I feel bad putting down cannabis, but holy shit it was bad news for me. I think I was traumatised on top of triggering schizophrenia.




Yea man its like so abnormal for that to happen when people smoke weed, i was like ''damn i must be fuked up'' being the only one. Oh well live and learn.

Strangely enough my negative weed highs were far more powerful and long lasting in their emotional effects than any bad trip. And ive had some bad ones too :shrug:


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Re: Mushrooms and adverse effects for schizophrenics/predisposed [Re: Aopocetx]
    #19308163 - 12/21/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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circastes said:
When I smoke cannabis, I go schizophrenic, without fail, every time. When I take MDMA/speed it is a good experience but a little out of control but the next day I'm pretty psychotic and it takes months to go away.

So I have quit these drugs permanently.

But when I take mushrooms it is a glowing experience with no negative themes, plenty of euphoria, some thought looping but I think that's normal.




The first thought that comes to my mind is are you really schizophrenic? Were you diagnosed with it? Because if not, you might just be getting paranoid from the weed. Maybe you can explain to us how you feel when you smoke? If you have been diagnosed then disregard this.

But on the other hand, if you are schizophrenic, you should NOT be fucking tripping! Yeah you had some good experiences but ONE time it's gonna mess you up bro. Like others have said, it just takes one trip and it's a matter of time. I'm telling you bro, don't trip anymore if you've been diagnosed. It's not worth it. I know it sucks to hear but I'm just looking out for your health.



Yeah I have been diagnosed and so have two of my brothers... from cannabis and amphetamine use. Ha. When I put it that way it seems like it would be insane to trip...

I get the idea, for sure. If things don't work out with drugs, and I mean really, really don't work out, it's pretty stupid to try another drug and hope for the best.

My position here is, though, not a hedonistic or naive excitement to just trip, but that I think mushrooms are pretty safe and I'd love to dive into the amazing spiritual aspect of seeing another world before your eyes.

I think you've put a blow in my disposition towards taking mushrooms next season.

I think I should just build up my life and see if that's satisfying and spiritual enough.


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